proquist96 said:
A good majority of the times, the users in our area don't know any better if it's on or off or don't care.
And you obviously know that's next to impossible plus illegal, right?
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A good majority of the times, the users in our area don't know any better if it's on or off or don't care.
And you obviously know that's next to impossible plus illegal, right?
Since most encryption on a trunked system occurs on exclusive talkgroups like SWAT or Narcotics channels, just lock the encryted TGs out. Yea, you won't know when they are talking, but thats why you have Trunker/ETrunker/WTrunker/UniTrunker running on a computer in the background!
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Myself, as a user would not want to just simply lock out a digital encrypted channel, especially when many have clear digital/analog traffic on them.
The best possible solution would be to keep the frequencie active, again, for clear digital/analog traffic, and when it goes encrypted, have the display briefly flash "encryted", then move on scanning.
IMO.. Unless a channel is known to be at ALL times encrypted,Turning a frequencie completely off with the technology we have this day seems to be a step backwards.
The best possible solution would be to keep the frequencie active, again, for clear digital/analog traffic, and when it goes encrypted, have the display briefly flash "encryted", then move on scanning.
IMO.. Unless a channel is known to be at ALL times encrypted,Turning a frequencie completely off with the technology we have this day seems to be a step backwards.
walter900 said:
I agree, same situation here. Many users have encryption capable radios and don't quite know how to use it. One day it'll be on, the next it'll be off and so on.
The Unidens do a very good job at muting the audio with only a few times letting through a chirp or two. I don't remember but I think Uniden even added that after release of the radio with a firmware update.
It shouldn't be a hard feature to implement, I know GRE can do it. At least for trunked systems. :wink:
windchaser
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i emailed gre for the second time about this subject , there site says you will get an answer back in 24 hours-right- so lets see what happins this time. windchaser usmm
Skipping encryption is not mentioned in the manual, so I'd bet that encrypted talkgroups will sound just like they do on the Pro96.
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When I asked GRE if the radio would mute encryption, here is their answer:
"Thank you for your interest in our PSR-500.
Our products follow the regulations, and we hope this answers to your
question.
Best regards,
Nori Taniguchi
Senior Manager, Overseas Business Division, GRE Inc.
Phone: 81 3 5439 3612 Fax: 81 3 5439 3644
Email: taniguchi@gre.co.jp URL: http://www.gre.co.jp"
I think something was lost in translation.
FYI, the BCD-996T mutes encryption...and continues scanning. It is a very nice feature for systems that have occasional encryption.
"Thank you for your interest in our PSR-500.
Our products follow the regulations, and we hope this answers to your
question.
Best regards,
Nori Taniguchi
Senior Manager, Overseas Business Division, GRE Inc.
Phone: 81 3 5439 3612 Fax: 81 3 5439 3644
Email: taniguchi@gre.co.jp URL: http://www.gre.co.jp"
I think something was lost in translation.
FYI, the BCD-996T mutes encryption...and continues scanning. It is a very nice feature for systems that have occasional encryption.
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proquist96 said:
mikeh
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this is dun or what
no way any scanner company is going to make a scanner
that will copy encryption frist the feds will stop the production run
next they will go after the company . it is agaiest the law.
forget asking gre to make a scanner the gets encryption
this is a joke oh well i need a joke to get my mroning moving
so have a nice day . i do mean to say anything bad about
anybody , but there is no way any scanner company
will make a scanner that gets encryption.
no way any scanner company is going to make a scanner
that will copy encryption frist the feds will stop the production run
next they will go after the company . it is agaiest the law.
forget asking gre to make a scanner the gets encryption
this is a joke oh well i need a joke to get my mroning moving
so have a nice day . i do mean to say anything bad about
anybody , but there is no way any scanner company
will make a scanner that gets encryption.
mikeh
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sorry i misunderstaad i thought you were asking gre to bulild
a scanner that would do encryption.
no coffee today
sorry i misunderstad
a scanner that would do encryption.
no coffee today
sorry i misunderstad
windchaser
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i just talked to a live person at gre and asked him about muting encrypetion, he said he would talk to the tech people in japan and get back to me on monday. i asked about the 500 and 600 modles. have a god weekend. windchaser usmm
rdale said:
Although that might be true, the current draft manual doesn't mention A LOT of things that we already know.... :wink:
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Everyone, except the users of the system, whose very lives probably depend on keeping their radio traffic out of public ears...proquist96 said:
If it were possible to break encryption with the next generation scanner, it wasn't really a very good encryption system to begin with...
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I would 100% agree if encryption was used to provide that protection. In many cases, it is used to just hide everyday run of the mill communications. When the system (and my home system, York County VA) encrypts transmissions such as an Engine leaving the station enroute to a call or encrypts the dispatch so you don't know who is responding and where they are headed, then there is a problem with HOW the encryption is used. Even our school busses are occasionally encrypted.
Sensitive commuications like undercover ops, serving a warrant to a potentially dangerous location (either weapons or where the subject may run if they know the police are coming), presidential (or other head of state like the Queen in Jamestown) protection, or names of deceased at an accident or other location I have no problems with them being encrypted. I listened to the scanner driving to my parents home the night my father died, I almost didn't make it. I knew it was serious when the medic requested an engine for manpower.
Traffic stops, fire and medic dispatches, possible drunk drivers and other routine info, should be in the clear. These are OUR public servants, paid by our tax dollars. What are they trying to hide?
The argument that the bad guys listen to scanners just really doesn't hold a lot of water. If they are caught using a scanner to evade capture, then add another charge.
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People, please stay on topic. This thread will not turn in to another encryption rant.
TPKeller2
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Sorry, I'm new! Didn't know there was any such thing. Probably similar to talking about "tipping" on a cruise message board!wayne_h said:
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windchaser
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two emails and two phone calls later i still have not gotton an answer about eccryption muting or not. maby thay cant understand a question in english, anybody know how to write in japanese? whats up gre?
KC9NEG
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Look on the bright side we can all ask here and firmware upgrades can address this sort of thing later. The radio can only get better over time.
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windchaser
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this is true. im going to get one know matter if it dose or not mute encyption. windchaser usmm
It will not mute encryption at least initially.
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