Angeles National Forest

[Mick]

164.9375 103.5, Forest Admin channel for Angeles NF, is also a repeater, the input is 170.075 Hz. I don't hear a stuck open repeater at this time though (0008 hours Friday).

That should be a simplex frequency. I haven't noticed any problem with F3 in our area.

 

[RobertW1]

Guys, is there some sort of problem with a stuck transmitter on one of the Admin Channel rptrs (164.9375)? For the last couple of weeks I've heard just a dead carrier on that freq for minutes at a time.

thanks,
Rob

What repeater do you believe you are listening to? As I said, if it's Frost Peak, that repeater has been having issues for sometime. You can usually hit the repeater and get carrier, but Angeles can't hear you or visa-versa even when it's "line of sight". Most everyone in Area 12 of the SCMRRD has been using tone 5, Alpine Butte, instead. Unfortunately if you're down in Camp Lupine or Cabin Flat, you can't hit Alpine Butte and you take your chances with Tone 4, Frost Peak on Blue Ridge.

Rumor has it that the Alpine Butte Repeater is going to eventually be moved to Table Mountain. I don't know if there is anything to that rumor or not.

 

[SCPD]

How do you post pictures to a post. I tried the manage attachments button at the bottom, but it keeps giving me a text URL instead of a picture. Why is everything so difficult on a computer?

I would like to share a picture or two from our snow pack up here.

 

[jbaker6953]

OK guys, I got my hands on a recreation crew member's radio today. Here's the the deal. They use group #15 exclusively, and it was programmed as follows (Tx redacted):

 #   LABEL       Rx       CTSS  
--------------------------------
 1  ANF F1    172.3750   103.5PL
 2  ANF F2    172.3750   103.5PL
 3  ANF F3    164.9375   103.5PL
 4  ANF F4    164.9375   103.5PL
 5  TAC 1     168.0500   000.0PL
 6  TAC 2     168.2000   000.0PL
 7  TAC 3     168.6000   000.0PL
 8  F5 A/GRN  170.0000   000.0PL
 9  BDF F2    171.4750   103.5PL
10  CNF F2    168.7500   103.5PL
11  LAC T19   154.4000   000.0PL
12  LAC T21   154.0700   151.4PL
13  OES W1    154.2800   000.0PL
14  MT BALDY  154.1900   000.0PL
15  REC SEV   163.7125   000.0PL
16  CALCORD   156.0750   000.0PL

 

[RobertW1]

How do you post pictures to a post. I tried the manage attachments button at the bottom, but it keeps giving me a text URL instead of a picture. Why is everything so difficult on a computer?

I would like to share a picture or two from our snow pack up here.

You use the [img[ [/img[ (Second braket should be ]) and put the "link" to the picture on the internet between the two commands. For my post I used the following command line, again inverting the second bracket:

[img[http://pages.prodigy.net/robertmorgan/Storm.jpg[/img[

 

[RobertW1]

OK guys, I got my hands on a recreation crew member's radio today. Here's the the deal. They use group #15 exclusively, and it was programmed as follows (Tx redacted):

Do both the LARRD and SGRRD use Group #15?

 

[SCPD]

I have a SC/MR RD radio in front of me right now that I'm analyzing. Groups 1 - 18 appear to be locked with all but one of those having tone 8 (103.5) locked in. I can't figure out how to unlock these groups so I can't tell if the frequencies are narrow band or not (presumably all the federal frequencies are narrow band in the programmed) or whether digital or not (I assume they are all analog). The radio I have is from a recreation unit and Group 25 is the one that was being used.

Even though the first 18 groups appear to be locked, I'm figuring the program out using a good old fashioned frequency counter. I can't verify the receive unless I program up my old Bendix/King and transmit, which is not worth it on most frequencies. I will verify a few receive frequencies as some are not familiar to me.I'm also not picking up any group names as the radio is just programmed "GRP 1" and so forth.

I'm not going to list the contents of every group. Doing so would take a great deal of time and most of the frequencies are listed elsewhere and can be figured out easily. I will, over time, list the alphanumerics of each group. That should be sufficient except for some of the tac frequencies of L.A. County and the foothill city fire departments.

When I get this radio figured out I will post the program information on this forum.

RobertW1, I will try posting a link from Photobucket or Image Shack inside the image brackets. I did upload my images to to the Radio Reference image cache but it doesn't seem to work. Maybe something from Photobucket will work. My wife and I have an existing account.

 

[SCPD]

I am at Group 15 in the radio and have been able to begin accessing the programs starting at Group 14, using six zeros as the ID code.

More later. This is taking all day!

 

[SCPD]

I've worked on this radio all day. The going was slow because of having to transmit on many channels and reading the frequency using the counter.

I won't be posting the information for another day or so.

 

[RobertW1]

OK guys, I got my hands on a recreation crew member's radio today. Here's the the deal. They use group #15 exclusively, and it was programmed as follows (Tx redacted):

 #   LABEL       Rx       CTSS  
--------------------------------
 1  ANF F1    172.3750   103.5PL
 2  ANF F2    172.3750   103.5PL
 3  ANF F3    164.9375   103.5PL
 4  ANF F4    164.9375   103.5PL
 5  TAC 1     168.0500   000.0PL
 6  TAC 2     168.2000   000.0PL
 7  TAC 3     168.6000   000.0PL
 8  F5 A/GRN  170.0000   000.0PL
 9  BDF F2    171.4750   103.5PL
10  CNF F2    168.7500   103.5PL
11  LAC T19   154.4000   000.0PL
12  LAC T21   154.0700   151.4PL
13  OES W1    154.2800   000.0PL
14  MT BALDY  154.1900   000.0PL
15  REC SEV   163.7125   000.0PL
16  CALCORD   156.0750   000.0PL

I just turned in my old BK HT and was assigned a brand new Radio this weekend. Apparently it is not completely programmed, as several channels are "DISABLED" but it does have San Bernardino County Fire COUNTY-1, the agency that responds for our area (Wrightwood Station 101), the High Country near Big Pines. The Radio says Group 25 when turned on. Here are the frequencies:

 #   LABEL       Rx         
------------------------
 1  ANF F1    172.3750   
 2  ANF F2    172.3750   
 3  ANF F3    164.9375   
 4  ANF F4    164.9375   
 5  TAC 1     168.0500   
 6  TAC 2     168.2000   
 7  TAC 3     168.6000   
 8  F5 A/GRN  170.0000  
 9  168.2000
10  151.1450
11  DISABLED
12  DISABLED
13  DISABLED
14  DISABLED
15  R5 PROJ  
16  WX        162.5500

I've shown what channels 9 - 16 are labeled. I assume channels 9 and 10 transmits on the frequencies as labeled. So "jbaker6953" do you know how to manually program the BK RADIO?

 

[SCPD]

I have not had time to post what I found in the Angeles handheld I examined more than a month ago. I will try to get on that, but have been busy programming a PSR-600. Did you know that you can program approximately 36,840 objects (conventional frequencies, trunked systems, and talkgroups) in this radio? I'm just working on my fourth file and have 18 of the 20 planned out.

Anyway, Robert, what you show for Group 25 matches my observation exactly. Groups 14 and 25 can be accessed with the 6 zero id code. Groups 15-24 are all identical and can also be accessed the same way. These groups programs are:

1 ANF F1
2 ANF F2
3 ANF F3
4 ANF F4
5 NIFC Tac 1
6 NIFC Tac 2
7 NIFC Tac 3
8 R5 Air to Ground
9 Disabled
10 Disabled
11 Disabled
12 Disabled
13 Disabled
14 Disabled
15 R5 Project 168.650
16 Wx 162.550

Note that the Angeles has the R5 project net or work channel incorrectly programmed. 168.650 has been the "National Flight Following" frequency for 8-10 years now. The correct frequency should be 164.150. Someone should bring this to the attention of the radio techs on the Angeles. The Flight Following assignment can be looked up in the Forest Service handbook and in the R5 Mobilization Guide. Radio tech performance has really taken a huge dive after the Forest Service was forced to outsource the work privately, even though the economic study done on it found that government employees were doing a superior job for less money. What happened was another case of blind ideology driving decisions, not matter what the facts were.

Anyway, I will try to cover a couple of the Groups in the 1-14 range before I quit tonight.

Group 1 (Group is locked from programming)

1 ANF F1
2 ANF F2
3 ANF F3
4 ANF F4
5 NIFC Tac 1
6 NIFC Tac 2
7 NIFC Tac 3
8 FS Air to Ground
9 BDF F2 171.475 Repeater Net
10 CNF FD 168.750 Repeater Net
11 LAC Tac 19 154.400 Simplex
12 LAC Tac 21 154.070 Simplex
13 OES White 1 154.280 Simplex
14 Mt. Baldy 154.190 Simplex
15 154.325 Red Net Simplex
16 CALCORD 156.075 Simplex

Group 2 (Locked out from programming)

1 ANF F1
2 ANF F2
3 ANF F3
4 ANF F4
5 NIFC Tac 1
6 NIFC Tac 2
7 NIFC Tac 3
8 FS Air to Ground
9 BDF F2 171.475 Repeater Net
10 CNF F2 168.750 Repeater Net
11 LPF F2 170.550 Repeater Net
12 LAC Tac 18 154.340 Simplex
13 LAC Tac 19 154.400 Simplex
14 LAC Tac 21 154.070 Simplex
15 Verdugo 154.370 Simplex
16 MRA S & R 155.160 Simplex

Group 3 (Locked out from programming)

1 ANF F1
2 ANF F2
3 ANF F3
4 ANF F4
5 NIFC Tac 1
6 NIFC Tac 2
7 NIFC Tac 3
8 FS Air to Ground
9 BDF F2 171.475 Repeater Net
10 CNF F2 168.750 Repeater Net
11 LPF F2 170.550 Repeater Net
12 LAC Tac 17 154.430 Simplex
13 LAC Tac 18 154.340 Simplex
14 LAC Tac 19 154.400 Simplex
15 LAC Tac 21 154.070 Simplex
16 BDC 151.475 Simplex

That's all for tonight. My "PBS Tuesday" TV watching comes up in 3 minutes so I have to go. I will try to complete Groups 4-14 tomorrow.

 

[RobertW1]

Anyway, Robert, what you show for Group 25 matches my observation exactly. Groups 14 and 25 can be accessed with the 6 zero id code. Groups 15-24 are all identical and can also be accessed the same way.

Can you explain exactly what you mean by that? Are you saying that ALL groups are programmed into each radio and they can be "accessed"?

Last month I worked with the District Ranger of the "Front Country" District of the San Bernardino National Forest, Gabe Garcia. We were working together with the USFS and the CDFG in counting and classifying Big Horn Sheep in the South Fork of Lytle Creek. I didn't bother taking my "ANF Radio" since I can't hit any repeaters from inside that canyon. He, however had his "San Bernardino National Forest Radio" as he could easily hit the Keller Peak repeater even from deep inside the canyon. Would I have been able to switch groups on my radio and then access the BDF frequencies, say Group 3, Channel 9?

Exsmokey, I appreciate all the work you are putting into the groups. Thanks!

 

[SCPD]

When I say the program can be accessed, I mean that you can use a programing switch on the Bendix King radio to enter the programming process on it. You hold down the programing switch and the "FCN" button on the radios keyboard at the same time. The radio will then show "id code" or some such along with six underlines on the screen. You then enter six zeros and hit enter. You are now in the programming process of whatever Group you have the radio in.

Groups 1-13 cannot be accessed in this way, they are locked out. Entering the programming process for these Groups must require a different six digit code, or they have been locked out of field programming entirely, and a computer must be used to program them. I also noticed that I could not change the tone in these groups either so I don't know how one is supposed to change the selected repeater when using these groups. The radio is locked onto transmitting Tone 8 (103.5) in all the groups with the exception of Group 2 which is locked on Tone 3 (131.8). There must be a way to change the tone or all the repeater channels would be almost useless, but I don't know how.

For you, in the situation you mentioned, go to Group 14, channel 9, and select Tone 4 (136.5). That will put you on BDF Channel 2 (San Bernardino NF Forest Net) and Tone 4 is Keller Peak. I haven't listed Group 14 yet, but will do so soon.

It is interesting that Groups 1-13 are locked out from programming and from tone select as these are the groups that have the Forest, Park, and BLM nets from all over California in them and if the tone cannot be selected then the repeater channels for each net are essentially useless. The radio I looked at was a Santa Clara/Mojave Rivers recreation radio and maybe the first 13 Groups are locked because it is a recreation radio and the fire radios work differently. That is a guess, but if so, why would they bother to include those groups on a recreation radios anyway? Also, the thinking behind having so many groups was to have standardized radio programs for all functions to eliminate confusion over what channel to select while out on an incident. In this way the dispatcher could announce "Command will be Forest Net, Tone 3 Group 1 channel 2 tone 3 and Tactical will be L.A. County Tac 21, Group 1 channel 12, no tone" to responding and on scene units.

You seem to be a victim of a trend I have seen before, and that is holding a very useful radio in your hand, with all sorts of great features, and not knowing how to use it. Radio techs often don't like to write radio manuals or give out a lot of information on how to use the radio. This is not a good thing to do as any employee may find themselves in a situation where they could not communicate during an emergency but could have if they knew which group to use and what tone to use on different channels in that group.

With the Angeles programming their radios using the incorrect frequency for the R5 work channel or project net I don't hold much hope for them being able to tell the user how to operate the radio. The Angeles is one of the most unique forests in the entire National Forest system and should be highly respected and get a lot of support from the Region and the Washington office. It is one of the most highly visible National Forests in the country. Unfortunately I see the opposite being the case, where the Angeles and the other 3 southern California Forests being treated like the bastard children of the system.

 

[RobertW1]

When I say the program can be accessed, I mean that you can use a programing switch on the Bendix King radio to enter the programming process on it. You hold down the programing switch and the "FCN" button on the radios keyboard at the same time. The radio will then show "id code" or some such along with six underlines on the screen. You then enter six zeros and hit enter. You are now in the programming process of whatever Group you have the radio in.

How do you switch "groups" on the radio?

You seem to be a victim of a trend I have seen before, and that is holding a very useful radio in your hand, with all sorts of great features, and not knowing how to use it. Radio techs often don't like to write radio manuals or give out a lot of information on how to use the radio.

Of course I am just a Volunteer. I'm amazed and thankful I've been assigned my own radio. Our radio training consisted of the Captain of ANF-39 showing us how to change channels, information about which repeaters to use for our area and how to change repeater tones and verbage used to contact "Angeles". Of course most of us in our Volunteer Group are HAM radio operators and are very familiar with communications. What we learned has sufficed for what we need when out patrolling. But being a HAM I always like to know everything about a radio and its capibilities.

Whenever on Patrol I always have my HAM radio in the rig programmed to the various repeaters in the area just in case. One of our Volunteers out of Wrightwood actually monitors the Table Mountain Repeater so we can get a hold of him via HAM anytime we are out on patrol for the USFS.

The Angeles is one of the most unique forests in the entire National Forest system and should be highly respected and get a lot of support from the Region and the Washington office. It is one of the most highly visible National Forests in the country. Unfortunately I see the opposite being the case, where the Angeles and the other 3 southern California Forests being treated like the bastard children of the system.

This is very true. That, along with the pay not compensating for the cost of living and housing in the Los Angeles area is one reason we lose a lot of District Rangers and other personnel to other forests across the country. Our last District Ranger for the SCMRRD moved to New Mexico and our last Big Pines FPO moved to Idaho.

Again, thanks for all the information you are providing on the workings of the USFS BK Radios. I look forward to you posting the rest of the Group information.

 

[RobertW1]

How do you switch "groups" on the radio?

Figured out how to change groups on the radio. Still haven't figured out what the "programming switch" is.

 

[kma371]

Hey guys, I just noticed this thread and when you figure out a good listing that should go in the database (other than whats there of course) let me know by PM and I will update the DB.

 

[SCPD]

Figured out how to change groups on the radio. Still haven't figured out what the "programming switch" is.

You can change groups with fewer key pushes by entering a group number in the first 3-5 seconds of turning on the radio.

The programming switch is not included with every radio. It is an optional device that plugs into the jacks on the left side near the top. These jacks are normally used for a external microphone. Forest Service national policy states that anyone who programs a radio must have written authorization from a Forest Supervisor to do such. Engine captains, hot shot crew superintendents, helitack superintendents, and patrols are usually the people with such authorizations. You, no doubt, do not have a programming switch on your radio and I'm sorry I confused you by mentioning it. There had been some discussion about getting into the programming process on a BK handheld, either in this thread or another, so I continued with that logic, but it doesn't seem to apply to your situation and you can disregard.

Here are a few more groups:

By the way, I'm only listing frequencies when a channel varies from the normal first 6 or 8 channels of every Angeles NF group. The NIFC command and tactical frequencies are well known enough, and are posted on the Radio Reference Wiki site, so I don't post them either. I only list the frequency for other agencies or other National Forests.

Group 4 (programming and tone select locked on Tone 8)

1 ANF F2
2 ANF F4
3 NIFC Tac 1
4 NIFC Tac 2
5 NIFC Tac 3
6 R5 Air to Ground
7 LAC Tac 17 154.430
8 LAC Tac 18 154.340
9 LAC Tac 19 154.400
10 LAC Tac 21 154.070
11 LAC Tac 22 159.090
12 LAC Tac 23 154.415
13 LAC Tac 24 158.970
14 OES White 1 154.280
15 OES White 2 154.265
16 OES White 3 154.295

Group 5 (programming and tone select locked on Tone 8)

1 NIFC Command 1 Direct
2 NIFC Command 1 Repeat
3 NIFC Command 2 Direct
4 NIFC Command 2 Repeat
5 NIFC Command 3 Direct
6 NIFC Command 3 Repeat
7 NIFC Tac 1
8 NIFC Tac 2
9 NIFC Tac 3
10 NIFC Tac 4
11 R5 Tac 4 173.9125
12 R5 Tac 5 173.9625
13 R5 Tac 5 173.9875
14 R5 Air to Ground
15 disabled
16 disabled

Group 6 (programming and tone select locked on Tone 8)

1 NIFC Command 4 Direct
2 NIFC Command 4 Repeat
3 NIFC Command 5 Direct
4 NIFC Command 5 Repeat
5 NIFC Command 6 Direct
6 NIFC Command 6 Repeat
7 NIFC Command 7 Direct
8 NIFC Command 7 Repeat
9 NIFC Tac 1
10 NIFC Tac 2
11 NIFC Tac 3
12 R5 Tac 4
13 R5 Tac 5
14 R5 Tac 6
15 R5 Air to Ground
16 disabled

Group 7 (programming and tone select locked on Tone 8)

1 ANF F2
2 ANF F4
3 NIFC Tac 2
4 OES White 1
5 OES White 2
6 OES White 3
7 R5 Air to Ground
8 SMDR Tac 154.235
9 MO Tac 154.385
10 LVN 169.775 This is the frequency for the northern portion of the Ely BLM District and for the Carson City BLM District and must be an error!
11 Verdugo 154.370
12 Mt Baldy 154.190
13 Verdugo Command 155.295
14 SMDR DSP 158.955
15 ARC Tac 153.890
16 BDC 151.475

Note: in the above group I could not immediately decipher all the abbreviations shown so I just typed them as they appeared on the radio's screen.

Group 8 (programming and tone select locked to Tone 8)

1 ANF F2
2 ANF F4
3 CDF Command 1 Direct
4 CDF Command 1 Repeat
5 CDF Command 1, alphanumerics incorrect in radio, as this actually transmits 151.265 or Command 2 Direct
6 CDF Command 2 Repeat
7 Riverside Unit West Direct 151.385
8 Riverside Unit West Repeat
9 San Bernardino Unit West Direct 151.445
10 San Bernardino Unit West Repeat
11 Monte Vista Unit Direct 151.190
12 Monte Vista Unit Repeat
13 Ventura 154.010
14 CDF Air to Ground 151.220
15 R5 Project 168.650 - error in programing, this should be 164.150
16 Wx assume 162.550

Note: yes, the alphanumerics in the radio still say "CDF" and not "CF or Cal Fire."

Group 9 (programming and tone select locked on Tone 8)

1 ANF F2
2 ANF F4
3 BLM Tac 1 169.725 (note: my current listing shows NIFC Tac 5 as 166.725)
4 BLM Tac 2 166.775 (note: currently is NIFC Tac 6)
5 BLM Tac 3 168.250 (note: currently is NIFC Tac 7)
6 BLM Command 1 Direct 168.400/168.400
7 BLM Command 1 Repeat 168.400/166.6125 (note: my current listing shows NIFC Command 4 as 166.6125 direct and 166.6125/168.400 repeat. It would seem that the Angeles or I have this reversed.)
***EDIT*** This is reverse of what it shows in Group 6, channels 1 and 2 so I will assume the reversal here in Group 9 is in error - the Angeles, not mine.***EDIT***
8 BLM Command 2 Direct 167.100/167.100 (note: my current listing shows NIFC Command 5 Direct)
9 BLM Command 2 Repeat 167.100/169.750 (note my current listing shows NIFC Command 5 Repeat)
10 BLM Riverside Ukiah 166.375/166.975
11 BLM Susanville 166.4875/167.075
12 BLM Las Vegas ? /166.400 (note: I currently show the BLM Las Vegas Field Office as 169.400/168.525 and can't match the 166.400 with any output. Since I could not see what was programmed into the receive channels on this radio I can only assume the output based on an input. This works for almost everything but when I don't recognize the input I can't assume the output. It might actually be simplex and programmed in error to 166.400 instead of the correct 169.400)
13 BLM Carson City 169.775/169.775
14 BLM Bakersfield 168.675/170.575 (note: this is Sequoia NF channel 2 or that Forest's Emergency Net. The Sequoia's dispatch center in Porterville dispatches for the BLM in central California
15 R5 Project 168.650 (error discussed before)
16 Wx Assume 162.550 Rx only

Group 10 (programming and tone select locked on Tone 8)

1 ANF F2
2 ANF F4
3 BDF F2
4 CNF F2
5 NIFC Tac 1
6 NIFC Tac 2
7 NIFC Tac 3
8 R5 Air to Ground
9 Joshua Tree National Park Direct 171.675
10 Santa Monica Mountains National Recreation Area Direct 172.525
11 Santa Monica Mountains National Recreation Area Repeat 172.525/171.500
12 Sequoia Kings Canyon National Parks Frontcounty Direct 164.250
13 Yosemite National Park Fire Net Direct 172.775
14 Whiskeytown National Recreation Area Direct 165.3125
15 R5 Project Net 168.650 (note: same error though out)
16 Wx assume 162.550 as shown throughout.

That's all for now, I'm tired of typing!

 

[SCPD]

It might be next week before I list the last groups (Groups 11-13) as we have company this weekend and plan to get in some of the last cross country skiing we will be doing. The snow is nearly gone in my yard, except for the edge of one large pile from my uphill neighbor's snow storage, located on the north side of his building. This is one of the earliest years Ive seen for snow melting out around my house. Last week I shoveled the last of the snow off my north facing roof, which had a maximum depth of about 36", with a sharp slope to 1" at the edge of the roof. Once off the roof, I then had to move this rather large pile to the lawn, where it melted in just 4 days. I call this pile large, but it was only as wide as the garage door (2 car) and somewhere between waist and chest height. In many years I've shoveled this pile in late Apri or sometime in May, and had it be taller than I am at 6 feet. I've shoveled it during the winter in mid to late January (first time of 2-4 shovelings for the winter) and actually just walked off the roof onto the pile, which means it was about 11-12 feet high. Most of the time, when the pile from roof shoveling is this high, I have the loader service our condo project contracts with, move the snow to the lawn at the end of the driveway. In spring 2006 I had an 11 foot pile after roof shoveling and the loader was done for the year. I took me about 3 hours per night after work, plus 3.5 days of the two weekends at each end to get it moved. I've shoveled snow off my driveway every month of the year except July (we only received about 1" early in the morning of July 4th, 1983) and August - it rained at my house just below 8,000 feet, but snowed 11" above 9700 feet in August of 1991. I've backpacked all over the western U.S. and been snowed on every month of the year, including 8" of the wetest, heavy snow you will ever see during August, 1981 in the Uinta Mountains in Utah. During another August in the backcountry of southern New Mexico, it rained almost non-stop for more than 3 days, it only let up for a few hours in the very early morning to snow, but the ground was wet and warm from the rain so it only stuck to the tent fly. I digress, but this is leading somewhere.

The snow pack on Mammoth Pass came out at 88% of an average winter water content in the snow on April 1st. We already had a high of 65 on two of the days last week, so when it snows again in May, as it almost always does (it snows in June about half the years) people in town will grumble. Then again, this might be the rare year where the snow we have gotten will be it for the year.

Some of the snow courses in the southern Sierra came out at 100% or just a few percent higher. The Rush Creek snow course, just north of here in the June Lake Loop had a lower water content amount in terms of percentage than Mammoth Pass.

I expect we will see an average or above average fire season this year. We received good moisture at the lower elevations and so the fall fire season should be active there. The upper elevations will experience fires according to how much above/below normal the snow pack was and that is varies a great deal by location. Even where it met average it was not a banner year in the southern and central Sierra Nevada. STOP WASHING THOSE SIDEWALKS CITY BOYS! (partial LOL!)

 

[RobertW1]

Forest Service national policy states that anyone who programs a radio must have written authorization from a Forest Supervisor to do such. Engine captains, hot shot crew superintendents, helitack superintendents, and patrols are usually the people with such authorizations. You, no doubt, do not have a programming switch on your radio and I'm sorry I confused you by mentioning it.

That's all for now, I'm tired of typing!

That is fully understandable. Don't see why a radio would need to be programmed as they seem to have everything you'd possibly need within the pre-programmed groups.

Thanks for taking the time to post the groups. I could post the channel descriptions from my radio, but I have no way of determining the actual freqs.

 

[SCPD]

Now for the last 3 groups in the Angeles handheld I examined.

Group 11 (programming and tone select locked on Tone 8)

1 Sequoia NF 1 168.775/168.775
2 Sequoia NF 2 168.775/170.600
3 Sierra NF 1 171.475/171.475
4 Sierra NF 2 171.475/169.875
5 Inyo NF 1 168.125/168.125
6 Inyo NF 2 168.125/173.800
7 Stanislaus NF 1 168.750/168.750
8 Stanislaus NF 2 168.750/170.500
9 Lake Tahoe Basin Management Unit 172.375/172.375
10 Lake Tahoe Basin Management Unit 172.375/171.575
11 NIFC Tac 1
12 NIFC Tac 2
13 NIFC Tac 3
14 R5 Air to Ground
15 R5 Project (error previously noted)
16 Wx (assume 162.550)

Group 12 (programming and tone select locked on Tone 8)

1 Eldorado NF 1 171.525/171.525
2 Eldorado NF 2 171.525/169.950
3 Tahoe NF 1 168.775/168.775
4 Tahoe NF 2 168.775/170.575
5 Plumas NF 1 170.550/170.550
6 Plumas NF 2 170.550/169.900
7 Modoc NF 1 168.750/168.750
8 Modoc NF 2 168.750/170.175
9 Lassen NF 1 172.225/172.225
10 Lassen NF 2 172.225/171.475
11 NIFC Tac 1
12 NIFC Tac 2
13 NIFC Tac 3
14 R5 Air to Ground
15 R5 Project (error previously noted)
16 Wx assume 162.550

Group 13 (programming and tone select locked on Tone 8)

1 Shasta-Trinity NF 1 171.575/171.575
2 Shasta-Trinity NF 2 171.575/169.100
3 Six Rivers NF 1 168.725/168.725
4 Six Rivers NF 2 168.725/170.125
5 Mendocino NF 1 169.175/169.175
6 Mendocino NF 2 169.175/169.975
7 Klamath NF 1 164.175/164.175
8 Klamath NF 2 164.175/164.975
9 disabled
10 disabled
11 NIFC Tac 1
12 NIFC Tac 2
13 NIFC Tac 3
14 R5 Air to Ground
15 R5 Project (error previously noted)
16 Wx assume 162.550

Looking back through my posts it looks like I didn't cover Group 14 so here it is:

Group 14 (programming and tone select ARE accessible)

1 Angeles NF F1
2 Angeles NF F2
3 Angeles NF F3
4 Angeles NF F4
5 NIFC Tac 1
6 NIFC Tac 2
7 NIFC Tac 3
8 R5 Air to Ground
9 San Bernardino NF F2
10 Cleveland NF F2
11 Los Padres NF F2
12 Service Net 1 164.125/164.125
13 Service Net 2 164.125/164.825
14 R5 Project (error previously noted)
15 Wx (assume 162.550)
16 Open with a tone of 192.8 programmed in so Tone 16 can be selected in this program.

I think RobertW1 covered Group 25 but I will show just to verify:

Group 25 (programming and tone select ARE accessible)

1 Angeles NF F1
2 Angeles NF F2
3 Angeles NF F3
4 Angeles NF F4
5 NIFC Tac 1
6 NIFC Tac 2
7 NIFC Tac 3
8 R5 Air to Ground
9 168.200 (This is how it shows up in the display and yes, it is a duplicate)
10 151.145 (This is how it shows up in the display)
11 disabled
12 disabled
13 disabled
14 disabled
15 R5 Project (error previously noted)
16 Wx (assume 162.550)

Note that Groups 15-24 are identical and all are the same as Group 25 with the exception that channels 9 and 10 are disabled.

That covers it!