27.555

[KF4ZTO]

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only ham radio operator who actually enjoys SSB CB radio.

And yeah, as bearcat put it, your ham license isn't your radio police badge. 11 meters is not ham radio. It is 11 meters. You have the same amount of rights (none) to police it that the users of 11 meters have.

 

[Highlander_821]

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only ham radio operator who actually enjoys SSB CB radio.

And yeah, as bearcat put it, your ham license isn't your radio police badge. 11 meters is not ham radio. It is 11 meters. You have the same amount of rights (none) to police it that the users of 11 meters have.

+1.

Thanks.

 

[grogan]

Active on 11 meters for 30+ years also a ham operator. The best thing I found about all my radios is that I can change frequency and Turn them off. And from my observations the problems allways start with (Radio Police) . 90 % of the time a trouble maker can be calmed down by saying nice signal where are you from offer your call sign both 11 meters and ham. Put the gun bage and rule book away. Most people use radios to have fun. I talk to a large group on ch 20 when trouble starts everybody takes a 5 min break for coffee,beer or soda, or bathroom break. then return to a quiet chanel.Yes 27.555 is alive and well. I use ham freq. for for long distance contacts. and stay legal.and yes there are pileups just like 11 meters.

 

[klogd]

Horns raised and tossing more coal on the fire here's my 2c worth. Ah what the hell, CB is wasted spectrum, CBers are idiots, their radios should be confiscated and ground to powder and 11M put to legitimate use where we HAMS could set up CW propagation beacons!

If you knew your FCC regulations, you would know that 27.12MHz (+/- 100khz or so) is a part 18 ISM assignment. Which means unlimited rated power.

Additionally, 11 meters is used world-wide as it is in USA, plus more. Whenever you have propagation to mexico, you can hear 26MHz is usued heavily there. Think your soverignty extends the world over?

11 meters is finding good use, and people are having fun. get over it.

 

[Cruiseomatic]

After reading posts like this and running into what I did this morning with a "operator" because a freq. counter is off, It makes me really not want to become a "ham". Those of you who are law and "rule" reciters must feel that " I studied for an hour and payed $15. Now I can be an ******* and I know every rule there is. I'm perfect." Bull****. People make mistakes. Oh, BTW, I've listened up on your "precious" frequencies. Good god the things I heard. I thought I was on 27.185. Only the idiots had call signs instead of original nicknames. Alot can be done with the power of kindness. Someone causes trouble, Politely ask them to leave or compliment them. Do it all the time and usually works. Wait, No one hears what "hams" do on 27.385 do they? Didn't think so. Just today some moron was sending Morse code and data over a SSB calling frequency. Other people including myself asked them to leave. They didn't. Just kept going. I went down to 27.555 and all I heard was static and station callings. Yeah, Its really a wasteland.... So for all you type that think you're so damn special and perfect, YOU'RE NOT! And Warren, That comment about how every cb rig should be destroyed, Where do you think a majority of amateur operators started? Right there on cb. I know I did and proud of it. you can get a cb rig at any yard sale for 5 bucks, get plans off the internet to build your own antenna and learn how to experiment. If you burn up that $5 radio, So what? It's called learning. Wait, You said all cb rigs should be destroyed. OK, Let me borrow one of your expensive radios and experiment with my first dipole. When the finals fry, I hope they're cheaper than the radio is. Cb's are cheap, easy to figure out and are everywhere. And only run off 12 VDC. Last I checked, amateur radios are expensive and are NOT everywhere. I would rather start on CB and learn the basics (Antenna theory,SWRs, basic operation, Etc...) Than to jump right into amateur radio and look like the biggest LID on the air. When I started in radio, I was on CB and knew NOTHING but thanks to a lot of people who are NOT "hams" I learned alot about radio (not the myths either) and how it works, what I can do to improve it, etc... Its people like what I've read in this thread that turn new people into the hobby away. And you also said "CBers are idiots..." Wow, So just because we didn't take that "magic test" yet, We're the idiots now? So by your logic of thinking, if we are a "CBer" as you say trying to learn radio, We're an idiot. Wow, Ok. So tell me, where did you start in radio or we're you the kind and just went right in and learned alot the hard way or did someone hold your hand? Think before opening your mouth on things like that. Actually, Same applies to a few others also. If you don't like, Oh well. Nothing I will do for you. But I do see where some of these "men" are coming from. and by "men" I mean the ones who have been licensed for years and have the experience, got more than the technician and don't try to act like they're a god send to the radio. Seasoned operators who do know a few things and not just myths or rumors they heard on the local repeater.

 

[KF4ZTO]

If you knew your FCC regulations, you would know that 27.12MHz (+/- 100khz or so) is a part 18 ISM assignment. Which means unlimited rated power.

Additionally, 11 meters is used world-wide as it is in USA, plus more. Whenever you have propagation to mexico, you can hear 26MHz is usued heavily there. Think your soverignty extends the world over?

11 meters is finding good use, and people are having fun. get over it.

Part 18 is 26.957 to 27.263 [Source - Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:]

klogd is entirely correct. The 11 meter band is heavily pirated (and legally used) by delivery services, taxicab companies, etc. A lot of CBers in Europe have issues with Russian taxicab dispatcher QRM, and I've heard plenty of taxis from Mexico and points south in the upper 25 MHz region and all over 26 MHz. They all are on 25.xx5 and 26.xx5 MHz channels so its pretty clear they're using modified CB/export/10-meter gear. Common freqs for taxicabs include 25.685, 25.865, 25.895, 25.975, 26.005, 26.055, 26.145 and many others (all in AM mode). I've heard Mexican accent Spanish language traffic up around 27.865, 27.905, etc, discussing addresses and telephone numbers. Could be taxicabs or a delivery service of some kind. 26.225 USB, 26.555 LSB, 26.575 AM and 26.585 AM are heavily used by Spanish speaking stations as general QSO and chat frequencies. I can't really blame business users for going above or below the "legal 40" (26.965 to 27.405) because they don't have the financial abilities to purchase a UHF repeater and $400 mobiles for each of their taxicabs. It's cheaper and simpler to buy a $130 or $140 export radio, clip a diode of the board, pick a clear channel and use that.

Nearly all "street legal" European CB radios can do 25.615 to 28.305 MHz AM/FM out of the box by selecting the "RU" (Russian) allocation in the radio's menu. Since there are so many different CB bands around, and these radios have all of them programmed in, all somebody who wants a clear frequency needs to do is select a band from a country they're not in. Germans using the UK 27.60125 to 27.99125 allocation, Italian truck drivers on "channel 45" (27.465), etc etc. These radios are dirt cheap and are only getting cheaper. Some of the higher end ones have CTCSS, DCS, advanced scan functions, dual watch, repeater shift, remote control head mounting and many other features that one would expect on an expensive dual band 2m/70cm ham rig or a commercial grade business radio. Do a Google search for "Anytone AT-5555", its becoming extremely popular in Europe and is now available in the Americas under the name "Alpha 10 Max AM-1000". It's a all SMT, CPU controlled, 100% PC programmable 25-30 MHz, all mode radio that seems to be tailored for CBers in Europe, freebanders, Russian taxi companies and everybody in between.

Another thing to remember is that many countries have more liberalized CB allocations, power limits and/or mode restrictions. For example, Brazil's CB allocation is 26.965 to 27.855, Russia's is 26.515 to 27.855, Uraguay's is 26.500 to 27.985, the United Kingdom has two "sets" of CB frequencies, 26.965 to 27.405 and 27.60125 to 27.99125 MHz. Germany has 26.565 to 27.405, Italy has 26.875 to 27.405. A good portion of Eastern European countries have an allocation on the "zeros" (meaning channel 19 is 27.180 instead of 27.185, and some European-spec CB gear has the option of switching between the "fives" and "zeros). In fact, Europe is working on legalizing AM and SSB for what they refer to as the "mid band" (our 40 channel CB allocation). Currently FM is the European norm, with some countries allowing AM and SSB.

New Zealand has 26.330 to 26.770 and 26.965 to 27.405. Both New Zealand and Australia have 27MHz marine frequencies (with heavy usage in the 27.680 to 27.980 MHz range, Japan has a marine ("Double Side Band Fishery Radio Service") allocation from 26.760 to 27.988 MHz with odd freq steps, and a few 0.5 watt AM CB allocations within the marine allocation...

A lot of African countries simply define "CB" as 26 to 28 MHz, all mode, anything goes, etc. It is apparently also heavily used by businesses there.

But long story short, your ham license isn't your radio police badge. I actually find the 26 to 28 MHz range quite interesting to listen to when the band is open. In my experience, 26 to 28 is a lot more active than 28 to 29.7 when the conditions are there. And I know the conditions are there because when that's occurring I'm hearing hospital pagers from Canada on 30.02 MHz and Fort Hood, Texas on 30.45 MHz when 11-meters is screamin' and 10 meters is quiet.

I've heard everything from taxi dispatchers in Mexico CIty on 25.865 AM to Irish church services on 27.605 FM (Google "Community Audio Distribution Service" and "Wireless Public Address Service" - both the UK and Ireland have allowed for religious organizations to broadcast services, etc on 27 MHz frequencies (specifically the "UKFM" or "UK40" frequency set, 27.60125 MHz to 27.99125 MHz in FM mode, 10 kHz channel steps) and a 40 channel block from 27.605 to 27.995 MHz in AM or FM mode.

 

[jhooten]

Some people see this as yet another indicator of the decay of society. Damn what the laws, rules, and regulations say I'm going to do as I please and no one tell me it is wrong.

(and I'm going to use a phrase I detest here)

Just Saying.

 

[Regnar]

Some people see this as yet another indicator of the decay of society. Damn what the laws, rules, and regulations say I'm going to do as I please and no one tell me it is wrong.

(and I'm going to use a phrase I detest here)

Just Saying.

Yep,and alot of hams have the lock on that attitude,just listen to 20 amd 80 meters,very sad.

 

[jhooten]

It shows in every aspect of society. Neither hams nor cbers have a lock on it.
Parking diagonally across three spaces in a crowded lot.
Pissing on the toilet seat when there is an empty urinal nest to it.
Running stop signs on a bike.
throwing your trash and butts on the ground.
And, as of late my personal favorite, violating the burn ban and scorching 34,000+ acres and 1500 other peoples homes.

 

[datainmotion]

Horns raised and tossing more coal on the fire here's my 2c worth. Ah what the hell, CB is wasted spectrum, CBers are idiots, their radios should be confiscated and ground to powder and 11M put to legitimate use where we HAMS could set up CW propagation beacons!

Would you quit it? :roll::lol:

 

[KF4ZTO]

^+1

Interesting reading over this thread again. Both 10m and 11m (and VHF lowband) have been quite active lately.

 

[VE3RADIO]

Everyone on here needs to remember Radio Reference is on the internet and is world wide and that just because something is illegal in one country does not mean it is somewhere else. Often you guys forget about the rest of the world outside your borders.

I guess the short and simple answer to all of this nonsense is.... who cares? If the FCC really cared they would hunt people down.

 

[ka5lqj]

Hi! ;-)

If memory serves me right. 27.555 IS a Federal (U.S.) frequency. However. that frequency is sometimes inhabited with the Alpha United Australian DX Club members (Mud Ducks), but they also work lsb CB channels 37 & 38. Real nice chaps.

There was another "mud ducks" group in the U.S.A. and most of them talked on 27.440 or 27.445 until the F.C.C. coraled a bunch of them, talking their radio gear, antennas, and Class C amplifiers.

I will talk on lower 37 and 38, but NEVER off the C.B. channels and jepordize my ham ticket, LOL!

 

[KF4ZTO]

Everyone on here needs to remember Radio Reference is on the internet and is world wide and that just because something is illegal in one country does not mean it is somewhere else. Often you guys forget about the rest of the world outside your borders.

I guess the short and simple answer to all of this nonsense is.... who cares? If the FCC really cared they would hunt people down.

....
Another thing to remember is that many countries have more liberalized CB allocations, power limits and/or mode restrictions. For example, Brazil's CB allocation is 26.965 to 27.855, Russia's is 26.515 to 27.855, Uraguay's is 26.500 to 27.985, the United Kingdom has two "sets" of CB frequencies, 26.965 to 27.405 and 27.60125 to 27.99125 MHz. Germany has 26.565 to 27.405, Italy has 26.875 to 27.405. A good portion of Eastern European countries have an allocation on the "zeros" (meaning channel 19 is 27.180 instead of 27.185, and some European-spec CB gear has the option of switching between the "fives" and "zeros). In fact, Europe is working on legalizing AM and SSB for what they refer to as the "mid band" (our 40 channel CB allocation). Currently FM is the European norm, with some countries allowing AM and SSB.

New Zealand has 26.330 to 26.770 and 26.965 to 27.405. Both New Zealand and Australia have 27MHz marine frequencies (with heavy usage in the 27.680 to 27.980 MHz range, Japan has a marine ("Double Side Band Fishery Radio Service") allocation from 26.760 to 27.988 MHz with odd freq steps, and a few 0.5 watt AM CB allocations within the marine allocation...

A lot of African countries simply define "CB" as 26 to 28 MHz, all mode, anything goes, etc. It is apparently also heavily used by businesses there.

Exactly. A lot of the Spanish language traffic heard above CB channel 40 and below CB channel 1 is 100% legal in the country it came from.

Everyone on here needs to remember Radio Reference is on the internet and is world wide and that just because something is illegal in one country does not mean it is somewhere else. Often you guys forget about the rest of the world outside your borders.

I guess the short and simple answer to all of this nonsense is.... who cares? If the FCC really cared they would hunt people down.

What's easier for the FCC to do? Fine a large public TV or radio broadcasting conglomorate for a rule violation, or spend the time and money DFing people who outside the legal 40 channels? Nevermind operators running more than legal power on the legal 40 or operating on the "A" channels, 27.370 LSB or 27.400 USB?

Hi! ;-)

If memory serves me right. 27.555 IS a Federal (U.S.) frequency. However. that frequency is sometimes inhabited with the Alpha United Australian DX Club members (Mud Ducks), but they also work lsb CB channels 37 & 38. Real nice chaps.

There was another "mud ducks" group in the U.S.A. and most of them talked on 27.440 or 27.445 until the F.C.C. coraled a bunch of them, talking their radio gear, antennas, and Class C amplifiers.

I will talk on lower 37 and 38, but NEVER off the C.B. channels and jepordize my ham ticket, LOL!

There are still US government signals on the 11-meter band as well. Listen around 27.650, 27.890 and 27.950 next time the band is open. Nearly every time I hear DX traffic on the CB band or on 11 meters in general, there's steady carriers near those frequencies, sometimes with "pips" and sometimes with data signals.

The truth of the matter is, the government and business users with allocations from 27.410-27.995 have other options available to them and have more or less been using those options for a while now.

 

[k8krh]

Always remember as I say
quote
" CB is the unlicensed amateur band for all to use..communicate/dx/have fun/"

Anyhow it is fun..
DOCTOR795

 

[gewecke]

Is this still the International Calling Frequency?

Been a lot of CB skip lately, but haven't heard anything on this channel.

Yep I know it's a dated post,but just to stay on topic;
No, because it's not even in the citizens band, which is WHY you shouldn't hear anyone except perhaps maybe the u.s. military!

73,
n9zas

 

[kb2vxa]

Pardon my giggles, some understand sarcasm, others don't. Then there are those who either overlook my previous posts or haven't (with only 92 post) been around long enough to have seen them. For the benefit of the latter, my interest in radio & electronics came about in the late 50s and I cut my teeth on a CB set when licensed as KMD7606 in June 1965. Learning along the way I passed my ham exam with 100% in 15 minutes in 1995 so there is the source of many laughs, face it, you don't know me and it gets awfully funny when you talk what you don't know.

 

[gewecke]

That's ok warren...I caught and understood your sarcsm!

I too, remember the days of the "cat's whisker".

73,
n9zas

 

[kb2vxa]

Uh huh, a 1N34 was cheating! (;->)

 

[g6urm]

god this has been a discussion point ( well more like a war actually ) since before i became licenced near on 30 years ago

statement : i use amateur radio - i use cb - there are idiots in both camps - but the ones i hate most ?? are those who where on or started on cb and became all self richious when they got their ham ticket

further : as a now disabled person ( whitestick op ) i have found that of late the amateur bands have lost their charm to an extent - but then this is mearly a reflection of society - whilst CB is as friendly as ever - i monitor the bands (both ham and cb ) to pass the time of days filled with pain ( arthritus ) - i get called rarely on ham - i get responses rarely on ham to general calls (cq ) - on cb i get called - on cb - i only have to pick up the mike and not only are there people there to talk to - but offers of assistance if required - i DON'T get them on ham radio

(example ) - i am no longer allowed to drive owing to my eyesight - i have asked for 2 years running if anyone could offer a lift to a local ham rally ( a rally I started 28 years ago incidently ) - not ONE reply or offer - result taxi each way - cost £50 quid - wont be bothering next year

local cb event in planning - lots of offers of a lift to event and even an offer of a trailer to take my mobility scooter so i can get round the site

draw your own conclusions

this is simple folks - if you dont like / think you are too good for CB dont use it but PLEASE dont insult those who do - yes there are people who have shall we say poor operating standards - BUT the same can be said for many hams too ( you lot listened to a contest weekend of late ?? - tune for max smoke and sod the rest - call over dx station - etc etc - this is GOOD operating ?? ) - there are many ops as good as any ham op on 11 meters

so give it a rest - none of us are perfect - and none of us have the right to dictate to others - its a frigging HOBBY people - not a matter of life or death

YOU ALL HAVE AN OPTION - THE OFF SWITCH - OR THE DONT EVEN TURN IT ON SWICH

simples ( IMO as always - which never has counted for much .lol )