electricsheep
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mark2117 said:
But I thought it was provoice edacs? If it is, even if you have a digital scanner, you still are not going to get anything at all... If it was a moto system, you would be able to listen to it.... maybe...
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But I thought it was provoice edacs? If it is, even if you have a digital scanner, you still are not going to get anything at all... If it was a moto system, you would be able to listen to it.... maybe...
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Oh... and while we are on the topic of the Prince Albert Police, what the heck are they doing in Edmonton? I saw a white FORD FOCUS STATION WAGON down near the South Common Home Depot with "Prince Albert Police" on the side... First of all, a FORD FOCUS?! Secondly, a station wagon? Yikes. Bet you those guys don't like showing up at cop picnics when everyone else is driving Crown Vics or Impalas... 
It's like soccer mom police.
It's like soccer mom police. 
Ummmm I've never seen a Ford Focus police cruiser around town :?
edit: Just remember they DO have a Ford station wagon but its an older one, they use when they go to schools and do presentations and such...
It's not ProVoice for sure, thats why I want someone to come down here so I can see if it is.
edit: Just remember they DO have a Ford station wagon but its an older one, they use when they go to schools and do presentations and such...
It's not ProVoice for sure, thats why I want someone to come down here so I can see if it is.
electricsheep
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mark2117 said:
If you want to pay for gas I could come out and see what the RF situation is in PA...
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Do you have the ability to record a few seconds of the control channel? Most of them are pretty distinct in comparison to each other, i.e. most Motorola systems sound similar to each other, but completely different than EDACS. One may be able to identify it 'by ear' if you could provide a clean audio sample.
You don't need a discriminator tap on your scanner to do the above - just a recording off the earphone jack would do - but if you DID have a tap, a recording of the tapped audio from the control channel would allow someone with Trunker etc. (even perhaps yourself ) to figure out the system in greater detail..
You don't need a discriminator tap on your scanner to do the above - just a recording off the earphone jack would do - but if you DID have a tap, a recording of the tapped audio from the control channel would allow someone with Trunker etc. (even perhaps yourself
) to figure out the system in greater detail..RBerezowski said:
At work I call the police almost daily, sometimes more then that in once a day. I noticed that their radios are pretty covered by the holder, but today I could see more of it than usual. Right about the display screen I could see 4 letters seperated by a dash "MI-RK", I googled it dozens of times and couldn't get a match. Any idea??
This could be my last clue to find out whether they are just digital or digitally encrypted.
electricsheep
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mark2117 said:
Could it have been MRK? If so, it could be a Macom/Ge Ericsson/Comnet whatever they are calling themselves these days and the MRK model. If it is MRK, then they are not provoice, but most likely Aegis. Someone else tell me if I am way off base, but I don't think there is a provoice model of the MRK.
electricsheep
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mark2117 said:
Try this:
http://images.google.ca/images?q=mrk edacs&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&as_qdr=all&tab=wi
It is DEFINATLY the "M-RK II" they even have it on the sevice provider's page http://prairiemobile.com/macom_mrk.html
So now that I have determined what radio they use am I able to know if they are just digital or digitally encrypted and am I able to pick them up with a regular digital scanner?
So now that I have determined what radio they use am I able to know if they are just digital or digitally encrypted and am I able to pick them up with a regular digital scanner?
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mark2117 said:
Nope... no scanner can receive them. Since you have identified the radios, you can now be assured they are using AEGIS either in pure digital mode or in encrypted mode. No digital scanner on the market will scan this, and nobody will ever make a scanner to scan this.
Your best bet would be to try and find a used MRK handheld. But this opens so many drums full of worms, that unless you have deep pockets, the most patience of any human you know, and killer radio contacts, you might as well just not think about it..
Plus, you could go to all that trouble, then find that they are in fact both AEGIS and encrypted, and all the money and time you have just spent on the MRK and related gear and software (along with your soul to the devil) will be for nothing.Put it out of your mind and you will sleep better at nights... it's a disease you don't want to catch... I know I wish I was cured.
Here in Edmonton .. there is lots of ProVoice in use. It's like we are now restricted to listening to the dispatch channels for law enforcement. The Overtime Bar incident kind of took care of any other channels that previously were analog and could be listened to on a scanner. Now we have the 4 talkgroups (dispatch channels) as well as EMS and Fire as there is no need to go digital for these (at least for now).
So yes Prince Albert is very much like it is here .. have fun listening to what you can as you will never be able to pick up ProVoice on a scanner. So if Prince Albert is indeed ProVoice .. you should look at listening to something else as they are just NOT MONITORABLE. Hope this helps clarify what can be listened to.
So yes Prince Albert is very much like it is here .. have fun listening to what you can as you will never be able to pick up ProVoice on a scanner. So if Prince Albert is indeed ProVoice .. you should look at listening to something else as they are just NOT MONITORABLE. Hope this helps clarify what can be listened to.
About a month ago, for a week straight I could pick up the Prince Albert Police on my 246T but I could only hear dispatch. If they are suposedly using this "AEGIS" why could I hear them on our local FleetNet EDACS system?
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mark2117 said:
Here in Edmonton these sorts of things do happen, sometimes quite often. It is usually a dispatcher error. For example, if for some reason general dispatch gets bumped to another talkgroup because the main dispatch channel has to be isolated for a specific incident, more often than not the dispatcher will screw something up and all communications from the portables is provoice and not monitorable, while all transmissions from dispatch are in analog and are monitorable.
At first these inconsistent events baffled us, until we realized it was probably the dispatcher not switching their console into digital mode in talkgroups where digital and analog are optional. In some talkgroups digital is mandatory, and the users (either portables or dispatch) can't transmit in anything BUT digital, but many other groups are optional digital/analog, and while the portables seem to default to digital, the dispatch console seems to default to analog...
Go figure.
So that means this sort of thing happens after power outages? If I did get a digital scanner then that would mean I could pick up dispatch only but portables would be provoice? Would the police being provoice mean I couldn't hear digital noise, because at the end of the carshow when everyone was doing burnouts, lots of police cars showed up so I flipped on the scanner and turned it to close call and got lots of digtal noise in the 800mhz - 900mhz range.
electricsheep
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mark2117 said:
Uh, no. It has nothing to do with power, just the dispatcher not hitting the right buttons, and it happens very rarely.
And yes, if you are hearing lots of digital noise, that is the closest you will ever get to monitoring the PA police on your digital scanner. Short and brutal answer: live with it and move on, you're on a dead end street...
electricsheep
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mark2117 said:
Well, as stated before, there possibly is. How much money do you have to spend on this project? And remember, there is no guarantee that it will work in the end if they are in fact encrypted as well as digital.
electricsheep
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mark2117 said:
How much? Unknown and completely variable, depending on the cost of a compatible type of MRK radio or similar type, radio interface box, radio programming cable, and EDACS radio programming software.
Just for kicks call a supplier and ask them how much this would cost. Be prepared for a figure in the high $3,000 range if not $4,000. And then expect some very uncomfortable questions about who the hell you are, and why you wish to obtain such technology. Make sure you call from an untraceable phone...
Especially if you call anyone who realizes the PA police and Fleetnet stand to give them more money over the life of the contract for the EDACS equipment than you do.After you complete all this, have left the PA police interogation room, have obtained all the hardware and software you require by taking a second mortgage on your parents house, selling all your worldly possessions, and selling your body for live pharma tech testing, you are ready to start collecting the necessary data to program into the radio.
Set aside a laptop or something running etrunker 24/7 for a few months to nail all the talkgroups you are then going to want to program into the radio.
Next spend a few months organizing it all into logical systems, and groups, with appropriate names for each of them.
Then spend agonizing weeks learning the dark arts of the ProGrammer software and trying to translate the data from the etrunk logs into a well oiled personality file.
Simply click send, then bingo bongo, you have yourself a radio that may be able to listen to PA police. Or, you may end up with an expensive restrictive handheld that can not listen to anything more than you could before with a BC246T and doing any of this...
Yeah, this is the sort of simplicity that I got involved in this hobby for. It is a beautiful thing...
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