Emergency Lights

[SCPD]

I may a little slow here ....

... Are y'all saying that if I put a red or blue light bar on the roof of my car, and not only not turn it on, but don't even run power to it, it's still illegal?

If so, that explains something that happened recently. Some of my work is with a company that has plants in different states. A security vehicle with a blue light bar on top was brought from Indiana to be used at a Michigan facility. After it was up here about a month, the company had taped garbage bags over the light bar. Now it's got a red light bar.

 

[bigbluemsp]

... Are y'all saying that if I put a red or blue light bar on the roof of my car, and not only not turn it on, but don't even run power to it, it's still illegal?

If so, that explains something that happened recently. Some of my work is with a company that has plants in different states. A security vehicle with a blue light bar on top was brought from Indiana to be used at a Michigan facility. After it was up here about a month, the company had taped garbage bags over the light bar. Now it's got a red light bar.

Act 330-1080 Private Security Police and Private Police can run red but not blue.......Only on their own property

 

[UPMedic]

... Are y'all saying that if I put a red or blue light bar on the roof of my car, and not only not turn it on, but don't even run power to it, it's still illegal?

Correct. Unless you're a police officer, and the vehicle is used for law enforcement, then you can't run blue (per Attorney General Opinion No. 3142, 1957). You cannot possess or use red (or white) on your private vehicle unless you're a physician (and authorized by the county Sherrif), or you're a volunteer or paid fire fighter, a volunteer ambulance driver, or a licensed ambulance driver or attendant, AND you must be authorized by the Chief of the local fire department.

If so, that explains something that happened recently. Some of my work is with a company that has plants in different states. A security vehicle with a blue light bar on top was brought from Indiana to be used at a Michigan facility. After it was up here about a month, the company had taped garbage bags over the light bar. Now it's got a red light bar.

I reference MCL 257.698(7), which states:

A private motor vehicle of a security guard agency or alarm company licensed pursuant to the private security guard act of 1968, 1968 PA 330, MCL 338.1051 to 338.1085, may display flashing, rotating, or oscillating amber lights. The flashing, rotating, or oscillating amber lights shall not be activated on a public highway when a vehicle is in motion.

And per F/Lt. Eric Johnson, Michigan Department of State Police, Traffic Services Section, private security guards cannot run red, blue, or white. Only amber, as prescribed above. See http://www.michigan.gov/documents/aftermarket_lighting_8570_7.pdf

Edit: fixed link, font size

 

[bigbluemsp]

reread my post...... Look up Act 330 Sec 1080 they are police when on duty, working on their property and in uniform..

Henry Ford Hospitals runs all red becons same as MSP which I posted on here before in one of the threads. There is a big difference between Private Security and Private Security Police.

Go to any Hospital in Detroit and look at their patrol cars... They all have red lights on them.

PRIVATE SECURITY BUSINESS AND SECURITY ALARM ACT (EXCERPT)
Act 330 of 1968


338.1080 Private security police officers; arrest powers; limitations.

Sec. 30.

A private security police officer, as described in section 29, who is properly licensed under this act has the authority to arrest a person without a warrant as set forth for public peace officers in section 15 of chapter IV of the code of criminal procedure, 1927 PA 175, MCL 764.15, when that private security police officer is on the employer's premises. Such authority is limited to his or her hours of employment as a private security police officer and does not extend beyond the boundaries of the property of the employer and while the private security police officer is in the full uniform of the employer.


History: Add. 1969, Act 168, Imd. Eff. Aug. 5, 1969 ;-- Am. 2000, Act 411, Eff. Mar. 28, 2001

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(arcf...ect&objectName=mcl-338-1080&highlight=Act 330

 

[bigbluemsp]

Also DNR Rangers whom are not MCOLES Sworn Officers and have no state arrest authority or carry power drive the following vehicle on State Land. They are basicly state land security

 

[K8PBX]

Also DNR Rangers whom are not MCOLES Sworn Officers and have no state arrest authority or carry power drive the following vehicle on State Land. They are basicly state land security.

Hmmmmm... I respectfully disagree.

Actually, in Michigan, the DNR Rangers/Conservation Officers DO have police authority. To quote, they are: "fully commissioned peace officers, empowered to arrest people who violate any Michigan law". Additionally, they do attend the MCOLES academy to gain their police certification. You can read more about it here: DNR Authority Link

As info, as far as Michigan law enforcement "authority" ranking goes, the DNR are only number two on the list. Railroad Police in Michigan are number one; and have the most overall police authority of all. Once they're MCOLES academy certified and State Police Commissioned, they have all the powers of State police, sheriffs, marshals, constables, and municipal police officers - wherever they go, anywhere in the State, on or off-duty. Link here: Railroad Police - Duties & Powers

 

[bigbluemsp]

I never mentioned Conservation Officer at any time. I said Park Ranger which is a totaly different division of the DNR....... They are not sworn, where as ther CO'S are sworn... I'm aware of their powers completely. I seen one everyday since he live 3 houses down from me.


The Rangers are their Maintenance staff and when they aren't doign maintenance they are pulling park security nothing more, noting less. They issue tickets for slip violations for camper parking and utility hook ups thats all. Thats all their authority is limited to. The Conservation Officers is their Law Enforcement Division which is armed, and has more power then any other officer other then Rail Police in this state.

Actualy the list of power runs like this.

1) US FOREST/NATION PARK SERVICE POLICE (BENZIE AND SURROUNDING COUNTIES) Full state, ccounty, local, and federal authority

1A) Rail Police same as above but its frowned upon by their departments to go outside the scope of the rail road. (Just ask the rail officer on this board)

2) DNR Conservation Officer

3) Then State, local and county departments

 

[K8PBX]

I never mentioned Conservation Officer at any time. I said Park Ranger which is a totaly different division of the DNR....... They are not sworn, where as ther CO'S are sworn...

Ok, my bad. I thought you were referring to CO's. I stand corrected.

Actualy the list of power runs like this.

1) US FOREST/NATION PARK SERVICE POLICE (BENZIE AND SURROUNDING COUNTIES) Full state, ccounty, local, and federal authority

1A) Rail Police same as above... (Just ask the rail officer on this board)

Well then there's two of us on the board. One active and one retired. I was a RR cop from 1977 through 1985, for both Detroit Terminal Railroad and then Conrail. Worked uniform and plainclothes assignments (SIU Detroit) until an on the job knee injury forced a career change. Back in the day, we pretty much acted upon anything that crossed our path, whether RR related or not. And in Detroit, there was always something going on.