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I was up there yesterday at the Red Box picnic area. We kept hearing a helicopter and then saw Sheriff 's 5 come blasting up over the ridge. I think they were taking somebody out from the heliport down the canyon there. Unfortunately I didn't have a radio.

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I've heard that the Sheriff's "Air 5", the Green Monster as I affectionately call it, would be moving their base from Barley Flats to the "County Yard" between Wrightwood and Big Pines since it is more accessable during the winter. Has anyone heard anymore about this? I heard something about there needing to be some work done at the "yard" and something about asbestos.

The "County Yard" is where all the Mountain High victims are transported to be air lifted by either "Air 5" or Mercy Air.
 

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I've heard that the Sheriff's "Air 5", the Green Monster as I affectionately call it, would be moving their base from Barley Flats to the "County Yard" between Wrightwood and Big Pines since it is more accessable during the winter. Has anyone heard anymore about this? I heard something about there needing to be some work done at the "yard" and something about asbestos.

The "County Yard" is where all the Mountain High victims are transported to be air lifted by either "Air 5" or Mercy Air.

I didn't even know they base there. Is there a repeated base freq, or any kind of base freq they report to? I heard them come up on the LASO Tactical/K-9 DS the other day and they seemed to be arranging to pick up some officers at Fox. I lost track of them after that. It would have been nice to follow whatever they were doing. They mentioned something about bringing their rappelling gear. They did talk to the Air Unit desk, but I don' think I've ever heard them on the air unit DS freq.


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The opening of Angeles Crest is getting closer. According to the foreman on the job, two of these large girders are being delivered each day for installation.

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These Girders required a CHP escort through Wrightwood. For CalTrans and CHP freqs of the area:

http://pages.prodigy.net/robertmorgan/Wrightwood Scanner Frequencies.html
 

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Wow... I'm trying to picture how that will work. It will be interesting to see when it's done.


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Wow... I'm trying to picture how that will work. It will be interesting to see when it's done.

Each of the 6 girder segments in the photo are:
8 feet tall
4 feet wide
91.86 feet long

The 6 girders account for 35% of the total cost to build the bridge

FURNISH PRECAST PRESTRESSED CONCRETE
BULB-TEE GIRDER (60 M-65 M)

EA 6
cost each $158,000.00
total $948,000.00


The total width of the roadway (including outside fence and concrete barrier) will be about 42 feet.

Here are the plans:

http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/hwy2/Girder1.JPG

http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/hwy2/Girder2.JPG
 
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Working for the SCMRRD as a volunteer, we patrol "Area 12" or as we call it, "the high country", which includes the Big Pines Area (including Pinyon Ridge, Ball Flat, Jackson Lake and up). Occasionally we are asked to help out in Big Rock Canyon and the Sycamore and South Fork Campgrounds. I'm not sure that is still Area 12 or if it is part of Area 11. I believe the Little Rock Dam area is in "Area 11".

I've asked around for an "Area Map". Though they remember seeing them, nobody seems to have one. When I hear Edward-15 tell Angeles Dispatch they are available in Area 11, I'd like to know how far away they are. Does anyone know where an Angeles Forest "Area map" might be located on the web? How about it Exsmokey?

I've found an ANF Radio Repeater and Response Areas Map:

Little Rock Dam is actually in Area 10.
 
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Cool, it's starting to make sense now. About a month ago I stumbled onto a frequency that appeared to be some sort of road commissioners or somebody like that, helping to move some big loads up the 15 from SB. It was on a fed 400 type freq, but I found no listing for it anywhere. This was late at night and they never mentioned what it was. When I first saw the beams, I thought it might be those, but I don't think the timing would have been right.

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Each of the 6 girder segments in the photo are:
8 feet tall
4 feet wide
91.86 feet long

The 6 girders account for 35% of the total cost to build the bridge

FURNISH PRECAST PRESTRESSED CONCRETE
BULB-TEE GIRDER (60 M-65 M)

EA 6
cost each $158,000.00
total $948,000.00


The total width of the roadway (including outside fence and concrete barrier) will be about 42 feet.

Here are the plans:

http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/hwy2/Girder1.JPG

http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/hwy2/Girder2.JPG
 

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Angeles Crest Update:

The individual girder segments, as being seen trucked to site above, are being assembled at Vicent Gap. There are 3 segments to one girder section. Each segment weighs 156,000 Lbs, so the assembled girder setion will weigh 234 tons. To assemble the girders an iron center piece will be anchored between each concrete girder piece and concrete forms have been made that will be filled with concrete. The steel tubing you see in the photos will house multiple 5/8 cables that will be strained to compress the assembly.

They will then move each assembled girder section, in tact, by using two 500 ton cranes working in concert to move and place the girders in place. They will place one end of the assembly on a cradle of a tractor rig and there will be a center dolly with a rear dolly that will be towed up to the site. Then, the two cranes will set the concrete assembly in place. The dollies have 12 tires each and can pivot around corners as they move up the road to the site.

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The projected opening date has now moved to the end of October, more realistically or "hopefully" as the forman stated by Thanksgiving. It should be open for a few weeks before closing the road for the winter.
 
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HWY 2 Update:

The project appeared to be on target for a Thanksgiving Weekend Opening. Yesterday they began to move the first of 6 200 ft girders from Vincent Gap to the Construction site via 500 Ton cranes and special dollies. About 200 yards west of the closure gate the girder slipped from the dollies and crashed to the Hwy. It is now stuck on Hwy 2 and is not salvageable.

The entire 200 ft. length of the girder will be jack hammered and removed. The bridge will not be completed until spring/summer 2009.

This was announced by a Caltrans PIO at the Wrightwood Winter Traffic Meeting today.

That's a quick end to $158,000.00.
 
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Ouch. That's got to be a huge problem... If they made those on location, the forms have most likely been disassembled and maybe even moved away.

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The girders were actually brought to Vincent Gap in three parts. It was there they were joined together to form 204 Ft. lenths. Six of them in all. They sat for several weeks so that the joints could "cure" before they attempted to move them a couple of days ago.

I said they fell off the dollies about 200 yards into the trek. As you can see from the pictures it was 200 ft.

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From what I hear, only ONE company even bid on moving these bohemouth girders. I guess it is back to the drawing board.
 
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A New Trucking Company has been brought in and Contruction on HWY 2 has resumed!

I talked with Dan today. He is in charge of moving the girders. They are working feverishly to get the girders in and in place by the end of this week. He said the first one will take the longest as they want to get it right and will be extra careful. He hopes they will get faster with experience and perhaps get 2 girders a day in place. He said the damaged girder has been replaced with a brand new one and is waiting to be transported through Wrightwood to be assembled at Vincent Gap like the others were. He gave the impression that they would move the girders to Vincent Gap fairly soon as soon as they moved the 5 other girders into place at the construction zone.

I also talked to Bob, the Supervisor of the Company that is building the bridge. He told me that they have aquired this new Trucking company to move the girders. Bob said: "These guys are serious". Bob told me that it would be six weeks before the new replacement girder could be moved into place as it has to have a proper curing time.

As I left Vincent Gap around 3 pm, they were still hooking up the first girder in preparation for the move. According to Bob they are planning on moving it today, even working into the night to get it done. They have brought in light standards so as to work at night. Bob told me he was hoping they were going to just get it ready to move and then come back tomorrow to actually move it, but it seemed they were bent on doing it tonight. Bob, Dan and other supervisors were having a pow-wow about it when I left.

THE ROAD IS CLOSED!

You cannot get to Vincent Gap as the road is closed. I had some hikers park in turn outs and ask if they could walk on over to the Baden Powell trail to hike. I told them I didn't have a problem with it but asked them to be very careful and stay very clear of the crane and heavy equipment.

I ask Bob if he had any problems with people trying to get into the area past the closure. He told me he hadn't.

I get the impression that they are going to finish this road before the end of the year, even in the snow. If the road is finished in inclimate weather I doubt it will open to the public. I think the $4,000+ a day fine since October 12th might have something to do with that.
 

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They must have made those at a full-time forming facility then. I thought maybe they made them at a temp location somewhere else, which would have been a real problem if they had disassembled the molds and everything. That's often how they form concrete pieces for projects like that.

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They must have made those at a full-time forming facility then. I thought maybe they made them at a temp location somewhere else, which would have been a real problem if they had disassembled the molds and everything. That's often how they form concrete pieces for projects like that.

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It is a full time forming facility located in Riverside I believe. They had the forms and immediately started on a new set when the first one was destroyed. It will take 6 weeks for the concrete to cure, but I get the impression they can move them to location for assembly and allow them to cure there.

I went to Vincent Gap yesterday afternoon about 2:00 pm. The girder was gone and couldn't be seen from the closure gate. So the good news is they at least got much further than the last one. All the worker's trucks were parked in the lot but there was nobody to be seen, so I suspect they were busy installing the girder and putting it in place. I'm going to head down there in a little bit and see what's up. hopefully I'll have pictures to post.
 
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By this post, three girders are in place, 2 to go (not including the new one that is still curing at the plant).

Lifting the girder onto the dollies. The green straps used by the cranes are made of Kevlar which is much stronger than cables. Each single strap can lift 100,000 lbs, many straps are used by each crane.

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Setting girder onto the dollies

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The two cranes stabilize the girder while it is secured to the dollies

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Once the girder is secured to the dolly the 500 Ton Crane begins breaking down as it will need to follow the girder to installation site. In this picture the counter balance weights are being removed from the crane. The two smaller counter balance weights on the top each weight 5,100 lbs each. The larger counter balance weight at the bottom weights 10,000 lbs. 44,000 lbs of counter balance were used in picking up and securing the girder. MORE counter balance weight will be needed at the site for installation of the girder since its boom will need to be extended much further.

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Metal frames are secured across the middle of the girder to prevent flexing during the move

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The girder is chained and secured to the dolly and is now ready to move. This dolly with 8 tires in each row could support the entire weight of the entire girder itself. It can support 200 tons. The girder only weighs 170 tons. Two dollies are used in the move, one supporting the front, one supporting the back, so there is no problem with weight. The dolly is not self powered but is pulled along by a cable connected to the front dolly. The front dolly is pulled by a very large truck.

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Here the dollies are being leveled. They can be raised up to 50 inches on each side.

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The move begins

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This 500 Ton Crane looks brand new but is two years old and cost 3 million dollars. Because of its weight and size it actually is broken down into several pieces and delivered to a site via 18 wheelers and dollies and then reassembled. We talked to the owner and he said they are constantly on the move as they are very much in demand.

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The move continues at a walking pace. The first girder took an hour to get to the installation site. The second took a ½ hour to get to the site, as will this one. The 500 ton crane will follow it and be used to install it at the site. A 350 ton crane is waiting on the other side of the “bridge” to help with installation

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Even in the first bank and turn the load is easily kept level due to the leveling ability of the dollies. The plates the girder sits in on the dollies swivel to make turns a breeze. While there are self leveling dollies, these dollies are mechanically controlled with an operator controlling the leveling action manually. By the time we got in the car the girder was making its way around the large turn around the hill and out of sight.

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Apparently the first girder was lost because the trucking company did not have dollies that could be leveled and the chains were not secured down as well as they could have been. Thus, when they hit the first bank in the road it fell over.

The three portions of the girder became one when many cables were strung through holes designed for this use, then pulled and stretched at tremendous tension, then secured, capped and the holes filled with cement that was pressure poured. Cement was also used to secure the joints.

Before jack hammering the broken girder, these cables had to be removed first for safety reasons. Being under such tremendous tension, they could cut a person in half. Upon removing the caps and cutting the cables, a worker told me that the tension was so great that like a large rubber band the cable zipped through the 208 feet of girder and flew into the road another 200 feet from the girder. Everyone stood very clear. Here are the caps that were removed from the broken girder. You can see the cables that had to be cut.

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Here is the pile of metal and rebar that was removed from the first broken girder upon breaking it up and removing it.

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The three portions of the new girder have been poured and are curing. Unlike the previous girders, the new girder will be joined and installed at the sight of the span, not at Vincent Gap.

Watching these professionals work was truly amazing. A once in a lifetime event. I was told by two people at the site that at 208 feet long, these are the longest single span cement girders in the state of California!

Keeping the topic Frequency related the workmen controlling the the leveling at each dolly and the driver driving the truck were using business radios to keep in communication. Didn't have time to find the frequency. I suppose we could look up the company in the FCC database.

I will be on patrol on Saturday and hope to have some pictures of the girders sitting in place at the construction location.
 
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Obviously those are the guys they should have hired the first time. It never pays to be cheap.

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The forth girder is now in place. They were going to load the last girder on the dollies this afternoon to be moved on Monday, but because there is a front moving through the area tonight with possible high winds and precipitation, they elected to wait until Monday.

As of Monday all 5 girders will be in place. The new girder that will replace the one that was destroyed will be delivered on Wednesday. It will be assembled at the installation site.

In talking to Bob, this road is going to be finished in December, inclement weather or not.

Here is the fourth girder ready to be set on the "pads". The cranes are about to remove the girder from the dollies. 120,000 lbs of counter weight was needed on the 500 Ton crane to perform this feat:

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Here is a look at the pad that the girders are set on. The girders are not secured to the pad. They just rest upon it so they can move during an earthquake. It isn't as if they are going anywhere. There are cables that will secure the top of the girder to the road.

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You'll notice the girders seem very close together. They are just being placed on the pad, to be separated and spaced once all are in place.

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Fascinating Robert! I second the motiion that you keep the posts coming. When taking the girders through the bank of a turn do the dollies adjust horizontally as well as vertically, to match the slope of the bank and keep the girder level no matter what the slope of the bank or crown of the road is?
 

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Fascinating Robert! I second the motiion that you keep the posts coming. When taking the girders through the bank of a turn do the dollies adjust horizontally as well as vertically, to match the slope of the bank and keep the girder level no matter what the slope of the bank or crown of the road is?

I believe the dollies had that capability, but I didn't notice them being too concerned about that. They seemed to be just more concerned about keeping it perfectly level from side to side.

A couple of Pics taken from the top. (The service road will be removed once the bridge is completed and the side of the hill groomed so as to make sure any further slides go under the span).

Here four girders are in place. (They will be space them out evenly after all girders are placed on the pad). The fifth one was to be installed today. Again the last one will be assembled on site. It arrives on Wednesday.

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A couple of Pics taken from the bottom of the canyon with a telephoto lens:

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