Commenco Connect+

[Phillipsc84]

Have been trying to do some tracking of this system and would like to start a discussion in case anyone else out there has info they can add.

 

[N9PBD]

Have been trying to do some tracking of this system and would like to start a discussion in case anyone else out there has info they can add.

Can you post a link to the system you're talking about? Commenco has tons of liceneses in Missouri.

 

[Phillipsc84]

I'm sorry, I should have included that. It's this one:

https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=9730

The DMR Con+ system is only listed in Jackson Co so far.

 

[N9PBD]

No worries. I'm on the wrong end of the state for that one, although I do travel to the KCMO area, since my daughter and granddaughter live there. I'll add it to my scan list for when I visit there.

 

[Phillipsc84]

To sort of give a starting point to collaborate Here is what I have so far. This has all been monitored from the KCMO/KCK area near Riverside.

System 153 (Con+)

-----Site 3-----
452.3375 CC4
451.9875 CC1
451.8375 CC1
461.2750 CC1

-LCN order-
1 454.1750 CC1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
--------------------

-----Site 4-----
1 463.9250 CC1 - KKG486,WQCI800
2 462.4500 CC1 - KKG486,WQCI800
3
4 463.3500 CC1 - KKG486,WQCI800
5 464.4500 CC1 - WQCI800,WQCQ664
6
7 452.2125 CC1* - WPPC309,WPMU736,WQCY475
8 461.7500 CC1 - WPIW775,WQCI800
9 451.9375 CC1 - WPPC309,WPMU736,WQCY475
10 451.3250 CC1 - WQCI802
------------------

-----Site 6-----
462.150 CC1
461.775 CC1
462.1375 CC1

-LCN Order-
1
2
3
4
5
6
------------------

-----Site 42-----
463.8500 CC3
463.8375 CC3

 

[wbloss]

Have been trying to do some tracking of this system and would like to start a discussion in case anyone else out there has info they can add.

I have been working on this for a while also!
Let's compare:

Here's what I have, several caveats:
- All are DMR, most heard freqs have talkgroups in the 600,0000 range, like 6100001, some in the 2000000 eg, TG 2001165
- I have logged over 100 TGs, 90% are 600,0000 series
- 95% of all RIDS stay in one TG, I have tracked a few RIDs on multiple TGs
- RIDs relate to a "home" tg for example TG 6103004 has radios 5103019, 5103027 etc
- I am in Joplin, about 150 miles from KC and do not hear these daily only on...
- SUmmer tropo openings bring in many of these
- I do visit KC occasionally and record on my TRX-2
- the "KC-1" and "KC-12" etc. is just my number in freq order of heard/logged freqs that have same style of TGs. Some clearly are Commenco, some I cannot find a license and may be leased freqs.S1 S2 and CC are slots and color codes. All mostly plain, no CCs above 1 or 2
- If a freq is listed on a Commenco (Cmnco abbrev) license but I have not heard it yet, "nh" means not heard
- unfortunately, the info from the spreadsheet does not line up below - RR does not take space padding


I also have a monster Spreadsheet with what TGs have shown up on what freq and what RIDs on what TG
Here are the heard and licensed but not (yet) heard Freqs. I do NOT know Logical numbers, only using TRX2 not DSD (yet)

KC-1 451.3250 WQCI802 Cmnco Scc1 same TGs
nh - Per Lic 451.3500 WQCI800 Cmnco
KC-2 451.5000 S1 S2cc1
nh - Per Lic 451.7250 WQCI800 Cmnco
nh - Per Lic 451.8750 WQCI802 Cmnco
nh - Per Lic 451.9125 WPPC309 Cmnco
KC-3 451.9375 WPPC309 Cmnco S1 S2cc1
KC-4 452.1250 WPPC309 & WQCI802 Cmnco S2 cc1 nh 11/22/17, h10/3
KC-5 452.2125 Cmnco Site 4 per RR S1cc2
nh - Per Lic 452.2500 WQCI800 Cmnco
KC-6 452.2625 WPPC309 Cmnco S2cc1
KC-7 453.0125 WQDY433 Cmnco S1cc2
KC-8 454.6375 S2cc3,1, def; mebbe 15?
KC-9 454.6500 S1,2cc1
KC-10 461.2250 S2cc1
nh - Per Lic 461.2750 WQCI800 Cmnco
nh - Per Lic 461.3500 WQCI802 Cmnco
KC-11 461.4750 S1 S2cc1
KC-12 461.6875 S1 S2cc1
KC-13 461.7125 WQFE285 Cmnco S1cc1
nh - Per Lic 461.7250 WQDY433 Cmnco
KC-14 461.7500 WQCI800 Cmnco S1,2cc1
nh - Per Lic 461.775 WQCI800 Cmnco
KC-15 461.8250 ?WQPH727 Communicaion Eq Holdingss S1 c1
KC-16 461.8375 WQVY680 Cmnco Hrsnvl S1, S2cc3 , cc1
KC-17 461.8875 S2, cc1
nh - Per Lic 461.9000 WQDY433&WQCI800 Cmnco
KC-18 461.9750 S2 cc1
nh - Per Lic 462.0625 WQFE285 Cmnco
nh - Per Lic 462.1250 WQDY433 Cmnco
nh - Per Lic 462.1500 WQDY433 Cmnco
nh - Per Lic 462.1625 WQVY680
nh - Per Lic 462.3250 WQCI800 Cmnco
KC-19 462.4500 WQCI800 Cmnco S1,2cc1
nh - Per Lic 463.2250 WQCI800 Cmnco
KC-20 463.2375 S1,cc1
KC-21 463.2625 S1,2 cc2 nh 11/21-22?
KC-22 463.3500 WQCI800 Cmnco S1,cc1
KC-23 463.5250 WQCI802 Cmnco hrd b4? NOT 10/3, NOT 11/22
nh - Per Lic 463.550 WQCI800 Cmnco
KC-24 463.6125 WQFE285 Cmnco S1, cc1
nh - Per Lic 463.6500 WQDY433 Cmnco
KC-25 463.6625 WQVY680 Cmnco S1 S2cc1
nh - Per Lic 463.6750 WQDY433 Cmnco
nh - Per Lic 463.7625 WQFE285 Cmnco
KC-26 463.9250 WQCI800 Cmnco S1cc1, same TGs
KC-27 464.0250 WQDY433 Cmnco S2, cc1
KC-28 464.4500 WQCI800 Cmnco S1cc1, same TGs
KC-29 464.6375 S2 cc2
KC-30 464.7125 WQFE285 Cmnco S1, cc1
nh - Per Lic 464.7250 WQDY433 Cmnco
KC-31 464.7375 WQVY680 Cmnco S1,2 cc3, cc1

 

[wirr]

Here are my notes:

System 153 Con+ Midwest Mobile, KS/MO/IA (Midwest’s map labeled MotoNet); also Commenco

Site 14 Bethany/Harrison MO 463.6375 c1 463.775 c1? NL 2 20 23 33 35 43 WPWX533 Midwest Mobile
Site 15 Chillicothe/Livingston MO 462.0375 c1 NL 2 19 33 40 41 WQBX509 Midwest Mobile
Site 17 Milan or Trenton? MO 454.6250 c1 NL 15 20 24 33
Site 19 Carrollton/Carroll MO 464.2500 c1 NL 15 21 22 39 40 WQBR757 Midwest Mobile
Site 20 Sun Valley Lak/Ringgold IA 461.4125 c3 461.7625 c1 cc NL 14 17 24 33 46 WQMY409 Midwest Mobile
Site 22 Marceline/Linn MO 452.9875 c1 NL 15 17 24 40 41 WQFU528 MM
Site 24 Martinstown/Putnam MO 451.2875 c1 NL 17 20 22 23 41 “
Site 35 King City/Gentry MO 461.6125 c2 NL 1 2 10 14 23 WPUS207 “
Site 40 Brunswick/Chariton MO 462.5125 c1 NL 15 19 21 22 41 WQFU528 “
Site 41 Linneus/Linn MO 451.6625 c1 NL 15 17 22 33 40 “
Site 43 Jameson/Daviess MO 451.4500 c1 NL 2 14 15 20 33 WQAQ337 “
Site 46 heard from s of Osceola IA 463.9375 c1 NL 14 20 23 33 35 no license found

Talkgroups
TG 56 on Site 20 RIDs 5605 5611 5642 5671

Licensed Freqs
Leavenworth/Leaven. MO 451.050 461.075 461.150 461.225 461.475 461.775 462.1375 FB8 462.1625 464.075 464.150 464.200
KCI Kansas City/Platte MO 451.500 461.075 461.150 461.225 464.075 FB8 464.150 464.8375 FB8 WPDV739 MM
Rushville/Buchanan MO 461.6875 462.1375 FB8 462.1625 FB8 463.4375 FB8 “ “
St Joseph/Buchanan MO 452.300 461.825 461.8875 FB8 461.975 463.225 463.2375 FB8 463.300 464.350 464.900 “
St Joseph/Buchanan MO 461.8875 FB8 461.975 463.225 463.300 463.9625 FB8 WPEZ421 “
Moberly/Randolph MO 461.5875 463.2375 WQYA823 “

Sites labeled on Midwest Mobile’s map:
KS: Atchison, Barclay, Bott, Emporia, Hiawatha, Junction City, Lawrence, Leavenworth, Louisburg, Manhattan, McLouth, N Topeka, S Topeka, Ottawa,
KS or MO?: KCI, 11th & Oak, CH50
MO: Bethany, Brunswick, Cameron, Carrollton, Chapel Hill, Chilllicothe, Elmo, Grant City, Hamburg, Harrisonville, Jameson, King City, Lathrop, Linneus, Marcaline, Martinstown, Maryville, Mercer, Milan, Milville, Moberly, Mound City, Rock Port, St Joseph, Trenton, Warrensburg, Wood Heights

 

[wbloss]

So the "overarching" system is called MotoNet?
And the Moto shops affiliate with that to make interop/wide area?
I had wondered if St Joe was part of the system, thanks for these notes!
(GOTTA get a DSD...)
W

 

[AC0RV]

Madison County Update

Here's an update for Madison County (at least from my point of view).

Its seems that for the DMR side of things has the following agencies using it :

Fredericktown PD (even though I was told that they were encrypted. I hear them in the Clear)
Frederctown School District
Madison County EMS

I was told by one of the Cherokee Pass VFD members that They were DMR Capable. But since the Marquand VFD was also using the same repeater. So they are not using it at the moment.

I would like help from some of the members who may be living in the area or be monitoring Madison County for help on Id'd some of TGIDs and UIDs for the above agencies.

Also does anyone has a list of Rig types and rig number (ie Engine 1,etc) used by either Cherokee Pass or Marquand VFDs ?

That all for the moment. When I get some more info. I will pass it along.

Big thanks for all the help.

 

[BigC801]

Commenco, Midwest mobile Net 153 and TBS electronics Net 133 ( Topeka and Manhattan ) are all together in one big roaming system.

Most of the Licensed Freqs on a tower do not match up with what is on each active site.

this system is a pain to find do to that, I used DSD and searched for active channels with the site number i was looking for.


Here is site 3 Phillipsc84


Site 3 Olathe Bott NL 4 6 7 25 29
451.8375 cc 01 con * 09 LCN 17 18
451.9875 cc 01 Con * 02 LCN 03 04
452.3375 cc 04 Con * 08 LCN 15 16
452.3625 cc 02 Con * 07 LCN 13 14
452.7250 cc 01 Con * 06 LCN 11 12
454.1750 cc 01 Con * 01 LCN 01 02
461.2750 cc 01 Con * 03 LCN 05 06
461.5500 cc 01 Con 05 LCN 09 10
462.1000 cc 01 Con 04 LCN 07 08

 

[Phillipsc84]

This is good info everyone. I’m glad I got this conversation going. One thing I keep seeing on systems like these is the use of unlicensed frequencies in the 454 MHz paging range. Seems to be popular with these companies to grab from them to fill in extra frequencies when needed.


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[Phillipsc84]

Site 3 Olathe Bott NL 4 6 7 25 29
451.8375 cc 01 con * 09 LCN 17 18
451.9875 cc 01 Con * 02 LCN 03 04
452.3375 cc 04 Con * 08 LCN 15 16
452.3625 cc 02 Con * 07 LCN 13 14
452.7250 cc 01 Con * 06 LCN 11 12
454.1750 cc 01 Con * 01 LCN 01 02
461.2750 cc 01 Con * 03 LCN 05 06
461.5500 cc 01 Con 05 LCN 09 10
462.1000 cc 01 Con 04 LCN 07 08

Thank you for this info. I’ll try to compile it all and get it submitted.



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[bctrainers]

Commenco, Midwest mobile Net 153 and TBS electronics Net 133 ( Topeka and Manhattan ) are all together in one big roaming system.

Most of the Licensed Freqs on a tower do not match up with what is on each active site.

this system is a pain to find do to that, I used DSD and searched for active channels with the site number i was looking for.


Here is site 3 Phillipsc84


Site 3 Olathe Bott NL 4 6 7 25 29
451.8375 cc 01 con * 09 LCN 17 18
451.9875 cc 01 Con * 02 LCN 03 04
452.3375 cc 04 Con * 08 LCN 15 16
452.3625 cc 02 Con * 07 LCN 13 14
452.7250 cc 01 Con * 06 LCN 11 12
454.1750 cc 01 Con * 01 LCN 01 02
461.2750 cc 01 Con * 03 LCN 05 06
461.5500 cc 01 Con 05 LCN 09 10
462.1000 cc 01 Con 04 LCN 07 08

454.1750 coming in quite strong here in southern Johnson County KS. Sounds like it's the overall control frequency for that range given here. 100% decode rate at 67 RSSI, but not getting any activity... yet.

 

[BigC801]

454.1750 coming in quite strong here in southern Johnson County KS. Sounds like it's the overall control frequency for that range given here. 100% decode rate at 67 RSSI, but not getting any activity... yet.

It normally decodes well for me up here in the northland but not today the 450-460 band is going nuts, I can't get it to decode much, Site 4 and 5 are doing fine.

 

[wbloss]

This is good info everyone. I’m glad I got this conversation going. One thing I keep seeing on systems like these is the use of unlicensed frequencies in the 454 MHz paging range. Seems to be popular with these companies to grab from them to fill in extra frequencies when needed.


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454 MHz is not unlicensed - do you know how to look up the Part 22 data on the FCC site?
W

 

[Phillipsc84]

454 MHz is not unlicensed - do you know how to look up the Part 22 data on the FCC site?

W

Yes, thank you. Wrong wording. It’s licensed but differently than the other frequencies at those sites.


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[mtindor]

To sort of give a starting point to collaborate Here is what I have so far. This has all been monitored from the KCMO/KCK area near Riverside.

Forgive me for chiming in. I'm:
(1) an interloper -- I live in Ohio and know nothing about KS/MO
(2) always curious about wide area TRBO systems
(3) into creating Google maps of licenses / locations associated with said wide area systems

I'm curious if you have the capability of obtaining site neighbors from the sites you can hear (likely using SDR# + DSDPlus or FMP+DSDPlus with a dongle or airspy). To make the question more brief, do you have the capability of monitoring with SDR software and an RTL dongle, or are you using a scanner to monitor.

I ask because the neighbor site information broadcast on the control channel is often very handy to have, when it is being broadcast and when the listener has the capability to monitor the control channel with an applicable program such as DSDPlus.

From the reports many of you all posted here, along with looking up frequencies / FCC licenses / mapping locations / looking at site neighbors advertised on sites, below is what I suspect thus far. Take it with a grain of salt, from an outsider who is relying upon information that may not be totally accurate as of Jan 2018.

The coverage maps I've seen a little, depending upon whether it's Commenco or MWRS. So far it looks like about 46 sites (only 45 listed on the MWRS map, but the Eagleville site would be 46).

Connect Plus Digital Trunking Coverage | Midwest Mobile
https://commenco.com/coverage/

3 BOTT
4 CH50
6 LEAVENWORTH
14 BETHANY
15 CHILLICOTHE
17 MILAN
19 CARROLLTON
20 MERCER
22 MARCELINE
24 MARTINSTOWN
33 TRENTON
35 KING CITY
40 BRUNSWICK
41 LINNEUS
43 JAMESON
46 EAGLEVILLE

Milan / Mercer / Trenton were determined based upon site neighbors that they were reporting as well as neighboring sites reporting those three sites as neighbors. The noted frequencies that people posted here for those sites were on multiple licenses. It's a very good bet that the sites are as I have listed them, but if not then perhaps Milan, Mercer and/or Trenton may be mixed up.

I have a Google Map I'm not quite ready to share yet -- it'd be confusing, since i have licenses for COMMENCO, MWRS, TBS ELECTRONICS and TFMCOMM (since they all have one or more sites in areas listed on the map). But I will make it available sometime soon as long as a text file I've made up of information I've compiled here and from FCC records. Shucks, I'll share the map now. But if you don't like it, just don't look at it It is confusing. A few notes about the map:

• I think that TFMCOMM may also have a couple of sites involved here, or there may have been some deal where some of their licensed sites/frequencies could be used as part of the system. Then there is TBS Electronics, Commenco and Midwest Radio Service.
  
• Green sites are sites I feel most confident about
  
• Yellow sites I feel pretty confident about, but not as confident as the green sites
  
• Red sites (irrespespective of whose licenses are shown) are sites I think are likely part of the system or could be part of the system.
  
• Blue sites are just other trunked licenses that those companies have.
  
• Blue balloons are just other trunked licenses that those companies have - but the licenses do not have TRBO emissions designators listed on them.

Google Map: https://goo.gl/m5FKy8

I am going to work on the google map this week in an effort to make it more readable / sensible for anyone that might use it.

I'll try to check this thread periodically for an updates that would allow to make some more definitive guesses about the sites.

Mike

 

[Phillipsc84]

That’s really good work! To respond to your question about site neighbors, I’d say yes. I use DSD+ often to get detailed info about a site that I use to help track it down. Mostly color codes, how many frequencies are at a site so I know how many to look for, and neighbors. That’s the starting point and then I search FCC licenses and try to determine the rest.


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[mtindor]

That’s really good work! To respond to your question about site neighbors, I’d say yes. I use DSD+ often to get detailed info about a site that I use to help track it down. Mostly color codes, how many frequencies are at a site so I know how many to look for, and neighbors. That’s the starting point and then I search FCC licenses and try to determine the rest.


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Good deal! DSDPlus is such a useful tool. If you get a chance, please post neighbor information for any sites that you can monitor. It may or may not be helpful to know at this point, but I figured I'd ask. And thanks for posting info. Things are pretty stagnant where I live, and I rarely get any interest out of what's around me to monitor. That's why I end up jumping into discussions about systems in states nowhere near me.

Mike

 

[wbloss]

461.825, 463.2625, 464.6375

IS "communications Equipment Holdings" the same as Commenco" 461.825 does not show up on a MW or Commenco license, but on Communications Equip."

Also, 463.2625 had some of the same 600,0000 series TGs on it but I can't find a license

Same with 464.6375 - no likely license but same TG series

W