Johnson County

[WA9JGB]

That is because they haven't been identified for usage. "Unidentified" or "Unknown User" info is not suppose to be in the database until confirmed usage. As soon as you guys figure out who is using what, we will put them in. For now, please post the unidentified talkgroups here

That's kinda dumb. Not everyone can search and find new tg's. Having the unidentified section is a good way to let people know there are new tg's. Some people will take those unidentified tg's and program them in, and then report what they hear. Programing a scanner is easy to most, but to some it's a major issue. Just my $0.02. Not that it matters, but I think the unidentified tg's should be listed.

 

[KD4YGG]

Has the dispatch talkgroup for "County" Units been identified yet?

 

[WA9JGB]

Has the dispatch talkgroup for "County" Units been identified yet?

Not yet

 

[KD4YGG]

Anything new on the County Fire dispatch talkgroup?

Not sure if this is a current priority with the recent flooding....

 

[DiGiTaLD]

Nothing yet. I would guess that with the floodings recently, this has probably dropped on the priorities list.

I also wonder if the recent NTIA technical report (TR-08-453) may have some influence on their move to digital voice. I know the digital voice fireground operations issue has raised a considerable fuss in the next county to the north.

 

[DiGiTaLD]

Today, during Bargersville FD's routine 1800 tone test, I also heard them test for the Trafalgar Fire Department as well. Trafalgar FD has traditionally been dispatched by the county, and I've never heard Bargersville FD's communications center do a tone test for Trafalgar FD before. I wonder if dispatch operations for Trafalgar FD are being moved to Bargersville?

 

[WA9JGB]

YES, I posted that on June 1st. BFD is now dispatching Trafalgar on 154.175.

 

[DiGiTaLD]

De-Centralizing

YES, I posted that on June 1st. BFD is now dispatching Trafalgar on 154.175.

That would explain why during the bad weather back on June 3, there were Trafalgar FD units on Bargersville's operations talkgroups.

I wonder, what is the point in further de-centralizing dispatching of departments in this county? Take Bargersville for instance. The PD is dispatched by the county, however the FD has their own communications center. Trafalgar FD was dispatched by the county, but is now dispatched by Bargersville. Trafalgar PD is dispatched by the county. When you call 911 in Bargersville, where does it go? County or BFD? If you need fire or police, or both, the call has to be bounced around from place to place before it even gets dispatched. Same issue where I live. I'm in White River's fire district, however I'm in the sheriff's jurisdiction, but WRTFD is now dispatched by Greenwood. If I call 911, my call goes to the county, but if I need fire or EMS instead of the sheriff, my call has to be sent to Greenwood. Probably the time it takes to transfer the call is somewhat trivial, but in an emergency, those seconds can and do count.

I wonder if anybody in this county has ever considered getting everybody on the same page with a centralized communications center like Indianapolis/Marion County has. It would make a lot more sense than having different communications centers all over the place, and having different communications centers dispatch different departments in the same municipalities.

 

[WA9JGB]

Most 911 calls in Bargersville IS routed to the county. In a couple of years every county will only be allowed 2 dispatch centers. For Johnson County it will be the Sheriff's Office and Greenwood. This may be 2009 or 2010 before we see this enforced.

 

[zerobleu]

That would explain why during the bad weather back on June 3, there were Trafalgar FD units on Bargersville's operations talk groups.

I wonder, what is the point in further de-centralizing dispatching of departments in this county? Take Bargersville for instance. The PD is dispatched by the county, however the FD has their own communications center. Trafalgar FD was dispatched by the county, but is now dispatched by Bargersville. Trafalgar PD is dispatched by the county. When you call 911 in Bargersville, where does it go? County or BFD? If you need fire or police, or both, the call has to be bounced around from place to place before it even gets dispatched. Same issue where I live. I'm in White River's fire district, however I'm in the sheriff's jurisdiction, but WRTFD is now dispatched by Greenwood. If I call 911, my call goes to the county, but if I need fire or EMS instead of the sheriff, my call has to be sent to Greenwood. Probably the time it takes to transfer the call is somewhat trivial, but in an emergency, those seconds can and do count.

The call routing is fairly typical 911 calls are answered by a law enforcement psap first then transferred to a fire/ems agency if necessary. As for moving agencies around this could be a move to allow the smaller agencies, with smaller budgets, to continue to operate on their existing equipment while they secure funding to upgrade to the new system. The new radio's for the Safe-T system carry a hefty price tag.

I wonder if anybody in this county has ever considered getting everybody on the same page with a centralized communications center like Indianapolis/Marion County has. It would make a lot more sense than having different communications centers all over the place, and having different communications centers dispatch different departments in the same municipalities.

There are counties in Indiana worse off than Johnson County when it comes to how many call centers there are... Lake County I think has 18 PSAP's... Imagine the call routing nightmare occurring up there...

Most 911 calls in Bargersville IS routed to the county. In a couple of years every county will only be allowed 2 dispatch centers. For Johnson County it will be the Sheriff's Office and Greenwood. This may be 2009 or 2010 before we see this enforced.

This is correct the law is set to require it by Jan 1 2015. There is more to the law than what’s below if you're interested check it out here: HE1204

SECTION 11. IC 36-8-16.5-51 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE AS A NEW SECTION TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE UPON PASSAGE]: Sec. 51. (a) For purposes of this section, a PSAP includes a public safety communications system operated and maintained under IC 36-8-15.
(b) As used in this section, "PSAP operator" means:
(1) a political subdivision; or
(2) an agency; that operates a PSAP. The term does not include a state educational institution that operates a PSAP or an airport authority established for a county having a consolidated city.
(c) Subject to subsection (d), after December 31, 2014, a county may not contain more than two (2) PSAP’s. However, a county may contain one (1) or more PSAP’s in addition to the number of PSAP’s authorized by this section, as long as any additional PSAP’s are operated by:
(1) a state educational institution; or
(2) an airport authority established for a county having a consolidated city.

 

[DiGiTaLD]

Digital Cutover

As of about 8:30 this morning, it seems that all Johnson County Fire operations are on the digital voice talkgroups. I think the jail has also cut over to digital voice, as I monitored what sounded like jail traffic on talkgroup 48144.

New county fire dispatch is 48080, confirmed this afternoon. New Fireground 1 is 48112, also confirmed this afternoon. Keep your ears open for these new talkgroups. There are a bunch that are not yet identified.

Greenwood has not cut over to their digital voice talkgroups yet, as they are still operating on their analog groups. Bargersville also seems to still be on their analog groups. Not sure about New Whiteland, but one of their radios has been constantly affiliating with their digital voice dispatch talkgroup for the better part of this evening, so they may be cut over to digital already.

 

[WA9JGB]

Your correct. Not all have switched. Here is the list that needs to be confirmed.

41CGSPD-OPS

41-JCS-CW-D

41-JCS-JAIL-D

41JCS-CRTH-D

41JCF-DSP-D

41JCF-FIRE-D

41JCF-FG1-D

41JCF-FG2-D

41JCS-ANM-D

41JCS-EMMGT-D

41GFD-DSP-D

41GFD-FIRE-D

41GFD-OPS91-D

41GFD-OPS92-D

41GFD-OPS93-D

41EFD-DSP-D

41EFD-OPS41-D

41NWFD-DSP-D

41NWFD-OP11-D

41BFD-DSP-D

41BFD-OPS1-D

41BFD-OPS2-D

I know there is someone looking here on the forum that confirm these. Please chime in.

 

[WA9JGB]

The list above does not include the dept's Admin tg's

48000 is the starting tg
Go up 16 all the way to 48512
That would be 33 tg's total.
I'm not sure if there are that many or not, but there are at least 20+
I have been told that there has been some hits on tg's in the 39xxx range off of the Franklin tower.
Anyone seeing any other unconfirmed tg's?

 

[Viper43]

The 39's could be (and most likely are) National Guard or Bartholomew Co as well and not Johnson Co., both of which can be heard on the Johnson Co sites. I hear them off the Fairland site and also hear Johnson Co off the Fairland site.

V

 

[Viper43]

48208 probably an admin channel from the talk I was hearing about locating a battery charger for ambulance 208 (I think thats the unit number I heard)

V

 

[Srobo]

This is what I have so far.

48144 - 41 JCS-JAIL-D

48272 - 41 JCS-CRTH-D

48080 - 41 JCF-DSP-D

48112 - 41 JCF-FG1-D

48256 - 41 JCS-AMN-D

GWD fire was testing voice transmissions with a PASS device going off on 48336 this afternoon which is probably one of there firegrounds. The results were not that great.

 

[DiGiTaLD]

Admin 8

48208 probably an admin channel

Yes, that's Needham/Clark Fire Admin. Its weird; the same guys showing up with the same radio IDs will identify as 80x when they're on their admin talkgroup, but identify as 30-0x when on every other talkgroup.

I submitted some updates for stuff I've confirmed to the database. Don't forget to submit 'em when you've confirmed 'em!

Here is what I have as of now, compiled from contributors to this thread, the database, my own observations, and hits showing up in UniTrunker:

48000 41BFD-DSP-D Bargersville Fire Dispatch
48016 41EFD-DSP-D Edinburgh Fire Dispatch (Confirmed Use 7/11/08)
48032 41FFD-DSP-D Franklin Fire Dispatch
48048 41NWFD-DSP-D New Whiteland Fire Dispatch
48064 41GFD-DSP-D Greenwood Fire Dispatch
48080 41JCF-DSP-D Johnson County Fire Dispatch (Confirmed Use 7/11/08)
48096 41JCF-?-D Johnson County Fire Unknown Assignment
48112 41JCF-FG1-D Johnson County Fire Fireground 1 (Confirmed Use 7/11/08)
48128 Unknown
48144 41JCS-JAIL-D Johnson County Sheriff Jail Division (Confirmed Use 7/11/08)
48160 Unknown
48176 Unknown
48192 Unknown
48208 41JCF-ADM8-D Needham/Clark Fire Administration (Confirmed Use 7/11/08 and earlier)
48224 Unknown
48240 41GFD-?-D Greenwood Fire Unknown Assignment
48256 41JCS-ANM-D Johnson County Animal Control
48272 41JCS-CRTH-D Johnson County Sheriff Courthouse Security
48288 Unknown
48304 Unknown
48320 Unknown
48336 41GFD-?-D Greenwood Fire Unknown Assignment
48352 Unknown
48368 Unknown
48384 Unknown
48400 41NWFD-OP11-D New Whiteland Fire Operations 11
48416 41FFD-EMS-D Franklin Fire EMS
48432 41FFD-ADM-D Franklin Fire Admin
48448 41FFD-OP21-D Franklin Fire Operations 21
48464 41FFD-OP22-D Franklin Fire Operations 22
48496 Unknown
48512 Unknown
48528 Unknown
48544 Unknown
48560 Unknown

All this makes me wonder, with the big fuss created by fire departments in Marion County over the switch to digital voice (when they don't have an option, as it is the nature of the beast with a P25 system), why aren't we hearing the same gripes from fire departments in Johnson County, especially when they have the option to stay analog on SAFE-T?

Is there some kind of mandate that they switch to digital voice talkgroups? Is the IPSC trying to get everyone equipped with digital voice (and P25 trunking capable) radios in preparation for a future transition of the system to a true APCO Project-25 compliant system instead of a SmartZone Omnilink? Or are they trying to be more like the Ohio MARCS system, a statewide SmartZone Omnilink that could be mixed mode if they wanted it to be, but instead uses P25 digital voice exclusively?

Its obvious that this has been in the works for some time, as I've been seeing many new 54xxx radio IDs (many assigned to fire personnel) and these new talkgroup IDs showing up on UniTrunker for months, but you'd think there'd be a reconsideration, especially with the hubbub going on about going digital just one county to the north.

Just some thoughts. Sorry for the long winded post. On with finding the new talkgroups!

 

[DiGiTaLD]

The 39's could be (and most likely are) National Guard or Bartholomew Co as well and not Johnson Co.

I concur. I believe most of these are National Guard. Not lots of voice activity (at least at the times I listen) but lots of radio affiliation activity.

 

[WA9JGB]

Yes, that's Needham/Clark Fire Admin. Its weird; the same guys showing up with the same radio IDs will identify as 80x when they're on their admin talkgroup, but identify as 30-0x when on every other talkgroup.

Needham and Clark Fire joined as one Dept. Clark units are the 8XX and Needham are the 30XX units. Not sure why they do the things they do, but that's the reason for the differences on the Admin channel.

 

[DiGiTaLD]

Johnson County Fair Traffic

Johnson County Fair Traffic this year (so far) is on analog Fireground 3 (41JCF-FG3) , and it is still being referred to on the air as Fireground 3, even though Fireground 1 is now digital.

Maybe not all the analog fireground are being replaced by digital firegrounds?