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AngWay

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So i'm just curious if i have a baofeng radio and my friend has one as well and we are both using a discone antenna on the roof of our house and we are 20 miles apart could we talk to each other? So right now i have a discone on my roof and i am able to pick up certain amateur radio repeaters and i can hear people talk on those so since i am able to pick it up if my friend was also able to hear it could we key up the radio and talk to each other?

I'm just trying to wrap my head around this and how it will work, i know i will need my ham radio license to and i know i'm missing something here but right now i'm just thinking if we both can hear the repeater we should be able to talk. but anyway's any help would be appreciated Thanks
 

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You and your friend could probably talk on through the repeater. The repeater probably has its antenna at a high location which improves it's ability to hear weak signals from your handheld radios.

You and your friend might be able to talk directly, aka "simplex", if both of you have antennas that are high enough.
 

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<snip> i know i will need my ham radio license <snip>
Your friend will also need a ham license as your license is only good for you. I wanted to make that point so that your friend is aware and on board with that requirement. Both of you will need at least the Technician Class ham license.
 

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Can you drive to your friend and see if you can pick up the same repeater that you can at your house?
If so then I second using that repeater to talk to each other.

How far away would that repeater be from you and from your friends house direct line of sight? Signal at your house looks to be pretty strong?
 

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as you study for the license, many of your questions will be answered. That said, the answer is probably! The discone is not a great antenna for transmitting, which might hinder talking "direct" or not thru the repeater. And of course questions here will be answerered.
Go for the license....
 

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i'm just thinking if we both can hear the repeater we should be able to talk.
I can hear repeaters but can't get into them unless I am close to them. I have a super high gain antenna at 40' high and I can talk to my wife on a HT about 8 miles. You probably cannot talk directly unless you are both on mountaintops. The few watts an HT has will never make the trip. A discone is a terrible antenna to transmit ham from. if you had higher power radios with directional yagi antennas then maybe. Get your licenses and some good used radios from Ebay and you should do well but I am doubtful you'll get anywhwere with a Baofeng.
 

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Location, location, location. Height is might. Elevation is propagation. The biggest advantage of a repeater is that they are usually very high. Most HTs (handheld transceivers) -- yes, including Baofengs -- are capable of communicating by simplex to another radio 20 miles away, but the probability that two people standing at ground level will have a straight line-of-sight shot to one another is very low. I've once talked HT-to-HT approximately 22 miles. We were both on elevated terrain features and even so, the signal was weak and scratchy. Repeaters are another beast entirely, due largely to the aforementioned elevation. This morning, I participated in a net hosted on a repeater 20+ miles away with a Baofeng UV-5R Mini using 5 watts and the stock antenna. With a 5-watt GMRS HT, I regularly use a GMRS repeater 27 miles from my house...but my house is on one of the highest points for miles around and both repeater antennas are ~300 feet above ground level.

What I'm saying is that it's technically possible for you and your buddy to talk to one another 20 miles apart with Baofeng handheld radios...but it's probably not going to happen in the real world. If you are both appropriately licensed, a whole new world opens up with repeaters. It's not at all unlikely you can communicate through the repeater, although there are a few caveats. The fact that you can hear a repeater doesn't necessarily mean it can hear you. A GMRS repeater is typically 50 watts, and a ham repeater is usually in the 50-70 watts range, but some of them output much more, sometimes 200-300 watts. That means the signal can sometimes "power through" some minor impediments like trees and buildings when your 5-10 watt HT cannot. Power isn't as important as a lot of people think, but it isn't inconsequential either.

Bottom line...get licenses and use repeaters. There may be GMRS repeaters in your area. If so, that's a good option for getting started. No test is required for a GMRS license -- just pay the FCC $35 and you get a license good for 10 years, and all your immediate family can use it. I've known people who got a GMRS license in 2-3 days, although it's usually more like a week. Then study for an amateur license. You have to pass a test, but it isn't too difficult. It's also $35 for 10 years. There are a lot more ham repeaters than GMRS repeaters, and they often have the most advantageous locations. Since you already have a radio, I recommend you don't buy another one until you've gotten a license and played around a bit. You might discover you aren't as interested as you thought you were and you don't want to be stuck with hundreds of dollars of equipment. The little Baofeng is a perfectly serviceable radio as long as you have reasonable expectations.
 

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If you go GMRS, listen to the channels for several weeks and monitor the activities. I am going to kill off my GMRS license since it isn't usable where I live now.

Amateur radio works well where I reside now.
 

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No matter which radio service you and your friend decide to use, both of you will have to be compliant with the FCC Rules and Regulations for that particular Radio Service.

FCC part 97, Amateur Radio Service, the license only covers the licensee. Of course, he or she may allow an unlicensed individual or individuals to transmit under their license with consistent supervision. Meaning, the licensee and the guest must be at the same control point / station.

FCC part 95 E, General Mobile Radio Service Licensee may allow his or her own family use their license. The FCC prefers that users who are nonrelated have their license.
 
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I can hear repeaters but can't get into them unless I am close to them. I have a super high gain antenna at 40' high and I can talk to my wife on a HT about 8 miles. You probably cannot talk directly unless you are both on mountaintops. The few watts an HT has will never make the trip. A discone is a terrible antenna to transmit ham from. if you had higher power radios with directional yagi antennas then maybe. Get your licenses and some good used radios from Ebay and you should do well but I am doubtful you'll get anywhwere with a Baofeng.

I'm assuming you have the offset set and correct PL tones?
 

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<snip> FCC part 95 E, General Mobile Radio Service Licensee may allow his or her own family use their license. The FCC prefers that users who are nonrelated have their license.
To elaborate on who is considered part of the “family” refer to:

§ 95.1705 (c) (2) Any individual who holds an individual license may allow his or her immediate family members to operate his or her GMRS station or stations. Immediate family members are the licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws.
 

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To elaborate on who is considered part of the “family” refer to:

§ 95.1705 (c) (2) Any individual who holds an individual license may allow his or her immediate family members to operate his or her GMRS station or stations. Immediate family members are the licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws.
I thought that you were telling me that I had it entirely all wrong. I knew that correct without going into important details, which you have elaborate on. Thank you, sir, for where I left off. I don't mean sound uninformed or uneducated, but I do my best to leave intelligent comments.

73s
 
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I thought that you were telling me that I had it entirely all wrong. I knew that correct without going into important details, which you have elaborate on. Thank you, sir, for where I left off. I don't mean sound uninformed or uneducated, but I do my best to leave intelligent comments.

73s
What I should have done is specifically stated “for those reading this thread and not familiar with the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) concerning ‘family’ as it applies to GMRS, here are the included members per the referenced section below:

§ 95.1705 (c) (2) Any individual who holds an individual license may allow his or her immediate family members to operate his or her GMRS station or stations. Immediate family members are the licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws.”

Sorry for the confusion… 73, Dave K4EET
 

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What I should have done is specifically stated “for those reading this thread and not familiar..."

Sorry for the confusion… 73, Dave K4EET
That happens quite a bit on this forum. It took me a while to understand that a reply to my comment isn't always directed at me. Not a problem now that I understand.
 

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That happens quite a bit on this forum. It took me a while to understand that a reply to my comment isn't always directed at me. Not a problem now that I understand.
Yes. And it is fantastic when we can clear up a misunderstanding without a flame war breaking out. LOL 😂
 
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