Comcast is turning your home router into a public Wi-Fi hotspot
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CapStar362
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mind telling me which company this is? why, would they disable the WiFi of both 2.4 and 5.0 ( not 5.8 BTW )GHz and not allow the user to control them?
never said comcast is the ONLY company.... just the most prominent one.
" Multimedia over Coax Alliance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "
look at who is on the BoD - Comcast
look at also who is in this list, that is now Owned by Comcast or is either in acquisition by Comcast!!
The Whole List:
Promoters (Board of Directors): Arris, Broadcom, Cisco, Comcast, Cox Communications, DirecTV, Echostar, Entropic Communications, Intel, Verizon.
Contributors: Alcatel-Lucent, ComplexIQ, MStar Semiconductor, Pace, STMicroelectronics, Technicolor, Time Warner Cable, ViXS Systems.
Associates: Actiontec, ADB, CableLabs, Cal Comp, Cogeco, D-Link, Hitron Technologies, Holland Electronics, Huawei, Humax, JDSU, Jebsee, LG, Macom, Marvell, MaxLinear, MultiChoice, NDS, Netgear, NXP, PPC, PDI Communications, Prime, Sagemcom, Samsung, SMC Networks, Spirent, TiVo, Ubee Interactive, Unihan, WITS Corporation, WNC, Zinwell, ZTE, ZyXEL.
i see 2 names, now associated as Comcast Owned in that list. the most obvious... TWC
your last comment: I also didn't want to be a "host" site for their public network without some kind of compensation (other than being ripped for cable a little less).
sorry doesnt work that way, it doesnt allow compensation for "Public" Advertising through secondary IP's not tying to your private account. they are not using YOUR privately owned bandwidth.... they are not even attached to your privately owned IP. they are simply broadcasting service in that area by means of giving a email to spam the guest with, you have a email and want to try their service, good, you get 24 hours to use it, see how you like, then its cut off. if you want more, you pay THEM as a ISP more......
never said comcast is the ONLY company.... just the most prominent one.
" Multimedia over Coax Alliance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "
look at who is on the BoD - Comcast
look at also who is in this list, that is now Owned by Comcast or is either in acquisition by Comcast!!
The Whole List:
Promoters (Board of Directors): Arris, Broadcom, Cisco, Comcast, Cox Communications, DirecTV, Echostar, Entropic Communications, Intel, Verizon.
Contributors: Alcatel-Lucent, ComplexIQ, MStar Semiconductor, Pace, STMicroelectronics, Technicolor, Time Warner Cable, ViXS Systems.
Associates: Actiontec, ADB, CableLabs, Cal Comp, Cogeco, D-Link, Hitron Technologies, Holland Electronics, Huawei, Humax, JDSU, Jebsee, LG, Macom, Marvell, MaxLinear, MultiChoice, NDS, Netgear, NXP, PPC, PDI Communications, Prime, Sagemcom, Samsung, SMC Networks, Spirent, TiVo, Ubee Interactive, Unihan, WITS Corporation, WNC, Zinwell, ZTE, ZyXEL.
i see 2 names, now associated as Comcast Owned in that list. the most obvious... TWC
your last comment: I also didn't want to be a "host" site for their public network without some kind of compensation (other than being ripped for cable a little less).
sorry doesnt work that way, it doesnt allow compensation for "Public" Advertising through secondary IP's not tying to your private account. they are not using YOUR privately owned bandwidth.... they are not even attached to your privately owned IP. they are simply broadcasting service in that area by means of giving a email to spam the guest with, you have a email and want to try their service, good, you get 24 hours to use it, see how you like, then its cut off. if you want more, you pay THEM as a ISP more......
kayn1n32008
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Well then they can PAY for the power the device uses to provide that "public" service... I would never allow a company to use my modem to provide service to people. Why the hell would I want a company to allow others, others that I do not know, or want using my WI-FI(even if they are not using 'my' bandwidth) it is not like they are compensating me for the energy I'm paying for to let strangers use their service.
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CapStar362
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i could theoretically see the "power" part.
the wifi though, again, its not even a part of your wifi even.
for the Comcast Xfinity Gateway's it works like this:
for most of these gateway's you will see 2 or 3 discreet SSID's one is going to be the public MoCA based 2.4 GHz Wifi-N. fixed to "xfinitywifi" and CANNOT be user edited.
then come your two WiFi's, in both 2.4 and 5.0 GHz bands, user controlled, and user maintained.
notice there are 2 discreet WiFi SSID's per band for certain models when the 5.0 GHz is turned on for public and private.
one of my customers has a business class gateway, there are 2x 2.4GHz SSID's being broadcasted and 2x 5.0 GHz SSID's being broadcasted from HER business gateway. one of those 2.4 and 5.0 are her PRIVATE SSID's and 2 of those are Comcast's "Ad for Public" SSID's both respectively titled "xfinitywifi" but add a 5 for the 5.0 GHz band.
her WiFi, has a private name and WPA2 AES Enabled for both 24. and 5.0 GHz Bands.
the name of the public Wifi nets? xfinity & xfinity5 first being the 2.4 and second being the 5.0 band. they are both separated from eachother with no possible way to connect to eachother by means of V-LAN IP's. the firmware specifically prevents any cross talk from private to public and vise versa.
when you connect to the xifnity, want to take a stab at what your gateway IP is going to be? it wont even resolve a Comcast IP, but a GOOGLE AD Server IP!! <-- interesting ?
your Private network though... WILL resolve to the IP provided by Comcast that is local to your area.
your comment:
"Why the hell would I want a company to allow others, others that I do not know, or want using my WI-FI(even if they are not using 'my' bandwidth) "
does not apply, they are not even connecting to "YOUR" WiFi either.
honestly, you don't even own the device. you rent it, thus whatever TOS/EULA comes with it, INCLUDING providing that public WiFi, you have no choice about it. if you dont want it, get your own devices that comply with their approved list of network gear.
go ahead, argue that with them, see how fast they cut ALL your service off without warning, and flag your account and address for "Violation and Non-Compliance of written legal TOS" once you get that "flag" on your name, social, current address...whatever they choose to mark it on, your done you will NEVER get service from them again. they stick a large full spectrum scrambler on your drop line at the street ( or CO Box for condo/apartment ) take it off, let them find out.... you probably know what comes next, those metal things they call handcuffs.
the wifi though, again, its not even a part of your wifi even.
for the Comcast Xfinity Gateway's it works like this:
for most of these gateway's you will see 2 or 3 discreet SSID's one is going to be the public MoCA based 2.4 GHz Wifi-N. fixed to "xfinitywifi" and CANNOT be user edited.
then come your two WiFi's, in both 2.4 and 5.0 GHz bands, user controlled, and user maintained.
notice there are 2 discreet WiFi SSID's per band for certain models when the 5.0 GHz is turned on for public and private.
one of my customers has a business class gateway, there are 2x 2.4GHz SSID's being broadcasted and 2x 5.0 GHz SSID's being broadcasted from HER business gateway. one of those 2.4 and 5.0 are her PRIVATE SSID's and 2 of those are Comcast's "Ad for Public" SSID's both respectively titled "xfinitywifi" but add a 5 for the 5.0 GHz band.
her WiFi, has a private name and WPA2 AES Enabled for both 24. and 5.0 GHz Bands.
the name of the public Wifi nets? xfinity & xfinity5 first being the 2.4 and second being the 5.0 band. they are both separated from eachother with no possible way to connect to eachother by means of V-LAN IP's. the firmware specifically prevents any cross talk from private to public and vise versa.
when you connect to the xifnity, want to take a stab at what your gateway IP is going to be? it wont even resolve a Comcast IP, but a GOOGLE AD Server IP!! <-- interesting ?
your Private network though... WILL resolve to the IP provided by Comcast that is local to your area.
your comment:
"Why the hell would I want a company to allow others, others that I do not know, or want using my WI-FI(even if they are not using 'my' bandwidth) "
does not apply, they are not even connecting to "YOUR" WiFi either.
honestly, you don't even own the device. you rent it, thus whatever TOS/EULA comes with it, INCLUDING providing that public WiFi, you have no choice about it. if you dont want it, get your own devices that comply with their approved list of network gear.
go ahead, argue that with them, see how fast they cut ALL your service off without warning, and flag your account and address for "Violation and Non-Compliance of written legal TOS" once you get that "flag" on your name, social, current address...whatever they choose to mark it on, your done you will NEVER get service from them again. they stick a large full spectrum scrambler on your drop line at the street ( or CO Box for condo/apartment ) take it off, let them find out.... you probably know what comes next, those metal things they call handcuffs.
kayn1n32008
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Regardless, they are allowing the public to use the AP, that I would be providing power to... Yea, would never happen, would deal with SAT service, or WISP before I would allow them to let anyone use the AP I provide power to.
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lgentle
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I'd love to know how much money this device costs you a month in electricity. :roll:
kayn1n32008
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The actual cost is not relevant, it is the principle of the whole idea of paying the company to have a public AP in your house...
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lgentle
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Then, like so many others have stated in this post......BUY YOUR OWN STUFF & STOP COMPLAINING.:evil:
This thread should be closed.
This thread should be closed.
CapStar362
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agreed. im done arguing this... i laid it out in plain as i could english....
NSA comes to mind.
CapStar362
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what would the NSA ( though i think i know why your presenting that ) have anything to do with MAoC?
Just one more way they can monitor everyone's activity.
CapStar362
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true.... but this was a MAoC based project. which apparently Comcast is one of the leading BoD ( Board of Directors ) of.
lgentle
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Class Action lawsuit......who saw this coming? *hand raised*
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/comcast-lawsuit-modem-xfinity-hotspt,28191.html#xtor=RSS-980
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/comcast-lawsuit-modem-xfinity-hotspt,28191.html#xtor=RSS-980
CapStar362
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returns a 404 error for me., ill google it
CapStar362
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Lawsuit filed over Comcast’s residential public Wi-Fi hotspots [Updated] - TechBlog
Remember back in June, when Comcast began lighting up a network of public Wi-Fi hotspots generated by its residential customers’ Xfinity modems without first asking their permission? Some customers had concerns about privacy and bandwidth issues, and now there’s been a class action lawsuit filed in a San Francisco federal court over Comcast’s practice.
sorry, but the people filing this lawsuit are stupid. there is NO WAY a single router can cause a 30-40% increase in Electricity bill. they are just looking for a good Christmas and ways to troll others. Comcast will burn them.
second, that MAoC is a private VLAN, that specifically FORBIDS 100% any cross talk from the MAoC to the account holders private LAN. even IF it is the same router, the VLAN is strictly isolated.
third, if anyone had any common sense its written right on the webpage for Comcast's FAQ's - How to turn off the public WiFi "Xfinity WiFi"
XFINITY WiFi: Enable or Disable Home Hotspot in My Account
Fourth - they DO NOT slow down the account holders private net.... hell they don't even resolve to Comcast Nodes! connect to a XFinity WiFi and resolve the WAN Gateway IP..... $1,000 - right now! i bet you hit a Google Ad CDN Server as the reflected IP .........
Remember back in June, when Comcast began lighting up a network of public Wi-Fi hotspots generated by its residential customers’ Xfinity modems without first asking their permission? Some customers had concerns about privacy and bandwidth issues, and now there’s been a class action lawsuit filed in a San Francisco federal court over Comcast’s practice.
sorry, but the people filing this lawsuit are stupid. there is NO WAY a single router can cause a 30-40% increase in Electricity bill. they are just looking for a good Christmas and ways to troll others. Comcast will burn them.
second, that MAoC is a private VLAN, that specifically FORBIDS 100% any cross talk from the MAoC to the account holders private LAN. even IF it is the same router, the VLAN is strictly isolated.
third, if anyone had any common sense its written right on the webpage for Comcast's FAQ's - How to turn off the public WiFi "Xfinity WiFi"
XFINITY WiFi: Enable or Disable Home Hotspot in My Account
Fourth - they DO NOT slow down the account holders private net.... hell they don't even resolve to Comcast Nodes! connect to a XFinity WiFi and resolve the WAN Gateway IP..... $1,000 - right now! i bet you hit a Google Ad CDN Server as the reflected IP .........
w2xq
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Comcast sued over public WiFi in customer homes
Mom and daughter SUE Comcast for 'smuggling' public Wi-Fi hotspot into their home
The current version of Comcast router now broadcast a secondary open WiFi signal available to any customer with an Xfinity account. Theorectically anyone in range can make use of the free service. The open secondary signal broadcasts on the same channel as the password-protected channel.
The lawsuit, attached as a PDF, is an interesting read. In addition to the privacy breech, the plaintiffs allege WiFi signal degradation due to multiple signals on the same channel. I'd like to have more transparent control over my router's open channel.
I doubt this lawsuit will go anywhere -- David versus Goliath -- but it might be interesting for a while.
Mom and daughter SUE Comcast for 'smuggling' public Wi-Fi hotspot into their home
The current version of Comcast router now broadcast a secondary open WiFi signal available to any customer with an Xfinity account. Theorectically anyone in range can make use of the free service. The open secondary signal broadcasts on the same channel as the password-protected channel.
The lawsuit, attached as a PDF, is an interesting read. In addition to the privacy breech, the plaintiffs allege WiFi signal degradation due to multiple signals on the same channel. I'd like to have more transparent control over my router's open channel.
I doubt this lawsuit will go anywhere -- David versus Goliath -- but it might be interesting for a while.
cpfinlay
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I wasn't happy about how they approached this and I had it disabled the day it was turned on at my house, but this is a frivolous lawsuit. You can sign on into their website and disable it. You can also call them and have it disabled.
You might as well sue Google or Apple for tracking you with your phone.
You might as well sue Google or Apple for tracking you with your phone.
I was wondering when someone was going to sue over it.
I wonder if the Comcast Internet service agreement allows Comcast to do this, provided that the customer's router is rented from Comcast. If it does, then the plaintiffs are stuck.
I wonder if the Comcast Internet service agreement allows Comcast to do this, provided that the customer's router is rented from Comcast. If it does, then the plaintiffs are stuck.
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