AM BCB interference, please explain

hanlonmi06

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Fox hunt, I like that!

So at this point, I have gathered a few "data points" using my truck setup (alinco dx70/tarheel II) as a sort of field strength meter and listening on 3.150mhz. A sort of pro/con of this is that the TH can be made more and/or less resonant and the DX70 does have a preamp of sorts so depending on how that's arranged i can tune out any semblance of detecting the station up to flat out overloading the crap out of the radio. That said, I have driven around the nearby area and monitored to see what i get.

To answer the question of whether I am in the direction of max radiation: absolutely yes. my home location is definitely directly in the path. more on that in a moment...

To answer how much "metal" is around me: "yes". I have a 36' rohn tower with a 20' tall ground plane at the tippy top so, tower/mast/antenna is pushing 60' tall vertical structure. Tower grounds are bonded to the "grounding electrode" of the service entrance, if that detail matters. The property is 2.5 acres with roughly 2 acres fully fenced in with livestock fencing that's pushing over 1000' linear feet of fencing that does pass within 50 of the tower. Also, there is a fabi-cobbled-Frankenstein 'random long wire' that follows said fence line for roughly 700' that does have a coax feed into the house. Traditional timber structure house with asphalt roofing, aluminum gutters, so yea, there's a lotta "metal" structures to isolate and work through from that perspective.

As for the 4wheel drive field strength meter: imagine the AM transmitter site as the origin at the center point. on a straight line in the direction of max radiation, at 3.7 miles from the transmitter I was able to detect the station on 3.150mhz. On that same line, at 2.7 miles from the transmitter is my home location.

I have been able to detect the station on 3.150mhz in a few other spots around my home location that, for simplicity sake, i would say are all in line with the stations max radiation direction. When i am 'off axis' from that it seems that i cannot detect anything. When passing just shy of a mile directly perpendicular to the transmitter site i did not detect anything.

My assertion at this point is that I can probably predict locations around my area that ill likely pick up an image in the directed beam path. As for my location at home, i really do think that i have a re-radiating phenomena happening as to why when i pull up to the house the station comes right up on the image frequency 3.150. The weather is breaking, so first order of business at home is to do some inspections on the grounding system and make sure from a safety standpoint there's no glaring issues. and from there, try to make some kinda attack plan to ground/isolate things and see if hit the lotto on a perfectly resonate incidental radiator.
 

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I wonder if the propagation pattern of that AM station is affected by your Rohn tower in some small way? That would be interesting if it did!
 

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The third harmonic is usually the strongest. If you're ever transmitting on 40M, try listening to your signal on 15M. Of course it's legal to have some harmonics.
 

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I think you are on the right track
It probably would be a pain, but removing antennas/tower one at a time might be helpful AND that 700 ft longwire would be my 1st pick to go.
 

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I think you are on the right track
It probably would be a pain, but removing antennas/tower one at a time might be helpful AND that 700 ft longwire would be my 1st pick to go.

I had to give you a 'like' because I agree, but it was painful. But that longwire really is the place to start. Perhaps converting it to a loop or helical loop might help. I'd hate to lose a good antenna if I could avoid it.
 

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Well I meant for it to be take it diwn to see if problem goes away..
if thats not it, put it back up
BUT likely they will all have to come down to see for sure.
 

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I apologize for sort of letting this die on the vine a little bit, but I do have an update.

When assembling the antenna support structures I had the crazy idea of trying to prevent galvanic corrosion where I had attached ground wires to tower legs. I got a hold of the thinnest stainless shim stock I could find and wrapped that around the leg, under the ground clamp.

The main tower legs seemed to actually show no evidence really of any sort of corrosion, but I removed the shim stock and reattached the clamps, sort of hastily making sure some paint was scrapped and some "good" contact was made. I did the same on another "mini tower" support structure about 20ft away and did find a whole lot of rust under the shim stock. Same thing there, made a quick pass at scratching the paint when reattaching the ground clamps.

I did a quick tune on the frequencies that I was hearing the AM station on and there was noticeable positive differences, ie, barely audible or just not there on a few. When I did my usual commute home today, I had 3150khz tuned up on the truck. I caught a few barks of some broadcast audio as i got closer to home, essentially driving through the transmitter beam path, which i had experienced before. When i pulled up the driveway, there was no noticeable dramatic increase of the signal as i got closer to the house. That seemed to be the bizarre phenomenon that led to the idea of somehow something rebroadcasting the harmonic right any my property.

I intend to take this many steps further in inspecting the grounding of everything and checking the spots where i had high levels of interference. After staring at all the dang metal i put up in the air i got to wondering if somehow the largest structure itself was the culprit and the grounds were the quickest easiest thing to inspect/try. I may also experiment with disconnecting that long wire antenna as i go along seeing what improvements there are to be made. this was all kind of done in haste, not expecting much of anything, and done in the last 24 hours between some pretty nasty storm cells, so when its safe and not 90 plus degrees out, we'll dig a little further!
 
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I think this is good news you are reporting.
 
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