Can't get this radio workin

[noodlebot]

Ok the system you want to listen to is a trunked system. Read this link: Trunking Basics - The RadioReference Wiki for a quick lesson on what that means.

FCC compliant means nothing, you are in Canada, and the RF spectrum is managed, with in Canada, by Industry Canada.

You, based on your radio knowledge, or obvious lack there of, should get a scanner. Simply put, you do not posses the skills, nor will most people on this board, program a Motorola type 2 trunk radio for you.

While a Motorola radio, with the correct feature set, can be programmed to listen passively to the system you wish to listen to, can very easily be programmed wrong and will affiliate with the system. The chances of being triangulated are small, even if they know the radio is there.

I am guessing, simply because while I may have been born at night, I was not born last night, that you probably do not want to be caught in the act of what ever you are doing 'when you need to listen'. The bag you are reefering to is probably not a 'bug out' bag at all...

If you feel you must listen to the police you your self a favour and buy a scanner. You really have no need to have a transmit capable radio. Modern scanner are both smaller and lighter than most trunk system subscriber radios


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Thank you for explaining this to me reasonably. I understand it's easy to see where I *might* be coming from, some sort of fugutive l0l. My bug out bag is a camping bag, basically beef jerky and my guns and emergency supplies for when I go camping up north. I figured it'd be nice to have a handy walkie in there as well, but one with literally more then one use (walkie to walkie).
But thanks!

OK in plain English:

On a trunking system, EVERY radio has to be associated with the system in order to hear the system. When the radio is associated (affiliated) with the system, the radio has to have an ID number. You have to have permission from the person (or company or government agency) in charge of running the system in order to have a radio programmed (by them at a price probably) in order to hear the radio transmissions. They are probably NOT going to give anyone permission to have a radio on their system. IF you where to purchase a radio (usually $1,000's) to use on the system, then you would have to have the proper programming in order for it to work. And (just for the sake of argument) IF you were to somehow come across that programming-let's say not by going through the proper channels (getting permission and programmed by the radio techs)-and your radio ID number shows up in the system (either at the dispatch console or in the computer controlling the system) and if either the dispatch or the computer recognizes that your radio ID is not programmed to be on the system, then the system will "brick" your radio, basically making it as useful as a brick to listen to the system.

The best way to listen to a trunking system is to purchase a trunking capable scanner (ranging $200-$500) and programming it to the system you want to hear. That way you are not breaking any rules.

As far as the ham license goes, there are some areas that have laws against people not having a legitimate reason (firefighter, EMS, volunteer) or a ham license having a scanner or two-way radio in their vehicle. I am not familiar with laws in Canada, but I know here in Tennessee, it is illegal to have the scanner/radio in your car if you're a convicted felon or if you are committing a crime. I have seen police officers question people about having the scanner in their car, even though they were not breaking the law. But in the law it says it is OK to have the scanner/radio in the car IF you have a ham license (which I do and carry a copy of it with me everywhere I go, just in case).

So your best bet is to buy the trunking scanner unless you want to pay $1,000's for a radio, and try and get it programmed legally (which probably won't happen).

I hope this helps you understand what everyone else has been trying to explain to you.

However I'm not a radio nut and just want a simple handheld device.. Although I see where you're going. No - for what I'm doing, just about anyone should be able to do it and quite frankly it's a joke that it's not illegal or not encrypted already. I don't want to acquire knowledge in the field or take any night classes or anything like that. I'm not an enthusiast, I just wanted a radio for fun here.

Guessing there is other 'stuff' in there too. No I am not showing you what the subscriber subscriber radios look like, look on eBay of XTS 5000, or XTS 3000 or XTS 2500, you want a U band... If you can not figure that out, get a scanner. In most places accessing, or affiliatingto, a trunk network with out proper authorization is illegal, and can result in jail time, and very large fines. Also you WILL be on police radar for a LONG time, and they will really NOT like it. Some even feel this kind of stupidity leads to encryption, resulting in everyone not being able to listen.




The radio transmits a unique radio ID number that is assigned to it during the programming process, this number is unique to the radio, unless an unauthorized radio, improperly programmed, uses an already in use number. This can cause serious issues, even put people in danger. Also usually the offending RID is seen affiliating with talkgroups it should not be( IE a police RID showing up on transit talk groups, or fire talkgroups)

There are ways to force a subscriber radio to transmit, with out the 'owner of the radio' knowing. Triangulation is one method to locate the radio, another is time of arrival to get bearings to the transmitters location. Think LoJack... 4 antennas and a little display that shows the direction that the signal is coming from.




By not using a subscriber radio. Simple as that, get a scanner.




The radio's RID, that is assigned to it when the trunk personality is programmed. Well as long as you get a scanner you will not be doing anything wrong... Keep that in mind...


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Yes I understand, I have no reason to communicate back with whatever frequency and that has no use or value to me, I've just always wanted to be able to do this, and whilst alone or with friends and family it sure would be a cool thing to show off by the campfire, or listen to at night. I know there are online frequencies for this as well, but that's not what I want. Thanks for your help though! I'll be closing this thread, or requesting it to be closed if possible.

Everyone seem's to think I'm some sort of Jason X type character because I mentioned a bug out bag - maybe you guys should youtube or google bug out bags. I clearly stated I am a gun owner, so what else could be in there, and what are you guys expecting? I don't wanna know lol.

 

[SCPD]

I think people are just trying to help you spend your money or something more useful then a actual radio that only has one use. It has been posted before about people getting a two way and listening to a trunked with it then causing problems for the system most not intentionally. One story not to long back two emts attempted altering or changing talk groups on ems radios to monitor police talk groups. End result one was affiliated and then someone dug further found out who they were, both lost ther jobs, were arrested and fined and sent to prison, just for listening to a trunked radio system with a radio that managed to affiliate. Regardless if one passively gets by it can still manage to affiliate and do its sole purpose as designed. It isn't like a scanner. Even so passive is limited and your better off with a scanner. It's not a good idea and many system admins come here and watch. Regardless what one thinks it is propietary and would also fall under computer crimes. Your not jack x but can become that if a radio hits the system and you bet they make examples out of people and would be all over news.trunking is not a simple process and there's much to be learned with it it is not a plug and play. One error could hang a system up. Not to mention you posted your going to do it anyway and in event that system had a hang up I'm sure rr wouldn't have problem releasing to law enf what's been posted. People are trying to save you a bees nest you don't want to disturb is all. Harm or no harm. Trunking your better off with a scanner as you can monitor more talk groups and other types where one radio your limited and to one system. As said before there prob going to a more advanced system. Probable phase 2 as it's latest in sales. You'd be wasting money. I don't see why it hurts to have. A scanner that monitors what you want plus more and having those two hand helds you have to use.

 

[robertmac]

Isn't 138.46 a Connect Tone and not a frequency for York? So based on that, all the replies about a hand held scanner are correct.

 

[noodlebot]

I think people are just trying to help you spend your money or something more useful then a actual radio that only has one use. It has been posted before about people getting a two way and listening to a trunked with it then causing problems for the system most not intentionally. One story not to long back two emts attempted altering or changing talk groups on ems radios to monitor police talk groups. End result one was affiliated and then someone dug further found out who they were, both lost ther jobs, were arrested and fined and sent to prison, just for listening to a trunked radio system with a radio that managed to affiliate. Regardless if one passively gets by it can still manage to affiliate and do its sole purpose as designed. It isn't like a scanner. Even so passive is limited and your better off with a scanner. It's not a good idea and many system admins come here and watch. Regardless what one thinks it is propietary and would also fall under computer crimes. Your not jack x but can become that if a radio hits the system and you bet they make examples out of people and would be all over news.trunking is not a simple process and there's much to be learned with it it is not a plug and play. One error could hang a system up. Not to mention you posted your going to do it anyway and in event that system had a hang up I'm sure rr wouldn't have problem releasing to law enf what's been posted. People are trying to save you a bees nest you don't want to disturb is all. Harm or no harm. Trunking your better off with a scanner as you can monitor more talk groups and other types where one radio your limited and to one system. As said before there prob going to a more advanced system. Probable phase 2 as it's latest in sales. You'd be wasting money. I don't see why it hurts to have. A scanner that monitors what you want plus more and having those two hand helds you have to use.

I understand the legality of what I'm doing and I didn't come here for that information.I would advise RR to send all information they want to any law enforcement they wish.

"Not to mention you posted your going to do it anyway and in event that system had a hang up I'm sure rr wouldn't have problem releasing to law enf what's been posted."

So by logic, if writing something down on an online forum means I did it, it's totally true. I have not done anything wrong other then ask questions haha. Welcome to the internet, where everyone has a 9" penis and makes 80K a day.

I see how my "lack of knowledge" in the radio programming and radio networking fields can be humorous and seemingly easy to take advantage of for some. I'm a computer specialist and network pentester, however I have no time/patience to start learning anything really about radios. However it is really interesting. You all might just think I'm some child looking for a handheld device even when told not to, haha, but I for one know exactly what I'm doing and will not be breaking any federal or state laws.

As for the EMT story; this is familiar to me and my father was an EMS ambulance driver for 41 years before retiring.
I am familiar with how my father used to explain and demonstrate his radio to contact his colleagues and dispatch, but damn **** has changed since then. That being said, it makes no sense for an EMT/EMS to require to patch into a different frequency - he's being paid to do a job and simply be on the correct frequency, that few minutes they listen to a different frequency they could miss everything.

What that EMT/EMS should have been doing was experimenting with it in a non malicious matter in the safety of his own home, off hours.

Regardless I'm finished here, I thank you all for your input and comments. I will be getting one of the scanners but am still tempted towards a handheld device, but do not like having the option to transmit if not needed so the scanner is most ideal.

Thanks to all, I do not mean to sound rude in any of my posts. You were all helpful.

 

[svfd17]

I think a good resource for smartzone questions would be p25.ca

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[WB4CS]

I will be getting one of the scanners but am still tempted towards a handheld device, but do not like having the option to transmit if not needed so the scanner is most ideal.

Not sure if it was pointed out in this thread, but they do make handheld scanners

 

[665_NJ]

Getting to the point here.

Why does our friend here want to get an actual 2 way radio to listen to the PD rather than a hand held scanner no matter what type of system he is planning on to monitor? IMHO it's ATTENTION, whether that attention is positive or negative remains to be seen. I think our friend here thinks it would be just so "cool" to show off and impress his circle of friends and family, hey I have an actual radio tuned into the police.
This would make our friend here the center of attention for awhile.
Note, I am not picking on our friend here, but just pointing out something from what I have read in this thread.
I can identify with this issue, many, many years ago I and my cousin in our early 20's had 2 Motorola HT220s. The were UHF 2 ch tuned a Cab Dispatch frequency and there was always activity on the frequency. So when ever we stopped in a Dunkin Doughnuts or a diner, the attractive hostesses, waitresses or young ladies coming in thought we were plain cloths detectives. What an ego rush! We used those HT 220 radios to garnish attention to ourselves especially that of women our age. It worked some what, but we matured out of that phase, got our amateur licensees. Our occupations and volunteer public safety service too placed us into the world of professional radio to the point we did not have to impress or attract attention from anyone.
Its a phase, just be careful and do the right thing. By the way, you will get similar attention (if you are actually looking for that), with a pocket scanner! :roll:

Max

 

[noodlebot]

Why does our friend here want to get an actual 2 way radio to listen to the PD rather than a hand held scanner no matter what type of system he is planning on to monitor? IMHO it's ATTENTION, whether that attention is positive or negative remains to be seen. I think our friend here thinks it would be just so "cool" to show off and impress his circle of friends and family, hey I have an actual radio tuned into the police.
This would make our friend here the center of attention for awhile.
Note, I am not picking on our friend here, but just pointing out something from what I have read in this thread.
I can identify with this issue, many, many years ago I and my cousin in our early 20's had 2 Motorola HT220s. The were UHF 2 ch tuned a Cab Dispatch frequency and there was always activity on the frequency. So when ever we stopped in a Dunkin Doughnuts or a diner, the attractive hostesses, waitresses or young ladies coming in thought we were plain cloths detectives. What an ego rush! We used those HT 220 radios to garnish attention to ourselves especially that of women our age. It worked some what, but we matured out of that phase, got our amateur licensees. Our occupations and volunteer public safety service too placed us into the world of professional radio to the point we did not have to impress or attract attention from anyone.
Its a phase, just be careful and do the right thing. By the way, you will get similar attention (if you are actually looking for that), with a pocket scanner! :roll:

Max

Not sure what was up with you in your past, but if you don't know my situation then you really should not assume that I'm doing stupid **** like you chose to. I need something to go in a backpack discreetly.
I'm not in your shoes, whatever your grand plan was, and clearly something is wrong with the attitude of the users of this forum. It's not a sport guys, grow up.

I have accomplished what I was meaning to do thanks to some responses here. But the rest of you are idiots lol.

 

[svfd17]

Not sure what was up with you in your past, but if you don't know my situation then you really should not assume that I'm doing stupid **** like you chose to. I need something to go in a backpack discreetly.
I'm not in your shoes, whatever your grand plan was, and clearly something is wrong with the attitude of the users of this forum. It's not a sport guys, grow up.

I have accomplished what I was meaning to do thanks to some responses here. But the rest of you are idiots lol.

Lol good one! Yup, that's us, idiots.

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[scannermanner1]

a lot of you guys do not understand..... I carry a two way radio to listen to a police department and fire and it is programed to key up on all of there repeaters!!!! there is a lot of reasons why I choose a two way radio versus a scanner..... first reason is it receives a lot better than a scanner second it is more rugged than a scanner battery lasts longer and on and on....... sure a scanner will listen to more stuff and that's why I carry both!

 

[mule1075]

a lot of you guys do not understand..... I carry a two way radio to listen to a police department and fire and it is programed to key up on all of there repeaters!!!! there is a lot of reasons why I choose a two way radio versus a scanner..... first reason is it receives a lot better than a scanner second it is more rugged than a scanner battery lasts longer and on and on....... sure a scanner will listen to more stuff and that's why I carry both!

I hope this is a joke post if not I will report you to the proper authorities myself.

 

[mikewazowski]

I think this thread serves no useful purpose anymore. The OP got his answer so I'll lock it before it gets any worse than it already is.