Fdny Uhf Radio Alert!!!!!!!!!

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He is an authorized hacker!! He feels a need to program his radio to transmit so he can kerchunk the repeaters. Wait till the turnking system is up and running and people program their radios. Then the system admin will send a sting command and their radio becomes a brick.!!!!

I recently heard from a friend of mine in Miami-Dade Fire Rescue. He IS authorized on a particular
trunking system, so he keyed in one day, and because he was not on the LID list, they did indeed
send a bullet over the air. His entire radio was bricked until he got it sorted out with the radio admin,
so heed the above warning-they will brick your entire radio, if you manage even to get the system key and invade their trunking system.... all that money spent on your radio DOWN THE TUBES!
 

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Why would you need the inputs? If you Are an authorized user your radio will be programmed by the radio shop or DOITT

The only feasible reason I could see for non-users to have the input frequencies would be when the field units start transmitting on UHF. You would need to know the input frequency to hear the mixer off messages.

**Not starting anything** but I don't believe that anyone will have the ability to kerchunk the FD system, especially if they will keep, and I hope they will, the voted repeater system.
 

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I was the admin on a P25 conventional system. Anytime someone misplaced a radio or "couldn't find it" or we saw a strange unit ID come through the list, the FIRST thing the dispatcher would do as a matter of procedure was to kill the radio. It's funny how many radios get "found" when they just turn into a paperweight. We could turn it back on just like magic. Best feature in a radio system!
 

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I may be going out on a limb here, but my understanding of stunning or killing a radio can only be done if the radio is programmed to allow it. I have had portables on multiple systems for many years, was stunned once,(I can assume the radio ID I had was stunned, not my radio since it never transmitted). Easily fixed by reprogramming, removed the option for the radio to be able to be stunned and never had a problem ever again.
 

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I was the admin on a P25 conventional system. Anytime someone misplaced a radio or "couldn't find it" or we saw a strange unit ID come through the list, the FIRST thing the dispatcher would do as a matter of procedure was to kill the radio. It's funny how many radios get "found" when they just turn into a paperweight. We could turn it back on just like magic. Best feature in a radio system!


I was not aware that a conventional system supported the inhibiting of radio equipment. Sounds like BS to me :)
 

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I was not aware that a conventional system supported the inhibiting of radio equipment. Sounds like BS to me :)

Might want to get that BS meter checked because it is broken and your assumptions are wrong. The ability to inhibite radios on conventional systems has been around for at least 20 years. MDC-1200 has been able to do it on analog systems for at least 20 years and the P25 standards for both conventional and trunked have included this ability for over a decade.
 

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My department has had the ability for close to 12 years now and used it once that I know of. Conventional analog.
 

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Might want to get that BS meter checked because it is broken and your assumptions are wrong. The ability to inhibite radios on conventional systems has been around for at least 20 years...MDC-1200 has been able to do it on analog systems...

I had my radio bricked once. I had lost it and reported it lost/stolen. Two weeks later I located it buried within the front seat. It had slipped down between the console and he passenger seat and was out of view. I thought my seat was broken because I couldn't move it...needless to say it was the radio stuck in the track. Anyway, I turned the radio on and as soon as it went to affiliate on the repeater, the screen went blank. A call to dispatch and I watched her literally turn my screen back on. I had never known the feature existed on conventional analong systems until then. The repeater is conventional analog BTW.

I've heard of people programming radios for receive only without affiliating and still get zapped. I'm guessing there are programs that can be ran at least on Motorola Smartzone systems that can detect these radios. Maybe someone can confirm. As far as P25 trunked, I believe the radio will not monitor the system unless it affiliates, so you'll be zapped there. BUY A SCANNER !!!!

Quick question...why can scanners monitor systems withotu affiliating, but radios cannot? Security feature due to the transmit ability?
 

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Quick question...why can scanners monitor systems withotu affiliating, but radios cannot? Security feature due to the transmit ability?

Mostly affilating lets the system know the radio is there to receive traffic. In a system with multiple "zones", this can be used to only send traffic to those sites that have a radio "attached" that will use the traffic - instead of wasting channels with traffic nobody will hear. For example:

A north zone and south zone with north and a south dispatch TGs. In a split system, normally each zone would only have the appropriate TG. But if a north car drives south and needs to follow their north TG traffic, affilating tells the system to send the north TG to the south zone sites.

A scanner can not affilate, so in a system such as the example above, a user who scans a south zone site would normally never hear the north TG. That TG could come "alive" one day when a north car drives south. This is a common configuration on large (i.e. statewide) systems. Usually there is some type of timer that will time out the affilation if the system has not heard from the radio in X minutes/hours.

With some brands of radios it is quite possible to follow a trunked system without affiliation. Of course, you will only hear the traffic that is present on those sites...you have no ability to force traffic.

Not all systems are setup this way...some systems just send all traffic to all sites...i.e. if the system is small. Then affiliating is far less important.

Disclaimer: The above is a general description and it varies from vendor to vendor and configuration to configuration.
 

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Thanks for the quick reply. Makes sense now,..why waste a frequency when there is no one on that talkgroup to monitor it.
 

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As for a conventional system, if your not transmitting and only are receiving then there is no way to be killed.. especially if you do not have the input in the radio and just the output.. Motorola gear has such a thing as receive only personality.
 

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As for a conventional system, if your not transmitting and only are receiving then there is no way to be killed.. especially if you do not have the input in the radio and just the output.. Motorola gear has such a thing as receive only personality.

No True, if you have MDC set to decode and you have an ID in your radio that is set to disable then your radio can be turned off.

You need to have the radio set to receive only and no MDC functionality enabled.

Ex: You have your radio set to RX only on a channel and you also have the MDC functions enabled because you do not want to hear the full MDC id and you have your ID as 0000. Now some joker comes along and starts messing with the system in question and the joker thinking he is slick has there ID set to 0000.
The dispatcher or person in charge sends out the MDC Stun/Kill for ID 0000. The joker's radio is NG as is your's.
 

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No True, if you have MDC set to decode and you have an ID in your radio that is set to disable then your radio can be turned off.

You need to have the radio set to receive only and no MDC functionality enabled.

Ex: You have your radio set to RX only on a channel and you also have the MDC functions enabled because you do not want to hear the full MDC id and you have your ID as 0000. Now some joker comes along and starts messing with the system in question and the joker thinking he is slick has there ID set to 0000.
The dispatcher or person in charge sends out the MDC Stun/Kill for ID 0000. The joker's radio is NG as is your's.

Thanks I did not know this.. very educational! I had no idea.. then again, I am not a radio tech either :)
 

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I have been looking throughout the programming of my CDM's and HT-1550 radios. I can't find a stun or kill function. Is it a function of the console only, or can it be enabled say on a mobile acting as a console? Also what consoles have it, just Motorola or do the Zetron's that encode/decode MDC have it. This a project for my agency, we lose about 5 or so radios a year and we want to be able to kill them. They are already programmed for CPS lock and if full keyboard, keyboard lock.
 

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Sounded like radio repair was doing some testing this morning on Manhattan's frequency for a few hours.
 

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I have been looking throughout the programming of my CDM's and HT-1550 radios. I can't find a stun or kill function. Is it a function of the console only, or can it be enabled say on a mobile acting as a console? Also what consoles have it, just Motorola or do the Zetron's that encode/decode MDC have it. This a project for my agency, we lose about 5 or so radios a year and we want to be able to kill them. They are already programmed for CPS lock and if full keyboard, keyboard lock.

It is a function of a console, if i remember correctly .
 

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I have been looking throughout the programming of my CDM's and HT-1550 radios. I can't find a stun or kill function. Is it a function of the console only, or can it be enabled say on a mobile acting as a console? Also what consoles have it, just Motorola or do the Zetron's that encode/decode MDC have it. This a project for my agency, we lose about 5 or so radios a year and we want to be able to kill them. They are already programmed for CPS lock and if full keyboard, keyboard lock.

It might be called something like "Radio Inhibit".
 

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Latest news on the roll-out of the FDNY-EMS channels comes from a memo this week that they will be switching over on a channel-by-channel basis, one per day, to their new frequencies listed below. As a channel is switched over, they may temporarily be heard on the current EMS CW2 frequency (483.9875/94.8 PL). Dates are a target and may move around as the field techs get things ready in the various stations and units. Staten Island and Queens East are unknown at this time and not mentioned in the memo.

EMS (switchover dates in parentheses)
CW1 482.16875 / 79.7 PL (1/5/10)
CW2 482.21875 / 82.5 PL (1/20/10)
SI 482.24375 / 91.5 PL (?)
BK-C 482.50625 / 123.0 PL (1/8/10)
QN-W 482.51875 / 97.4 PL (1/6/10)
MN-N 482.75625 / 100.0 PL (1/14/10)
BX-S 482.76875 / 114.8 PL (1/12/10)
MN-C 482.98125 / 103.5 PL (1/15/10)
QN-E 483.03125 / 94.8 PL (?)
BX-N 483.20625 / 110.9 PL (1/13/10)
MN-S 483.21875 / 107.2 PL (1/19/10)
BK-N 483.28125 / 118.8 PL (1/11/10)
BK-S 483.29375 / 127.3 PL (1/7/10)
 
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