HP-2: Home Patrol 2 no reception

Dvfd9015

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I have downloaded the data for my towns fire department. It's a phase 2 system. I doesn't receive anything. At times it will pick up dispatch but it's not clear. I have a home Patrol 2. The system has been running for about 2 years now and tried re-download 2 times. Any idea?
 

hiegtx

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I have downloaded the data for my towns fire department. It's a phase 2 system. I doesn't receive anything. At times it will pick up dispatch but it's not clear. I have a home Patrol 2. The system has been running for about 2 years now and tried re-download 2 times. Any idea?
Is this the system you are trying to monitor?

If so, virtually all law enforcement talkgroups are tagged as encrypted. Look in the Mode column. DE means encryoted full time. Mode De (lower case "e"0 is listed as part time encrypted.Your HP-2, nor any other scanner, cannot monitor encrypted channels. Looks like most of the Fire & EMS dispatch channels are not encrypted, though some the 'tactical' talkgroups are.

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For those talkgroups (under Fire) where the TGID is a 'bold faced' blue (such as 21250), thise talkgroups are carried on the Broadcastify Calls platform. You can monitor those via the Broadcastify links; no scanner needed.

None of the sites for your county (Lee) on the system are tagged as simulcast, but the site map for Site 2 shows signs that it might be simulcast.
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Your HP-2, along with every scanner other than the Uniden SDS100 & SDS200, may have issues dealing with simulcast. See this Wili pakge for more information on simulcast.
Simulcast digital distortion - The RadioReference Wiki

You might want to have your thread moved to the Florida forum. Someone in your area might be able to confirm whether or not Site 2 is actually a simulcast site. To do that, click on the Report link in your post & make a request that a moderator move your post. Please do not creata another thread on the same subject. Just have the current one moved.
 

Dvfd9015

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Is this the system you are trying to monitor?

If so, virtually all law enforcement talkgroups are tagged as encrypted. Look in the Mode column. DE means encryoted full time. Mode De (lower case "e"0 is listed as part time encrypted.Your HP-2, nor any other scanner, cannot monitor encrypted channels. Looks like most of the Fire & EMS dispatch channels are not encrypted, though some the 'tactical' talkgroups are.

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For those talkgroups (under Fire) where the TGID is a 'bold faced' blue (such as 21250), thise talkgroups are carried on the Broadcastify Calls platform. You can monitor those via the Broadcastify links; no scanner needed.

None of the sites for your county (Lee) on the system are tagged as simulcast, but the site map for Site 2 shows signs that it might be simulcast.
View attachment 174671

Your HP-2, along with every scanner other than the Uniden SDS100 & SDS200, may have issues dealing with simulcast. See this Wili pakge for more information on simulcast.
Simulcast digital distortion - The RadioReference Wiki

You might want to have your thread moved to the Florida forum. Someone in your area might be able to confirm whether or not Site 2 is actually a simulcast site. To do that, click on the Report link in your post & make a request that a moderator move your post. Please do not creata another thread on the same subject. Just have the current one moved.
Thank you
 

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If in fact it is the Cape Coral system you are inquiring about, program the FD and those PD TalkGroups that are lower case “e”. You will find those encrypted PD TalkGroups listed in the MODE column. The uppercase “D” denotes “Digital”. The uppercase “E” denotes full time encryption and a lowercase “e” denotes part-time encryption for all on that TalkGroup, or maybe just no encryption for certain units full time. But I’ve never encountered that variant. As a rule of thumb, I don’t even bother including anything in my programming that has an upper or lowercase “e”. (The police do have sensitive or proprietary comms from time to time that are of a legitament nature and I respect the need to keep them secure. But the routine stuff such as accidents or burglaries might still be allowed in the clear if objections by the general public are expressed.)
 

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hiegtx

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Not interested in the past just fire it just doesn't work
As Whiskey3 has noted, there are several suggestions on the Simulcast Wiki page that you can try to mitigate simulcast distortion & possibly listen to the system you want to monitor. Other than possibly buying a directional antenna, such as a yagi, and aiming it at one specific sub-site (transmit tower), most of them would have no cost but a few minutes of your time.

Using "less" antenna (not a gain antenna, but one that is not very effective for weak signals) can sometimes help. One of the older, OEM antennas, which are not effective on the newer 700 & 800MHz systems, might work since it may mis the weaker signals from conflicting sites, and only use the strongest site. You can also try a paper clip for an antenna. That's a lousy antenna, and you likely would lose reception on other, more distant systems, but if it helps receive the system you are most interested in, it is worth a try.

Take a look at the site map I posted above. While I don't know your exact location in Cape Coral, if you look carefully, you'll see two sites, fairly close together, to your east, with a single site to your north, and two sites, staggered some distance apart, off to your southeast. You can use something metallic, like an aluminum baking pan, to block signals from a given direction.

Putting this as shown here blocks the signal from those sites farther away to your southeast. Maybe letting the scanner deal with the ones closet to you.

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Or, block signals from the sites to your east & southeast, leaving only the one to your north.
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One of those might work, or maybe not, But it could be worth a try. If you are trying one of these, make sure that the tip of the antenna (on the scanner) does not extend past the top of your 'blocking sheet'. It should remain just below the top of your sheet.

You can adjust, somewhat, the way the scanner handles P25 signals. On your HP-2, from the main screen, select Menu.
On the next screen select Audio Options.
On the Audio Options menu, press and hold your finger in the lower right corner of he screen (the blank area). Holding that a few seconds will pop up two P25 settings you can change on the scanner. One of them might help, At least it can be tried without any amount of pocket expense.

Remember that simulcast issues are extremely location driven. If you skim through past posts by others here on the forums, you will find comments that moving their scanner only a foot or two (sometimes even less distance) makes all the difference between hearing the desired system or hearing very little, if anything at all.

I use my HP-2 on the simulcast sites of a regional system used by Dallas (both city and county) as well as several other smaller suburbs. These use the sites labeled "Dallas Layer 1 & 2", which are simulcast. I have the OEM antenna on the HP-2, but with the antenna laid 'flat' (horizontal) on my desktop. Signals used for public safety systems are vertically polarized. Using the scanner's antenna to favor 'horizontal' polarization reduces it's effectiveness, reducing simulcast issues. My HP-2 is getting probably 70 to 80% of what I hear on one of my SDS scanners. Maybe not 100 percent, but still enough to be worth using. No guarantee, of course, that this would work for you, but still worth trying rather than setting the HP-2 aside as "useless".
 

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I have downloaded the data for my towns fire department. It's a phase 2 system. It doesn't receive anything.
Give this file a try. Save the attached zipped file to your computer and extract. Go to the File tab in HomePatrol Sentinel and click on Import from hpe file. Click on New Favorites List and name it: Lee Co FL Fire Click on OK. In the Downloads folder, open the extracted file. It will appear as a favorites list in Sentinel. Departments and sites as follows:

DEPARTMENTS:
LeeCo Interop
LeeCo Emerg Ops
LeeCo Fire/EMS
LeeCo EMS/Hosp
LeeCo Flight Ops
LeeCo Port Auth
Cape Coral Fire
SITES:
Site 1 Lee Co
Site 2 Lee Co
Site 3 Gasprl Is
Site 4 FtMyers E
 

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