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Will that frequency spectrum be isolated to be used by only public safety or will there by other users?
Here in the US 851-854 B / 806-809 M and 769-775 B / 776-805 M is public safety only. 854-866 B / 809-821 M is shared public safety and business.

In the VHF/UHF bands the frequencies are mixed. There are some contiguous blocks of public safety channels but would probably be easier to only monitor public safety input frequencies in a given city or county if you scan only individual frequencies.
 

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Here in the US 851-854 B / 806-809 M and 769-775 B / 776-805 M is public safety only. 854-866 B / 809-821 M is shared public safety and business.

In the VHF/UHF bands the frequencies are mixed. There are some contiguous blocks of public safety channels but would probably be easier to only monitor public safety input frequencies in a given city or county if you scan only individual frequencies.


That definitonmust be full of loopholes.


Ohio MARCS (Staewide system) is using some or all of those 700/800 and they have Public Transit, Private Ambulance, Electric Power Utilities that are not govt. owned, State Highway.
 

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That definitonmust be full of loopholes.
Ohio MARCS (Staewide system) is using some or all of those 700/800 and they have Public Transit, Private Ambulance, Electric Power Utilities that are not govt. owned, State Highway.
Those are trunked system end users not licensees. I didn't think about that.
 

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Will that frequency spectrum be isolated to be used by only public safety or will there by other users?
Isn't a responder keying his radio when he acknowledge to accept the incident, maybe miles away and then only key it again when he arrives at the scene, too late to get any kind of pre-warning?

Even expensive filters that have 80dB attenuation outside of its passband would pass a signal if a transmitter would be close enough, like a 100 meters.

Modern radios doesn't emit much stray RF. You could probably hear a local oscillator at 2 meters distance at best.

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1) Post rebanding, public safety is largely confined to certain frequency blocks. It is true that a lot of municipal systems do have shared service with public works and transit. If a number of receivers were networked for TDOA as in the Kiwi example, algorithms could filter out display of repeated TX uplink hits from vehicles on routes like transit or garbage trucks.

I have a bunch of 800 Mhz preselector, it would be an easy test. The only OOB trouble I can see would be low power Sprint subscribers in the adjacent bands.

2) I once solved an interference problem caused by Motorola 800 MHz Mostar Privacy Plus radios spraying 809 MHz RX LO for many blocks. Easily received line of sight. The plant argued the radios met FCC specs. I am not so sure. The product was discontinued shortly after.




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Hello quantum computing. Never say never.

There aren't any officially known "true" quantum computers out there yet.The ones claiming to be quantum computers work on quantum "esque" principals and don't have anywhere near enough qubits.And the idea of quantum computers hard cracking all encryption is a myth.
 

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There aren't any officially known "true" quantum computers out there yet.The ones claiming to be quantum computers work on quantum "esque" principals and don't have anywhere near enough qubits.And the idea of quantum computers hard cracking all encryption is a myth.

Yes, they are not available yet. But they will be. And we know how slow the commercial radio world is. So there is a good possibility of breaking the encryption one day. And before anyone chimes in with "it's illegal" not everyone lives in the United States.
 

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Yes, they are not available yet. But they will be. And we know how slow the commercial radio world is. So there is a good possibility of breaking the encryption one day. And before anyone chimes in with "it's illegal" not everyone lives in the United States.


And once your quantum computing is actually available, encryption technology will leap ahead.


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Quantum computers are not going to be something you have in your home by any of the stretch of the imagination.Not for a long....long.....long.....long....long....time. You will basically just have access through the net to one. This is not like typical computer technology.
 

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And once your quantum computing is actually available, encryption technology will leap ahead.


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Exactly. First, quantum computing is only theoretical - those doing the research will tell you that they are not yet sure whether it's actually possible to create any such thing in the real world (and not because of the limitations of current technology - it's not clear whether the nature of quantum mechanics itself allows such things to be created - hence the research to find out). Second, the same theory which suggests the possibility of quantum computing simultaneously allows quantum encryption, which would be unbreakable due to the quantum "no cloning" theorem. According to current quantum theory, if it's possible to create one (quantum computing), then it's also possible to create the other (quantum encryption).
 

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Plus,it was recently found out that the theory of quantum mechanics was over simplified, and as a result, would produce computing errors.
 
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That definitonmust be full of loopholes.


Ohio MARCS (Staewide system) is using some or all of those 700/800 and they have Public Transit, Private Ambulance, Electric Power Utilities that are not govt. owned, State Highway.

Everything you mentioned falls under "public safety."
 

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Everything you mentioned falls under "public safety."


In respect to building/designing a device to detect enc. transmissions of police, transit busses and electric co. line crews would seem to defeat the intent. Fact, such a device, in my area would be useless, without the ability to restrict talkgroups.
 
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