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I'll have to update my files to hear updated talkgroup lists on the P25 side. Maybe tomorrow...
Brevard County P25 (00A.92077)
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I have radios monitoring both systems, both Harris radios, an XG-75P with Phase II and my XL-185 that monitors the EDACS system.
I've heard many transmissions on the P25 system which are digital and the EDACS system repeats it, sounding digital, but clearly not encrypted. Other times there are definitely encrypted transmissions on the P25 system. The XG-75P will indicate the encrypted key symbol but of course not unmute as it isn't keyed to the material.
I'm by no means clear on the rules of retransmissions as performed by the migration gateway. But with time delay being my best information, there are some transmissions that begin digital and are retransmitted on the analog system, and others that begin on the EDACS system and end up retransmitted on the P25 system.
I've heard many transmissions on the P25 system which are digital and the EDACS system repeats it, sounding digital, but clearly not encrypted. Other times there are definitely encrypted transmissions on the P25 system. The XG-75P will indicate the encrypted key symbol but of course not unmute as it isn't keyed to the material.
I'm by no means clear on the rules of retransmissions as performed by the migration gateway. But with time delay being my best information, there are some transmissions that begin digital and are retransmitted on the analog system, and others that begin on the EDACS system and end up retransmitted on the P25 system.
Yeah there is plenty of BCSO encryption on the P25 system, you catch it every so often on EDACs where it doesn't decode from the gateway. Even the BCFR TACs had encryption during the fires last week down south. Not every transmission but you can tell its coming.
All of the below comes from the DSDPlus CC Event Log then parsed out with PowerShell. Important is the Last 24hr Encryption column as you can see that % is getting higher than the overall as more radios are using encryption as time goes on.
All of the below comes from the DSDPlus CC Event Log then parsed out with PowerShell. Important is the Last 24hr Encryption column as you can see that % is getting higher than the overall as more radios are using encryption as time goes on.
| Group ID | Group Description | Clear Calls | Enc Calls | Total Calls | % Encrypted | % Encrypted Last 24h |
137 | [BCSO 1 North] 1 North | 12123 | 2661 | 14784 | 18% | 47.74% |
138 | [BCSO 2 East] 2 East | 15920 | 1268 | 17188 | 7.38% | 12.21% |
139 | [BCSO 3 South] 3 South | 49932 | 4037 | 53969 | 7.48% | 17.07% |
140 | [BCSO TTY] Teletype | 514 | 351 | 865 | 40.58% | 48.28% |
143 | [BCSO VieraCt] Viera Courthouse | 36 | 2709 | 2745 | 98.69% | 100% |
154 | [BCSO EOps] East Operations | 21 | 3 | 24 | 12.50% | 21.43% |
155 | [BCSO SOps] South Operations | 78 | 53 | 131 | 40.46% | 28.57% |
161 | [BCSO County Wide] Countywide | 1104 | 103 | 1207 | 8.53% | 0% |
167 | [BCSO GameOver] GameOver | 8 | 64 | 72 | 88.89% | |
194 | [BC Air Ops 2] Air Ops 2 | 2 | 865 | 867 | 99.77% | 100% |
201 | [BCSO Alert 1] Alert 1 | 68 | 9 | 77 | 11.69% | |
202 | [BCSO Alert 2] Alert 2 | 2 | 11 | 13 | 84.62% | |
203 | [BCSO Alert 3] Alert 3 | 0 | 72 | 72 | 100% | |
204 | [BCSO Alert 4] Alert 4 | 66 | 12 | 78 | 15.38% | 100% |
206 | [BCSO Warrant] Warrants | 0 | 27 | 27 | 100% | |
233 | [BCSO 4 West] 4 West | 19835 | 7029 | 26864 | 26.17% | 48.43% |
259 | [West MLB PD] Police Dispatch | 3961 | 5 | 3966 | 0.13% | 0% |
395 | [BCFR Dispatch 3] Dispatch 3 District 60 | 3324 | 33 | 3357 | 0.98% | 0% |
399 | [BCFR Paging 80] Paging 80 | 1323 | 45 | 1368 | 3.29% | 8.06% |
407 | [BCFR Dispatch 4] Dispatch 4 District 80 | 15145 | 3891 | 19036 | 20.44% | 24.06% |
409 | [BCFR Tac 1] TAC 1 | 2758 | 695 | 3453 | 20.13% | |
410 | [BCFR Tac 3] TAC 3 | 53 | 11 | 64 | 17.19% | |
425 | [BCFR Tac 2] TAC 2 | 82 | 39 | 121 | 32.23% | |
435 | [BCFR Tac 57] TAC 57 Indialantic FD | 324 | 282 | 606 | 46.53% | 45.45% |
437 | [BCFR Tac 58] TAC 58 Melbourne Beach VFD | 149 | 159 | 308 | 51.62% | 57.14% |
441 | [Tac 55 Sat Bch] Tac 55 Fire Department | 873 | 1018 | 1891 | 53.83% | 43.18% |
442 | [IH Beach Tac 56] Tac 56 Fire Department | 308 | 476 | 784 | 60.71% | 70% |
451 | [Air Ops Medical] Air Ops Medical | 38 | 16 | 54 | 29.63% | |
466 | [BCFR Paging 40] Paging 40 | 7 | 6 | 13 | 46.15% | |
593 | 0 | 11 | 11 | 100% | ||
625 | [EMStoHRMC] Holmes Regional Medical Center | 12 | 0 | 12 | 0% | |
627 | [EMS to PMC] Parrish Medical Center | 85 | 0 | 85 | 0% | |
665 | [BC SCATS D 1] SCATS Dispatch 1 | 2279 | 0 | 2279 | 0% | |
765 | 21 | 0 | 21 | 0% | ||
777 | [Rck PD Patrol] Police Road Patrol | 70 | 14496 | 14566 | 99.52% | 100% |
925 | [TitusFD Primary] Fire Dispatch | 2 | 81 | 83 | 97.59% | |
929 | [TitusPD Ch 1] Police Ch 1 | 112 | 14676 | 14788 | 99.24% | 100% |
930 | [TitusPD Ch 2] Police Ch 2 | 2 | 11 | 13 | 84.62% | |
931 | [TitusPD Tele] Police Teletype | 5 | 841 | 846 | 99.41% | |
1033 | [Mel PD Tele] Police Teletype | 5082 | 8329 | 13411 | 62.11% | 99.85% |
1034 | [Mel PD Disp] Police Primary | 29111 | 20277 | 49388 | 41.06% | 99.84% |
1035 | [Mel PD TA] Police TalkAround | 22 | 65 | 87 | 74.71% | 100% |
1036 | [Mel PD SWAT] SWAT | 14 | 26 | 40 | 65% | 100% |
1065 | [Mel FD Disp] Fire Primary | 158 | 18283 | 18441 | 99.14% | 99.78% |
1066 | [Mel FD Tac 71] Fire Tactical 71 | 25 | 1241 | 1266 | 98.03% | 100% |
1161 | [PBPAT1] Police Patrol 1 North | 12631 | 38329 | 50960 | 75.21% | 99.90% |
1162 | [PBPAT2] Police Patrol 2 South | 10022 | 34846 | 44868 | 77.66% | 100% |
1163 | 16 | 118 | 134 | 88.06% | 100% | |
1164 | [PBTELE] Police Teletype | 3982 | 12822 | 16804 | 76.30% | 100% |
1170 | 2 | 420 | 422 | 99.53% | ||
1180 | [PBLOG] Police LOG | 848 | 2470 | 3318 | 74.44% | 100% |
1186 | [PBTACX] Police Tactical X | 99 | 1408 | 1507 | 93.43% | |
1202 | [PB Fire Tac 91] Palm Bay Fire Tac 91 | 446 | 714 | 1160 | 61.55% | 50% |
1203 | [PB FD Tac 92] Fire Tactical 92 | 22 | 51 | 73 | 69.86% | |
1289 | [IH Beach PD] Police Dispatch | 74 | 14671 | 14745 | 99.50% | 99.72% |
1290 | [Satellite Bch PD] Police Dispatch | 103 | 7021 | 7124 | 98.55% | 99.24% |
1291 | [Bch PD 3 Ind] Police Dispatch | 72 | 10652 | 10724 | 99.33% | 100% |
1292 | 21 | 31 | 52 | 59.62% | ||
1298 | [Bch PD 6 Sat] Police Ch 6 Satellite Beach Tactical | 2 | 177 | 179 | 98.88% | 100% |
1425 | [Cocoa PD Dispatc] Police Dispatch | 509 | 0 | 509 | 0% | 0% |
1449 | [Cocoa FD Primary] Fire Dispatch | 15 | 145 | 160 | 90.62% | |
1545 | [CB FD Primary] Fire Dispatch | 9 | 749 | 758 | 98.81% | 100% |
1546 | [CB FD Tac 50] Fire Tactical 50 | 0 | 22 | 22 | 100% | |
1548 | 2 | 128 | 130 | 98.46% | ||
1561 | [CB PD Disp] Police Dispatch Primary | 47 | 9023 | 9070 | 99.48% | 100% |
1562 | [CB PD Tac 1] Police Tactical 1 | 5 | 757 | 762 | 99.34% | 100% |
1938 | [Radio Service] Radio Service Testing | 0 | 29 | 29 | 100% |
yes, there are encrypted BCSO units on P25.
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There were 2 frequencies added to the north simulcast earlier this week. Updated in Database.
looks like there were updates to the database in the past 24-36 hours. Working fine for me in South Brevard
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I have puzzled why you use NAC.WACN while the industry convention is WACN.NAC. In fact, WACN.NAC order is used in the callsign to WACN and NAC calculator they sometimes used.
That was it. Some new frequencies were added to both the North and South Simulcast.
there is no reason, it's just the way it was chosen to lay out the master thread links in the forum. and, I do not have the desire to go change all the links and threads using the method that was used at the beginning of the forum re-org.
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I would not suggest going back and changing things but many of us will post in the standard industry order of WACN then NAC.
I think most people in the Industry would post in WACN then System ID. Within a system, NAC's can vary from site to site.
Tool to Calculate WACN & System ID or Call Sign
I found a great tool to calculate WACN and System ID based on Call Signs. I had found Eric's tool but it only went one way - WACN and System to Call. I was looking for a simple way to put in a Call and generate the WACN and System; the spec is a bit confusing to say the least.. I finally found...
Well it sounds like we'll loose listening to any Public Service agencies with the P25 Phase 2 system by the end of September. Wow, we're all going to have a bunch of useless radios.
The way I've read it, by leveraging the "power" of the advanced L3HARRIS TDMA network, with enhanced AES256 encryption, to insure secure mission critical communications, your public safery officials will be further protected from the ongoing and growing threat from domestic adversaries.
Well, at least that's how most of L3H marketing brochures seem to lay things out.
In short, now that they have advanced and secure mission crtical communications, (public safety) officer safety should no longer really be an issue and since their adversaries will no longer have the ability to escape or evade, as they once did by monitoring the network, crime should become almost non-existant.
Let's just see how things play out for now.😉
Well, at least that's how most of L3H marketing brochures seem to lay things out.
In short, now that they have advanced and secure mission crtical communications, (public safety) officer safety should no longer really be an issue and since their adversaries will no longer have the ability to escape or evade, as they once did by monitoring the network, crime should become almost non-existant.
Let's just see how things play out for now.😉
I agree wholeheartedly. I have 6 Uniden trunking scanners at the house I was using for analog and 3 GRE, and one SDS100 for digital/analog. If all I am going to be able to listen to is SCAT buses on anything it's time to post the whole lot up onto Ebay.
Only thing I can listen to (what it seems) in whole is Cocoa PD Dispatch - getting both sides of traffic. NOTE - THIS IS WITHOUT DIGITALLY MONITORING VIA SOFTWARE , just by what I hear. No need to swoop in and correct me.
They're jazzing up P25 Phase 2 and implying encryption is either mandatory or included. Marketing because there is nothing left to market. Moto has been pushing encryption lately too.
I was going to look at a Unication G5 once Brevard went P25 cause it would work well in the Florida areas (mostly Brevard) I frequent, and home in NH (almost all VHF). Might hold off with all the encryption potential. Hopefully, Indian River County Fire doesn't follow.
John M
My post was meant as just a spoof on and not the actual marketing lingo. However, it's not atypical to how technolgy is lobbied and pushed for (along with all kinds of implide "statistics" ) to be rolled out and implemented by many companies these days, in both the government and public safety sector markets. Those have been the most lucrative sectors for many of them in the last several years.
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