Another NEXEDGE Agency....

[unitcharlie]

But if you put up a technology block (the 5%) then you make the other 95% twice as hard to fix.

Thanx N-Jay, you beat me to the post.... The 5% is what I'm ranting about... Being from Kentucky, I am well aware of the 95% political; however, Kentucky has a really solid interop plan called "Kentucky Mutual Aid and Interoperability Initiative (KYMAI)" that transcends the 95%.... The larger the number of different protocols out there the more likely that Murphy will raise his mischievous head make a mess...

 

[radiofan1]

Let's not forget that in most cases a county or city can get twice or three times as much system for the buck if they don't buy P25.

last post on this, so have at it /\/\Jay.

 

[N_Jay]

It all depends what you mean by "as much system".

They can save a lot with Kia patrol cars, Taurus guns and Ray-O-Vac flashlights also.

 

[mastr]

As long as you have an MOU in hand and what ever "XYZ digital" radio you buy will still do analog FM with a CTCSS tone, you are good to go on KYMAI.

Your 30 year old Micor will probably work just fine if your radio shop still knows how to install crystals and PL reeds.

Your new P-25 radio will probably work just fine if your radio shop can program in a few more analog FM channels with CTCSS.

Your "AEGIS, VSELP, Pro Voice,TRBO, NXDN" radio will probably work just fine too if your radio shop leaves room for a few more analog FM channels with CTCSS.

The bottom line is it really doesn't matter what digital mode you use, as long as the radio will do analog FM with CTCSS.

 

[N_Jay]

As long as you have an MOU in hand and what ever "XYZ digital" radio you buy will still do analog FM with a CTCSS tone, you are good to go on KYMAI.

Your 30 year old Micor will probably work just fine if your radio shop still knows how to install crystals and PL reeds.

Your new P-25 radio will probably work just fine if your radio shop can program in a few more analog FM channels with CTCSS.

Your "AEGIS, VSELP, Pro Voice,TRBO, NXDN" radio will probably work just fine too if your radio shop leaves room for a few more analog FM channels with CTCSS.

The bottom line is it really doesn't matter what digital mode you use, as long as the radio will do analog FM with CTCSS.

Until 2013 narrowband requirements kick in.

 

[kib669]

Until 2013 narrowband requirements kick in.

Narrowbanding has nothing to do with digital. All new radios must be capable of narrowband per FCC type acceptance.

 

[N_Jay]

Narrowbanding has nothing to do with digital. All new radios must be capable of narrowband per FCC type acceptance.

So were you including; "Your 30 year old Micor, Your "AEGIS, VSELP, Pro Voice" radios also?

 

[kib669]

So were you including; "Your 30 year old Micor, Your "AEGIS, VSELP, Pro Voice" radios also?

All NEW radios, so that does include VSELP and at least most if not all AEGIS and Pro Voice radios (there may be some GE versions of AEGIS that may have been produce before the FCC mandate to produce radios capable of 11.25 kHz channels).

Micors are not 11.25 compliant, even if you change the IF filters with after market products. To be 11.25 compliant, the radio must have an FCC type acceptanc for that emission.

 

[SlGlNT]

Getting back to the topic of NXDN agencies:

WPRF963 - Marrowbone West Cumberland Fire Dept. Inc

 

[SCPD]

Whitley and McCreary Counties

Whitley County is now on the list. Their license WQKV454 was granted today. Two of the freqs on this license are in the db as being used by Whitley Co. Sheriff, and one as Whitley Co. Rescue.

Anyone know if Whitley Co. has swtiched over yet? Or McCreary Co.?
(someone posted earlier that McCreary is a maybe)

 

[radiofan1]

Radio Resource Magazine: OnlyOnline

 

[kib669]

Here is another article from there on Logan County. Looks like they will be upgrading their current UHF LTR system.

http://rrmediagroup.com/newsArticle.cfm?news_id=5257

 

[SlGlNT]

CEDAR SPRINGS #2 VFD (Allen County)
Fulton City Police

 

[trashman43]

Another one bites the dust....

Adair County S.O. and Columbia P.D. are using NDXN

 

[cfd825]

The Scoop

P-25 is a pain and is old technology. It uses IMBE vocoder technology and the programming is horrible.
Nexedge uses AMBE vocoders which sound better and are p-25 phase II compliant. P-25 is already outdated before it got started.
Also P-25 is government controlled and very expensive. If you add the AES encrption to it it cost alot more.
Kenwood NXDN is not propriatary. They will release the software to other radio manufactures to add to there radios if they please.
Also there is no cost for the encryption. It is built in the radios and software.
Heres the cool thing too, They are making it flash programmable to p-25. For a Cost of course because its a government thing.
Kenwood does make a p-25 radio.
But agencies are spending their money more wisely to get more stable vocoders and equipment.
You talk about interop, what if every agency except madison county goes nexedge?
And madison is putting there network first interop gateway in to talk to every county around with a push of a button.(PATCH)
Not only that, The kenwoods still can talk analog as well as digital. All the agencies have to do is program the state interop channels in their radios.
Or better yet, Program their kenwood nexedge repeaters to mix mode and and add a narrowband analog channel to their radios.
Don't be blinded by p-25. interop still works if agencies want it too... THATS THE KEY!!!!!!!!

 

[cfd825]

The scoop(cont.)

NXDN:
Woodford county
Anderson SO
Bourbon PD/SO
Wilmore soon
Nicholasville PD/FD soon
Georgetown FD soon
Scott county future
Mercer County FD/ Burgin FD
Boyle county future
Garrard SO/Lancaster PD Very soon
Garrard FIRE/EMS future
And a bunch more proposed...

 

[kib669]

You talk about interop, what if every agency except madison county goes nexedge?
And madison is putting there network first interop gateway in to talk to every county around with a push of a button.(PATCH)
Not only that, The kenwoods still can talk analog as well as digital. All the agencies have to do is program the state interop channels in their radios.
Or better yet, Program their kenwood nexedge repeaters to mix mode and and add a narrowband analog channel to their radios.
Don't be blinded by p-25. interop still works if agencies want it too... THATS THE KEY!!!!!!!!

Even if all of these agencies that are going Nexedge went to P25, they would not be interoperable with Madison County because VHF and 800 MHz are not interoperable!

 

[rainmanky]

Another one bites the dust....

Adair County S.O. and Columbia P.D. are using NDXN

Is there somewhere to see this change/modification in the FCC ULS?

 

[cfd825]

Even if all of these agencies that are going Nexedge went to P25, they would not be interoperable with Madison County because VHF and 800 MHz are not interoperable!

Oh yes they are.... Harris and Madison County are putting in the network first cards at 3 of their sites to have inter-op with all the csepp counties. Also the KWIEC KSP channels are being put in all the 800 madison co. radios to have inter-op thru KSP.
There is alot of agencies that also own JPS inter-op boxes to accomplish this also. You take 2 to 6 radios,doesnt matter on brand or band and it ties them together.
Inter-op is not the problem. Its the politics that are pushing p-25..
You can buy p-25 kenwood radios all day long. But you will pay for it. Around $1,800 for 800 kenwood.
The harris 800's are $ 5,000 a piece.
The Harris Mobiles retail for $ 15,000....

Or buy nexedge NX-200's and NX-700's all day long for $ 700
The new digital nexedge NX-710 repeaters are only $ 1,200.
You do the Math and figure out why all these agencies are going NXDN....

And the Madison System is not opensky. Its P-25 ip...

 

[cfd825]

Wilmore PD

Wilmore PD is now Nexedge... Active as of Yesterday..