Brevard County P25 (00A.92077)

[N4ADE]

edacs system has gone completely dark now in south except for SCAT i guess

 

[kg4frf]

edacs system has gone completely dark now in south except for SCAT i guess

It was a fun ride for 30 years.... I have a bunch of P7100 and a couple of P5400 that are now useless radios; anyone had luck selling them on eBay? I understand why, but ENC sucks!

 

[seagravebuff60]

Wow.....It's amazing to think that most of Brevard is now off EDACS and has transitioned to P25 in just 6 months. Meanwhile, Volusia is moving at a snail's pace to get the P25 operational, after nearly 8.5 years. Looks like Brevard got the VIP deal. Make it make sense.

Don't get it twisted. Im not knocking the actual work that is being done "behind the scenes" with both systems. I understand there are many, many factors at hand in both counties, more than some of us (including me) can comprehend, but as simple-minded as I am, I find it odd and a bit hypocritical. Just as an "outsider looking in" standpoint, it's a little weird to me. To me, it seems that Brevard had their P25 CCs go live in May, subscribers moved over quickly, then now they are reported to have moved 90% to the new system 6 months later. Vousia has been crawling since before 2020. About a year ago, they made some changes to CCs, added more P25 subscribers, and moved some folks over, but they're nowhere near completion, while Brevard completed it in about 6 months... Maybe it's just as simple as Volusia wants to get it right 100% but ive seen my resume change faster than Volusia does anything....

 

[batdude]

Wow.....It's amazing to think that most of Brevard is now off EDACS and has transitioned to P25 in just 6 months. Meanwhile, Volusia is moving at a snail's pace to get the P25 operational, after nearly 8.5 years. Looks like Brevard got the VIP deal. Make it make sense.

Don't get it twisted. Im not knocking the actual work that is being done "behind the scenes" with both systems. I understand there are many, many factors at hand in both counties, more than some of us (including me) can comprehend, but as simple-minded as I am, I find it odd and a bit hypocritical. Just as an "outsider looking in" standpoint, it's a little weird to me. To me, it seems that Brevard had their P25 CCs go live in May, subscribers moved over quickly, then now they are reported to have moved 90% to the new system 6 months later. Vousia has been crawling since before 2020. About a year ago, they made some changes to CCs, added more P25 subscribers, and moved some folks over, but they're nowhere near completion, while Brevard completed it in about 6 months... Maybe it's just as simple as Volusia wants to get it right 100% but ive seen my resume change faster than Volusia does anything....

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sometimes the RR dB admin team will get messages or inputs privately on what is going on, why things are the way they are, etc.

we have received nothing re: Volusia.

the only reason I can fathom for the slow pace in Volusia is - Money. I know that Brevard wanted their new EOC / dispatch center completed (check - awesome facility btw) before the transition, and some money had been allocated 2-4 years ago to start getting the core of the new system ready for P25 ---- so there was some effective planning and $ allocation done in Brevard. Maybe it's because L3Harris has their HQ here (LOL!) in Brevard (?) Who knows.

What Florida is missing is a an effective, functional, statewide radio system. SLERS 2.0 "ain't gonna be it". It is really surprising to see many other states across the country with a single, consolidated, well-engineered wide-area radio systems and then look at Florida and see 100++ different flavors of radios, encryption, system architecture, etc. That alone should result in an audit of SLERS 2.0 and see if the investment in that system is really worth the $. I see SLERS 2.0 as just another wash-rinse-repeat of what is currently on the air ---- FHP, FWC and a few other users sprinkled across the state. I would be very, very surprised if a single county switched to SLERS as P25 users - the coverage just isn't effective.

To really throw some gasoline on the fire - just wait until more PS comms shift over to LTE - it's coming.

 

[ElroyJetson]

I only heard countywide traffic on Brevard yesterday. Nothing else at all. And I believe that countywide is Brevard's answer to interoperability with visiting officers from other counties. Give them countywide, maybe the alert channels too, and no encryption on those talkgroups, then they have the essential interoperability needed and no need to risk security by sharing encryption keys.

Going to hand it to the techs at CI. They managed the transition rather smoothly and quickly but I know that they did a hell of a lot of careful methodical groundwork and tons of pretesting before going live with the transitions. Job well done.

 

[seagravebuff60]

Maybe it's because L3Harris has their HQ here (LOL!) in Brevard (?) Who knows.

Honestly, not for nothing, you might be right about that...

What Florida is missing is a an effective, functional, statewide radio system. SLERS 2.0 "ain't gonna be it". It is really surprising to see many other states across the country with a single, consolidated, well-engineered wide-area radio systems and then look at Florida and see 100++ different flavors of radios, encryption, system architecture, etc. That alone should result in an audit of SLERS 2.0 and see if the investment in that system is really worth the $. I see SLERS 2.0 as just another wash-rinse-repeat of what is currently on the air ---- FHP, FWC and a few other users sprinkled across the state. I would be very, very surprised if a single county switched to SLERS as P25 users - the coverage just isn't effective.

To really throw some gasoline on the fire - just wait until more PS comms shift over to LTE - it's coming.

I think this is a loaded topic for a different thread, and I don't want to derail this Brevard thread by going down another rabbit hole. But, I will say this, I agree that SLERS 2.0 is going to be exactly what SLERS EDACS is, and the coverage isn't really adequate in places. But over here on the East Coast of Florida, from JAX down to Brevard, I can count the number of times on my hands that I have seen FHP on any roads here, and never any of the FWC or other agencies that are on SLERS.

But in my opinion, Florida doesn't need a "Statewide" system. The interoperability is already there. Either via each trunk county trunk systems ISSI, Sharing Keys, Roaming, etc. Yes, sometimes the patches from county to county can get messy, but ive heard at least two chases that I remember that have spanned multiple counties, and I have heard the incident on multiple county systems. Example: I remember a chase from Orlando that started on I-4 and ended in St. Johns on I-95. The person they were pursuing was very reckless and had many charges in each county that he passed through. Each agency involved, and the helicopter was able to follow with 90% seamless communication on multiple systems.

 

[MTS2000des]

At least Florida has a statewide radio system. FWIW, Georgia has said "no" to big dollar LMR and their new L3H solution combined with Southern LINC puts state agencies including GSP on 100 percent LTE. It's coming. An agency like Volusia using a 30 year old EDACS is on borrowed time. To L3H credit, they supported EDACS systems long after MSI dropped support for Smartnet/Smartzone over 20 years ago.
Time marches on folks. Change is in the air. Pretty soon you'll need a subscription to watch what was once "free to air" TV. Public safety radio will be eventually moving to commercial carrier as primary with LMR as a backup/secondary. Brevard got their money out of EDACS.

The few vendors in this space are about to be shaken by the three MNOs in the commercial carrier world that want the pots of money the LMR boys have been holding onto for the past 50-60 years, and they are going to get it. One can get down, or lay down.

 

[billy2047]

Either via each trunk county trunk systems ISSI, Sharing Keys, Roaming, etc. Yes, sometimes the patches from county to county can get messy, but ive heard at least two chases that I remember that have spanned multiple counties, and I have heard the incident on multiple county systems.

Exactly, my county uses console patches alot for stuff like multi county pursuit. I was kind of amazed how far out units can talk back without having to change talkgroup, channel or zone.