Drone Swarms / Large UAV’s

[spongella]

I'm calling area realtors to find out how much less my property's worth now.

 

[rr60]

So we have statements today from the media, what is the frequency?
Numerous quotes (Google)reportedly have the NJSP saying drones are not
transmitting any RF at all.

I would suspect this is why we see new systems being deployed like in post #353.

What is the frequency?🤷🏻‍♂️

What a long strange trip this thread has been since inception.

Back to RF again. Radar, yes drone detection, while there are some detection devices with various capabilities and designs deployed, the big money is rolling in. Lockheed Martin will deploy (5) radar sites soon. I will be running this down a bit more, Bob understands.🤣

Since we know the press is scraping RR, how long until this hits the cycle? 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[richee2000]

Reports indicate these drones are autonomous, controlled by predetermined flight coordinates programmed by computer and guided by GPS.

 

[trentbob]

So we have statements today from the media, what is the frequency?
Numerous quotes (Google)reportedly have the NJSP saying drones are not
transmitting any RF at all.

I would suspect this is why we see new systems being deployed like in post #353.

What is the frequency?🤷🏻‍♂️

Well the guest said it all.. they are either United States government or a foreign entity.

Not sure the reporters themselves grasp the technicalities but when they have guests on it's very helpful.

One of the media drawbacks is they take official press releases and official briefings from Washington and use them as a news source, you know the type of people I'm talking about in Washington who have made statements during press conferences, you can always tell they're lying because their mouth is moving.

I give more credibility to State Police briefings and releases.

 

[rr60]

Ha! Tell me how you really feel Bob! 😂🇺🇸

 

[prcguy]

Reports indicate these drones are autonomous, controlled by predetermined flight coordinates programmed by computer and guided by GPS.

Autonomous would not be turning lights off or dodging helicopters, that would be controlled by live people. Most drones cannot turn off all if its lights remotely, some still stay illuminated for safety. Someone would have to make internal changes to the drone to remotely turn off all the lights.

I believe most drone control frequencies are frequency hopping spread spectrum in either the 2.4GHz or 5GHz wifi bands. The carrier is very spread out and at any distance would be almost impossible to see on a spectrum analyzer. I have a few drone controllers here and will verify that maybe later today.

 

[richee2000]

Mystery drones could be identified faster using new detection tool, but FAA lacks resources

The FAA's new "digital license plate" for drones has yet to be rolled out to law enforcement, hindering efforts to identify mystery drones in the Northeast.

www.yahoo.com

 

[nd5y]

I believe most drone control frequencies are frequency hopping spread spectrum in either the 2.4GHz or 5GHz wifi bands. The carrier is very spread out and at any distance would be almost impossible to see on a spectrum analyzer. I have a few drone controllers here and will verify that maybe later today.

And with all the other crap on those bands there is no way you could tell with only a spectrum analyzer what was coming from a drone.

 

[howie38]

Is there any other form of (tight directional?) signal that could be transmitted by a satellite to control these things?

 

[prcguy]

Is there any other form of (tight directional?) signal that could be transmitted by a satellite to control these things?

No, any signals from a geostationary or LEO satellite over a spot beam would cover an area at least several hundred miles across. Did you read the part about people must be in direct control of these things to see helicopters approaching to do evasive maneuvers and turning the lights off? Whoever is controlling them is probably within visual sight of them. These are not huge long range military Predator or Reaper drones with sophisticated sensors and cameras controlled over satellite, they sound more like commercial hobby type drones.

 

[trentbob]

This is what USA drone operators look like recently.

 

[richee2000]

There have been numerous reports from public safety officials, helicopter pilots, and the New Jersey State Police indicating these are not small hobbyist or commercial type drones. Some are approximately 6 ft to 10 ft in diameter.

 

[prcguy]

There have been numerous reports from public safety officials, helicopter pilots, and the New Jersey State Police indicating these are not small hobbyist or commercial type drones. Some are approximately 6 ft to 10 ft in diameter.

If they are not operated by the US mil do you think they have the equivalent cameras, sensors, radios and infrastructure to operate them as shown in the picture above? That would be a staggering amount of $$ in equipment and manpower. A large US company or foreign govt would have it, so is that what your implying?

 

[richee2000]

If they are not operated by the US mil do you think they have the equivalent cameras, sensors, radios and infrastructure to operate them as shown in the picture above? That would be a staggering amount of $$ in equipment and manpower. A large US company or foreign govt would have it, so is that what your implying?

I am implying absolutely nothing. I am simply quoting what the New Jersey State Police as well as helicopter pilots have said in interviews. Everyone can come to their own conclusions.

 

[prcguy]

I am implying absolutely nothing. I am simply quoting what the New Jersey State Police as well as helicopter pilots have said in interviews. Everyone can come to their own conclusions.

I am implying absolutely nothing. I am simply quoting what the New Jersey State Police as well as helicopter pilots have said in interviews. Everyone can come to their own conclusions.

The way I see this is there are some facts that are known like these drones have been reported to avoid helicopters and they have turned lights off and some are large, still possibly being hobby or commercial drones but no proof of any military origin. Those facts can be used to rule out some things.

As more info comes in or maybe one is downed and available for review, other facts can be used to rule out more stuff hopefully leaving the truth behind who may be operating them and what they are doing. Until then we are all just guessing. Unless somebody here actually knows something and wants to confess.

 

[rr60]

I saw the first one tonight. I am qualified. Credentialed in many ways.

Time about 7:30pm. Conditions sky clear, no wind, visibility unlimited.
Going by me Newark arrivals 4000’ and above Sweet, Gritty, ILS4R.

Star Gazing with little moonlight and from East to West it appeared 300’-400’ AGL at about 20MPH it went.

It was lit but not like a hobby drone, just barely visible with 4 very dim white lights. No green, no red. Maybe 4-6’ based on spacing of lights.

No sound, none, zero, I found that remarkable, in fact unusual. Have at it!

And no I did not file a report.🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[trentbob]

I saw the first one tonight. I am qualified. Credentialed in many ways.

Time about 7:30pm. Conditions sky clear, no wind, visibility unlimited.
Going by me Newark arrivals 4000’ and above Sweet, Gritty, ILS4R.

Star Gazing with little moonlight and from East to West it appeared 300’-400’ AGL at about 20MPH it went.

It was lit but not like a hobby drone, just barely visible with 4 very dim white lights. No green, no red. Maybe 4-6’ based on spacing of lights.

No sound, none, zero, I found that remarkable, in fact unusual. Have at it!

And no I did not file a report.🤷🏻‍♂️

rr60 do you wish to report a UFO?.. I repeat do you wish to report a UFO?

No control, I don't want to file one of them.. rr60 do you wish to file any report at all?

No Control, I wouldn't know what to say, control says, I wouldn't either.

Always been an amateur astronomer all my life since I was about 10 or 11, I was honored to be a page at the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia and work with Irving Leavitt of the Fells Planetarium, had a nice refractor telescope from Edmond scientific, when I started really making good money, I had a really nice expensive telescope and have always enjoyed astronomy..

The next few nights are the end of an epic meteor shower we have been enjoying all month, plan on spending tomorrow night watching. Unfortunately I live near the Sterling helicopter repair and maintenance facility and they're coming and going on a regular basis LOL.

 

[richee2000]

I saw the first one tonight. I am qualified. Credentialed in many ways.

Time about 7:30pm. Conditions sky clear, no wind, visibility unlimited.
Going by me Newark arrivals 4000’ and above Sweet, Gritty, ILS4R.

Star Gazing with little moonlight and from East to West it appeared 300’-400’ AGL at about 20MPH it went.

It was lit but not like a hobby drone, just barely visible with 4 very dim white lights. No green, no red. Maybe 4-6’ based on spacing of lights.

No sound, none, zero, I found that remarkable, in fact unusual. Have at it!

And no I did not file a report.🤷🏻‍♂️

Well that's interesting. No attempt to get videos or photos?

 

[rr60]

No, as soon as in sight, out of sight, maybe 10 seconds. The UAV lighting was intentionally just barely visible. A high quality camera on a tripod just might
capture. High quality stealth. A phone camera no way. Like a ghost might be.

 

[trentbob]

No, as soon as in sight, out of sight, maybe 10 seconds. The UAV lighting was intentionally just barely visible. A high quality camera on a tripod just might
capture. High quality stealth. A phone camera no way. Like a ghost might be.

As sophisticated as today's phone cameras are and as long as your strobe or Flash is turned off of Auto, only to be used when you call for it, if you ever come upon a phenomena like this press the phone and your face up against a tree, it'll actually give you an exposure of 2 to 3 seconds without motion. Just saying.