APX APX non-affiliated scan help

[Asunakiyori]

I'm just gonna sit back and get my popcorn here.....

See the whacker that transmits is the idiot... sitting and listening I honestly don't see a problem... that's why its NON AFFILIATION SCAN. you don't have the desire nor the intention to transmit.

 

[buddrousa]

@Asunakiyori
Your statement is true but the problem is when this setup is attempted by a person that does not know and makes a mistake and the radio interferes with a emergency call and then the problems start. It is like playing with explosives when you know nothing about them.

 

[Asunakiyori]

@Asunakiyori
Your statement is true but the problem is when this setup is attempted by a person that does not know and makes a mistake and the radio interferes with a emergency call and then the problems start. It is like playing with explosives when you know nothing about them.

also true... but thats one one asks and expecting not to get utterly flamed hard

 

[buddrousa]

As a 40 year career Firefighter First Responder I do not want my life or my crews life endangered by someone that does not know better.
Wakers and fools that endanger lives are the reasons some of us feel the way we do. Have you considered putting your life on the line and have someone that could cause you harm interfere with radio communications.

 

[Nasby]

How many so called whackers with their NAS radios have actually endangered a volunteer firefighter as he battles an abandoned trailer fire???
Come on.
Lots of chest puffing and doomsday “what if’s”.
These NAS threads are always the most entertaining on RR!!

 

[mmckenna]

How many so called whackers with their NAS radios have actually endangered a volunteer firefighter as he battles an abandoned trailer fire???
Come on.

The issue is real. There are people that won't admit what they don't know and assume that buying a radio off e-bay and watching a YouTube video makes them a "radio expert". It's happened enough that the FCC has needed to get involved in several cases.

When people start whining about encryption, they need to start thinking about the actions that cause system admins to make choices to protect the legit users. Personally, I think control channel encryption needs to start getting implemented on all new trunked systems.

No one has ever been busted for programming a trunked system into a scanner.

 

[Nasby]

But the second a whacker tries to affiliate on a volunteer firefighter water shuttle tactical attack command channel 9, doesn’t the radio get stunned and bricked?

 

[mmckenna]

But the second a whacker tries to affiliate on a volunteer firefighter water shuttle tactical attack command channel 9, doesn’t the radio get stunned and bricked?

Not necessarily. Some older trunked systems that only used radio ID access controls can only stun/kill the radio ID, so both radios would get killed thanks to the whacker.

I would prefer that all radios have a small explosive charge in them that could be triggered. Not to hurt the user, but to make sure any radio that has been used to actively whack is permanently destroyed. Eventually the whackers would get the message. Stupidity should be painful, and expensive.

 

[AES-256-Encryption]

Not necessarily. Some older trunked systems that only used radio ID access controls can only stun/kill the radio ID, so both radios would get killed thanks to the whacker.

I would prefer that all radios have a small explosive charge in them that could be triggered. Not to hurt the user, but to make sure any radio that has been used to actively whack is permanently destroyed. Eventually the whackers would get the message. Stupidity should be painful, and expensive.

Hmm yes, make it so that to own any Motorola Solutions product you must have a proper explosives license. LOL
Maybe it's just me but buy a KNG P-800 for trunking and a Motorola for conventional or KNG altogether and stop affilating plus BKR are typically cheaper. sometimes.

water shuttle tactical attack command channel 9

MMM yes, I sure do love shuttle tac attack command ch 9. lol

 

[mmckenna]

Hmm yes, make it so that to own any Motorola Solutions product you must have a proper explosives license. LOL
Maybe it's just me but buy a KNG P-800 for trunking and a Motorola for conventional or KNG altogether and stop affilating plus BKR are typically cheaper. sometimes.

Yeah, there's better radios for doing this. However, some seem to gravitate towards Motorola.

 

[KevinC]

Link Layer Authentication- Problem Solved

 

[mmckenna]

Link Layer Authentication- Problem Solved

No idea why APCO didn't implement that from the start.

 

[KevinC]

No idea why APCO didn't implement that from the start.

It’s been available for years, very few systems take advantage of it though. A system local to me launched with it in 2011.

 

[AES-256-Encryption]

It’s been available for years, very few systems take advantage of it though. A system local to me launched with it in 2011.

Thats a smart design. Then if it auto detects but I guess if a SYS uses Genwatch but if it auto detects a dup it just says no or inhibits it.

 

[KevinC]

Thats a smart design. Then if it auto detects but I guess if a SYS uses Genwatch but if it auto detects a dup it just says no or inhibits it.

GenWatch does a lot of cool stuff, but it isn’t foolproof as far as duplicate ID detection.

In LLA if your radio isn’t authenticated you’re not affiliating. No cloning ID’s.

 

[AES-256-Encryption]

GenWatch does a lot of cool stuff, but it isn’t foolproof as far as duplicate ID detection.

In LLA if your radio isn’t authenticated you’re not affiliating. No cloning ID’s.

LLA is something Motorola should make standard. Just for the reason of exactly what is said. As much as I'm "pro" NAS (Not using a Motorola but using a radio capable) I still think there should be measures to stop affiliations because it just isn't safe for the FF / LEO that has to be killed over someone's interference.

 

[KevinC]

LLA is something Motorola should make standard. Just for the reason of exactly what is said. As much as I'm "pro" NAS (Not using a Motorola but using a radio capable) I still think there should be measures to stop affiliations because it just isn't safe for the FF / LEO that has to be killed over someone's interference.

Or just implement the ESN feature in P25 trunking.

 

[AES-256-Encryption]

Or just implement the ESN feature in P25 trunking.

so it has to validate an ESN so if it fails it just boots the radio into sleep mode (inhibit).

 

[KevinC]

so it has to validate an ESN so if it fails it just boots the radio into sleep mode (inhibit).

No idea how the subscriber would react since it’s not implemented…yet.

 

[marcotor]

A Unication is often times the best answer but does not have the cool factor of a UltraLux™ radio.

Geez, hope my use of symbols doesn't trigger anyone.