No doubt the feds will spend all kinds of money on it... they do that with a lot of stuff in this industry. but when the day come to make a decision to implement it and United, America, Delta/Northwest, Continental and US Airways all say they will close their doors if forced to spend the money required for such a system rework, it will be a long time and a very different industry then what it is today before that ever becomes a reality.
Future of aircraft hf/vhf comms monitoring
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You are missing the point.
It will be implemented.
It will be implemented in a way that allows for the use of dual mode equipment.
It will be implemented on a schedule that is possible and practical for the industry.
AND, the people planning this stuff understand the schedule time scale required.
The "casual observers" who think it is going too slow, or will never happen, have very WRONG expectations.
OK, but you are missing my point. Let me put it this way...Every one reading this board will be dead of old age before it is possible in this industry. It might be implemented when the flying public is willing to pay no less then $2-$3000 dollars for any plane ticket, but they will have to give back the pay cuts first. Somebody has to pay for all these fun toys and there are many other far less expensive things that actually need to be fixed for safety's sake that cannot even come close to being afforded by Major US airlines. Digital comms are back in the good idea line somewhere behind better onboard meals and polite flight attendants.
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Well, personally, I am planning on being around in 2023 (only 14 years from today)
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02710.pdf
Of course there do seem to be some references to NEXCOM losing its funding.
Oh well, welcome to the government.
Yeah, uncle sam has his strange ways. Food for thought when it comes to airlines and their very powerful lobby's relentless pursuit to cut company spending. Right now, more than one major US carrier is screaming very loud to congress to allow an "open skys" arrangement that will allow US airlines to make up for attrition of current pilots by contract Chinese nationals(instead of highering properly qualified pilots in the US ) with the minimum experence required to legally fly Part 121 to come to the US on 2 month rotations(with work permits) and fly the airlines aircraft with the company paying them at Chinese pay rates. Think about that the next time you put your family on an airplane....this industry is in very very big trouble.
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Witness JTRS! http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1544792020080815
What a L-M-A-O! system! :lol:
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"The Joint Tactical Radio System (JTRS) is a family of advanced software-based communications aimed at replacing current radios throughout the U.S. military. It promises secure Internet-like capabilities and networking for voice, text, audio and video."
That sounds an awful lot like cell phones!!
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Pretty much like a cell phone with a huge network attached.
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Not quite.
More like a "Do Everything" radio.
Typical government thinking. :roll:
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I dont get it...
they develop UAV's and test flying larger jets pilotless....
but in the meantime start spending all this money on a comms system (when theres nothing wrong with the current one) to help a pilot who wont even be flying a plane in 15 years?
they develop UAV's and test flying larger jets pilotless....
but in the meantime start spending all this money on a comms system (when theres nothing wrong with the current one) to help a pilot who wont even be flying a plane in 15 years?
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I think different things are being talked about here... There's a big difference between something like JTRS and average everyday civilian comms. There's a plethora of different comm protocols used across the various military services. They need something that brings all that together, instead of having 20 different things in each aircraft. But if the majority of aircraft are pilot-less in 15 years, I will be highly amazed. Even UAVs have the ability to talk through normal ground radio stations... As weird as that sounds, it would take building a whole second communication network to talk another way. It's easier just to put a radio in the UAV. The operator talks through the data link to the ship, then the ship transmits down to the ground or other aircraft, just like any other aircraft. Considering the economic problems, I don't see them rebuilding the entire ATC comm system anytime soon.
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Beam me up DOD! :lol:
Which a "Cellular Mobile Radio Telephone" pretty much is. A do everything radio with a unique way of connecting to each other.
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No!
You are missing the point.
While a cellular phone does lots of things, it does them all on one network., and does qalmost nothing off network.
JTRS is an SDR that integrated MANY different direct and network based radio communications protocols into the same physical unit.
Interesting listening tonight on 135.475 in Resolute Bay, NU. Controller asked Air Canada Flight "NNNN" if they have ADS to log on "XXX". After a brief time she asked them to confirm FL 310, and Co-ordinates NN.N West/NN.N North.
A little later a different A/C was told "I have your ADS report, the voice call was not reqd."
Appears to be moving toward less voice communications.
A little later a different A/C was told "I have your ADS report, the voice call was not reqd."
Appears to be moving toward less voice communications.
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Good catch - check the date for ADS-B service to begin:
http://www.navcanada.ca/NavCanada.a...nFiles\Services\ANSPrograms\ADS-B\default.xml
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http://www.navcanada.ca/NavCanada.a...nFiles\Services\ANSPrograms\ADS-B\default.xml
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And it was just on a whim that I did a geographical area search to see if I was missing anything and discovered that freq being TX'd here. I had forgotten all about the ADS-B roll-out.
After listening now for 3ish days it occurs to me that in this case at least we will not lose much monitoring of voice comms. There was not a whole lot to listen to anyway. Some position reports and handing out a few clearances. It makes me wonder if in busy areas around big airports, even though they will have the ability to "see" where the airplanes are, will it be too congested to try and follow it all on the screen. Will they still chat it up just as much because they need that communication link to keep everybody on the same page. Or will it advance to the point where every airplane will be able to get instructions and see everybody else's instructions and know what everybody is doing so they can do the right thing.............sounds a little daunting.
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