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FRS in Commercial Service
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quarterwave
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I think they liked well enough to move to another channel! LOL
quarterwave
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They are now on .575. I guess I don't care, as I don't use 575, but they other half of my mind says I still wish they would get busted. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
rapidcharger
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What you're doing might also be considered by the FCC to be "malicious interference".
What you're doing might also be considered by the FCC to be "malicious interference".
It's ONLY considered malicious if you're interfering with a licensed user! The op said the user is not.
73,
n9zas
quarterwave
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Exactly. If I want to use 67.0 today I will...and if my CWID bothers them, too bad. I didn't key up on them...I'm not a CBer, lol...but I was testing and giving ID. They are using 1/2 watt walmart radios for a business...and I (literally) cannot hear them at my site, but I can on the street that runs in front of their place.
rapidcharger
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I beg to differ. You are being a CBer. Thats what GMRS is, it's part of the citizens band.
Businesses are entitled to use FRS for business communications and your refusal to share the channel with them and also purposely changing your PL tones to teach them a lesson is a violation and very "CB"-like in nature. I don't see any exemptions in the rules entitling one to cause interference with stations in other radio services.
Businesses are entitled to use FRS for business communications and your refusal to share the channel with them and also purposely changing your PL tones to teach them a lesson is a violation and very "CB"-like in nature. I don't see any exemptions in the rules entitling one to cause interference with stations in other radio services.
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quarterwave
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462.550 is NOT a FRS frequency. They are using GMRS with no license, and they know it.
You need to get a clue.
KB7MIB
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Do the rules differentiate between licensed and unlicensed users when it comes to whom is deliberately and knowingly interfering with whom? You admit to knowing they're there. Malicious interference is malicious interference.
Do the rules differentiate between licensed and unlicensed users when it comes to whom is deliberately and knowingly interfering with whom? You admit to knowing they're there. Malicious interference is malicious interference.
Correct, but unlicensed operation on .550 is also malicious to those on that frequency who ARE licensed! So... who is really bothering who here?
Self- policing of our allowed bands is a choice left up to those with the knowledge and ability to do so!
Educating those who violate the rules in our allowed bands is up to us! :wink:
73,
n9zas
KB7MIB
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Educating unlicensed users is a good thing. Deliberately interfering with unlicensed users by a licensed user is nothing more than malicious interference. And two wrongs do not make a right. It's childish and it's illegal.
WPXJ598
Educating unlicensed users is a good thing. Deliberately interfering with unlicensed users by a licensed user is nothing more than malicious interference. And two wrongs do not make a right. It's childish and it's illegal.
WPXJ598
This is exactly my thought, too. These folks know only what is on the packaging, no different than if they were buying a light bulb!
To top it off, they get sucked in by the promise of being able to talk for "twenty miles", it's ridiculous, but there is about as much chance of altering this behavior as there is getting the toothpaste back in the tube.
quarterwave
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This is hilarious. An unlicensed (and in this case using frequency in the wrong service, AND without a license) is the same as not existing.
The is no such thing as "Deliberate", "Interference" or "Malicious".....THE USER IS ILLEGAL - THEY DO NOT EXIST TO ME.
I was already using 550. If I decided to use the same PL, well, sorry for them. I did not talk over them, nor did I harass or otherwise talk to them. But they didn't like me testing, and IDing on "their" channel. So they moved on. I don't need 67.0 now, test complete.
Keep going, I love the entertainment. And, try to convince me as a HAM this advocating you are doing is the same on your side of the fence. You would be enraged if an some pizza delivery joint setup shop running simplex on the output of your HAM repeater....and don't try to deny that.
I will share with any licensed GMRS user. I have no obligation to acknowledge an illegal.
The is no such thing as "Deliberate", "Interference" or "Malicious".....THE USER IS ILLEGAL - THEY DO NOT EXIST TO ME.
I was already using 550. If I decided to use the same PL, well, sorry for them. I did not talk over them, nor did I harass or otherwise talk to them. But they didn't like me testing, and IDing on "their" channel. So they moved on. I don't need 67.0 now, test complete.
Keep going, I love the entertainment. And, try to convince me as a HAM this advocating you are doing is the same on your side of the fence. You would be enraged if an some pizza delivery joint setup shop running simplex on the output of your HAM repeater....and don't try to deny that.
I will share with any licensed GMRS user. I have no obligation to acknowledge an illegal.
As quarterwave stated, " I have no obligation to acknowledge an illegal."
I agree. IF they are not licensed and chose not to read the damn instructions and use it on ch. 15 thru 22 which are repeater outputs for their business, then they need to be educated in the real world. I personally will ask if they are aware of the rules set forth by the commission for the general mobile radio service.
If they are clueless, then I will enlighten them as simply and nicely as I can.
If that information is ignored, then other methods can be tried. If that is considered to be malicious then tough doogies! :wink:
73,
n9zas
I agree. IF they are not licensed and chose not to read the damn instructions and use it on ch. 15 thru 22 which are repeater outputs for their business, then they need to be educated in the real world. I personally will ask if they are aware of the rules set forth by the commission for the general mobile radio service.
If they are clueless, then I will enlighten them as simply and nicely as I can.
If that information is ignored, then other methods can be tried. If that is considered to be malicious then tough doogies! :wink:
73,
n9zas
rapidcharger
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self-delete.
KD8DVR
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This is true.. I forget on what forum, but someone inquired to the FCC. They said an unlicensed user, is not a user, and therefore interfering with an unlicensed user constitutes no violation of the rules.
KB7MIB
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I would not deliberately change my PL tone and do unnecessary testing and ID'ing just to annoy and harass any other licensed or unlicensed user. I'd attempt to contact and educate them. If that failed, I'd document, then file a complaint with the FCC.
I would not deliberately change my PL tone and do unnecessary testing and ID'ing just to annoy and harass any other licensed or unlicensed user. I'd attempt to contact and educate them. If that failed, I'd document, then file a complaint with the FCC.
KB7MIB
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So don't presume to tell me what I personally would or would not do on either the Ham or GMRS channels. Thank you.
So don't presume to tell me what I personally would or would not do on either the Ham or GMRS channels. Thank you.
Nope, because they can care less, and are not going to waste what resources they have left to chase down and deal with illegal ops.
But I have the time and resources, so it's my turn! :twisted:
73,
n9zas
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