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davidp124

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Ben: Here are the frequencies for the Warren County area.

854.9625
854.9875
855.7375
856.9875
857.4625
857.9875
858.7625
859.2375
866.0125
866.5125
867.0125
867.5125
868.0125
 

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Been monitoring over a week now,someone on yahoo group has reported hearing apco voice on kwins from pikeville area but i have yet to hear anything other than annoying chirping sounds that hang my scanner up...will keep all posted and if i hear anything you will be the first to know..
 

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well if all this is going to be is a all data system then I think the state tax payer dollers is going to something that it shouldn't go to. At lease put both data and voice on it. EX. MARCS, Michigan system, AWINS just to name a few. Hopefully this system will light up with voice some time soon. Just my 2 cents worth.
 

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I agree. I spent some time looking around the database at other states and they have great systems, or are building them. Kentucky does not seem to be making much progress.
 

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unitcharlie said:
Thanx..... sometime soon, when the schedule slows down some, I need to start sorting all of this out....


Hehe, now you can take back all those names you use to call me when it took a long time for me to get all your info in :p
 

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scannerfreak: you got me!

Kentucky's statewide data system is a good idea and will be a very solid tool for local AND statewide agencies... statewide voice might be more of a problem because of the varied terrain and, at this point, the need to reconcile a number of freqs in conflict in various areas. But the most serious problem with putting an 800 meg statewide voice system on line is the lack of 800 meg radios across the state: Troopers use 400 meg voice, many agencies in the state use VHF hi, very few have 800 gear.

It appears that there are two distinct systems mingled in the database.... one with towers on 32 click centers and one with towers on a 113 click center... that is the first chore, to migrate the two systems to their own listings and then correctly identify the other system. And all of the info submitted in this thread has helped a great deal to that end....
 

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I agree with unit charlie i think voice comms will stay in the 400mhz range remember this system is fairly new and they used their last system from 1978 till 2002 and for them to go voice on 800mhz is probably not going to happen anytime soon..remember the federal gov done this thru a grant and spent nearly 40million on this new apco 400mhz p25 system and 800mhz voice would not be that reliable in the mountians here where i am and will probably have one heck of a time getting this dada thing working well here where i am anyway because 800mhz just don't cut the mustard in east ky..aep uses it on an edacs system for voice but believe me i have them in my scanner and a lot of times if the weather isn't just right they have a hard time communicating with one another ...so we will just have to wait and see what happens ..73's
 

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Hi All:
This is the first portion of the gleanings in an attempt to amass a true KYWINS. I started with Pulaski and Laurel Counties since that is where the first "experiment" is happening... I then moved northbound on I-75 because the system listed in Laurel and Pulaski Counties also has towers in Fayette County (AND Jefferson, Whitley, and Allen Counties). That system, WQEY742, and it's apparent sister, WQEY743 (Kenton, Grant, Fayette, Oldham, Powell and Mc Cracken Counties); both systems are marked in red for easy reference. EDIT: You'll also notice these are ITAC Channels 1--5. I added the listing for Madison because I was looking there for something else and noticed that system. The description for the system use is extrapolated from the FCC info--I don't know if it is correct. However, I feel the dates, in this case, tell the story and will be the defining feature.... I am going to program these freqs into my scanner in place of the earlier freqs just to see what happens..... I will post updates to the data base as I make more sense of the listings... but will put the information here as I sort it out.... Again, thanx for all the help in starting the sorting process....

collier

PULASKI COUNTY

WQEY742 866.01250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF MINTONVILLE Mutual Aid / Interop
WQEY742 866.51250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF MINTONVILLE Mutual Aid / Interop
WQEY742 867.01250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF MINTONVILLE Mutual Aid / Interop
WQEY742 867.51250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF MINTONVILLE Mutual Aid / Interop
WQEY742 868.01250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF MINTONVILLE Mutual Aid / Interop


WQCQ416 855.98750 2005-04-29 FB2 GP MINTONVILLE DATA
WQCQ416 856.76250 2005-04-29 FB2 GP MINTONVILLE DATA

WQCD577 855.21250 2005-02-07 FB2 GP MOUNT VICTORY DATA
WQCD577 856.76250 2005-02-07 FB2 GP MOUNT VICTORY DATA

WQCR849 856.21250 2005-05-11 FB2 GP SOMERSET DATA
WQCR849 857.76250 2005-05-11 FB2 GP SOMERSET DATA
WQCR849 858.76250 2005-05-11 FB2 GP SOMERSET DATA


LAUREL COUNTY

WQEY742 866.01250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF LONDON Mutual Aid / Interop
WQEY742 866.51250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF LONDON Mutual Aid / Interop
WQEY742 867.01250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF LONDON Mutual Aid / Interop
WQEY742 867.51250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF LONDON Mutual Aid / Interop
WQEY742 868.01250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF LONDON Mutual Aid / Interop


WPUJ435 854.96250 2002-03-15 FB2 YP LONDON VOICE
WPUJ435 854.98750 2002-03-15 FB2 YP LONDON VOICE
WPUJ435 855.21250 2002-03-15 FB2 YP LONDON VOICE
WPUJ435 855.23750 2002-03-15 FB2 YP LONDON VOICE
WPUJ435 855.46250 2002-03-15 FB2 YP LONDON VOICE
WPUJ435 855.48750 2002-03-15 FB2 YP LONDON VOICE
WPUJ435 855.98750 2002-03-15 FB2 YP LONDON VOICE
WPUJ435 856.23750 2002-03-15 FB2 YP LONDON VOICE
WPUJ435 856.26250 2002-03-15 FB2 YP LONDON VOICE
WPUJ435 856.76250 2002-03-15 FB2 YP LONDON VOICE

WQCB621 856.98750 2005-01-25 FB2 GP LONDON DATA
WQCB621 858.93750 2005-01-25 FB2 GP LONDON DATA

WQCD299 855.46250 2005-02-03 FB2 GP LONDON DATA


FAYETTE COUNTY

WQEY742 866.01250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF CLAYS FERRY Mutual Aid / Interop
WQEY742 866.51250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF CLAYS FERRY Mutual Aid / Interop
WQEY742 867.01250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF CLAYS FERRY Mutual Aid / Interop
WQEY742 867.51250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF CLAYS FERRY Mutual Aid / Interop
WQEY742 868.01250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF CLAYS FERRY Mutual Aid / Interop


WQEY743 866.01250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF LEXINGTON Mutual Aid / Interop
WQEY743 866.51250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF LEXINGTON Mutual Aid / Interop
WQEY743 867.01250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF LEXINGTON Mutual Aid / Interop
WQEY743 867.51250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF LEXINGTON Mutual Aid / Interop
WQEY743 868.01250 2006-05-19 FB2 GF LEXINGTON Mutual Aid / Interop



MADISON COUNTY

WQAQ630 854.98750 2004-07-20 FB2 YP RICHMOND VOICE
WQAQ630 855.23750 2004-07-20 FB2 YP RICHMOND VOICE
WQAQ630 855.46250 2004-07-20 FB2 YP RICHMOND VOICE
WQAQ630 855.48750 2004-07-20 FB2 YP RICHMOND VOICE
WQAQ630 856.21250 2004-07-20 FB2 YP RICHMOND VOICE
WQAQ630 856.23750 2004-07-20 FB2 YP RICHMOND VOICE
WQAQ630 856.26250 2004-07-20 FB2 YP RICHMOND VOICE
WQAQ630 856.76250 2004-07-20 FB2 YP RICHMOND VOICE
WQAQ630 856.98750 2004-07-20 FB2 YP RICHMOND VOICE
WQAQ630 857.98750 2004-07-20 FB2 YP RICHMOND VOICE
 
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Michigan's APCO25 system

ShawnCowden said:
well if all this is going to be is a all data system then I think the state tax payer dollers is going to something that it shouldn't go to. At lease put both data and voice on it. EX. MARCS, Michigan system, AWINS just to name a few. Hopefully this system will light up with voice some time soon. Just my 2 cents worth.

I was told that Michigan's APCO25 is just voice. The data portion is over another type of system, not over the frequencies listed in the RR database for State of Michigan's statewide system. I was suprised, figuring the data and voice were co-existing over the same data channels.
 

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This is what I believe is the set-up for the I-75/I-64/Ohio Valley Corridors, using in-place 800 meg gear.... the system is arbitrarily south-to-north because the first known experiment is in the southern part of the I-75 corridor... I-65 Corridor starts at Site 9 (Scottsville)... these are ITAC Channels 1 thru 5--mutual aid freqs...

Reportedly there are twenty 800 meg sites covering the I75, I64 and Ohio Valley corridors.... there are two in northern Kentucky that have been canceled, they are licensed to county governments but use the same freqs (there is a like system in Mc Cracken county as well)

Coming soon, hopefully, updates for the 150 meg and 450 meg mutual aid freqs...

Site Description Freqs
1 PLEASANTVIEW (I-75 WHITLEY) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125 867.5125
WQEY742 868.0125

2 LONDON (I-75 LAUREL) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125 867.5125
WQEY742 868.0125

3 MINTONVILLE (I-75 PULASKI) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125 867.5125
WQEY742 868.0125

4 MOUNT VERNON (I-75 ROCKCASTLE) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125 867.5125
WQEZ287 868.0125

5 CLAYS FERRY (I-75 FAYETTE) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125 867.5125
WQEY742 868.0125

6 LEXINGTON (I-75 FAYETTE) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125 867.5125
WQEY743 868.0125

7 DRY RIDGE (I-75 GRANT) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125 867.5125
WQEY743 868.0125

8 COVINGTON (I-75 KENTON) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125 867.5125
WQEY743 868.0125

9 SCOTTSVILLE (I-65 ALLEN) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125 867.5125
WQEY742 868.0125

10 BOWLING GREEN (I-65 WARREN) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125 867.5125
WQEZ287 868.0125

11 ELIZABETHTOWN (I-65 HARDIN) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125 867.5125
WQEZ287 868.0125

12 JEFFERSONTOWN (I-65 JEFFERSON) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125 867.5125
WQEY742 868.0125

13 LAGRANGE (OHIO VALLEY OLDHAM) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125 867.5125
WQEY743 868.0125

14 WESTBEND (I-64/MTN PKWY POWELL) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125 867.5125
WQEY743 868.0125

15 COLUMBIA (LBN PKWY ADAIR) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125 867.5125
WQEZ287 868.0125

16 HENDERSON (OHIO VALLEY HENDERSON) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125 867.5125
WQEZ287 868.0125

17 MADISONVILLE (ETB & WKY PKWY HOPKINS) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125
WQEZ287 867.5125 868.0125

18 PADUCAH (OHIO VALLEY MC CRACKEN) 866.0125 866.5125 867.0125
WQEY743 867.5125 868.0125
 
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UPDATED INFORMATION:

Based upon numerous hours of research and some serious and much appreciated help from some dedicated scannerheads this is a synopsis of my findings on the KYWINS System... it is NOT a trunked system, it is a conventional system based primarily on frequencies that are reserved for mutual aid use or already licensed to KSP and other law enforcement agencies for that use.... there are numerous freqs licensed to KSP that may or may not be part of some other system; there appears to be a data only system in place to provide statewide MDT service.... I plan to modify the listing in the database to reflect this newly discovered information placing the different systems on line as I sort them out..... this is a nugget of the information glesaned from the Kentucky Government web pages dedicated to this subject:

from: http://www.kwiec.ky.gov/interoperability/mutualaid.htm

150 MHz Band
The KLEEN channel is dedicated to law enforcement emergency use. It is a national channel set aside by the FCC and each state is free to set their own rules and assign it their own name. It is restricted to law enforcement, but the Commonwealth may petition the FCC to grant authorizations for other public safety usage. The Commonwealth has 22 KLEEN Base Stations across Kentucky.

The Inner City channel is dedicated to law enforcement communication between police departments. For the most part, it is no longer used. However, many agencies in Kentucky still have this channel licensed. There are numerous Inner City Base Stations operating at the local level. At the state level, there are 16 Inner City Base Stations across Kentucky with each connected to a Kentucky State Police (KSP) Post.

450 MHz Band
The KSP State channel is dedicated to public safety emergency use. It is licensed, operated, and controlled by the KSP. It consists of 96 Base Stations across Kentucky. It is the only known dedicated statewide infrastructure in place for communications interoperability. 45 public safety agencies have signed Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) to use this Mutual Aid channel as an emergency communications link into the KSP. The coverage is statewide and excellent with a 95% coverage footprint.

800 MHz Band
The FCC adopted the National Public Safety Plan which created the National Public Safety Planning Advisory Committee (NPSPAC) to assign mutual aid channels to facilitate communications interoperability among local, state, and federal public safety agencies. It consists of one calling channel and four tactical channels. The following information added 20061028 based upon other information (replacing outdated info from the original web page construction): There are twenty operating 800MHz base stations in the Commonwealth. These stations are located along the I-75 and I-65 corridors as well as other locations to allow coverage of the Ohio Valley and other selected areas with operating 800MHz Public Service Systems.
 
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THANKS UNITCHARLIE for the info on scottsville ky !!! ill have to say your doing your homework on this as i know it takes a great deal of time
 

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Thanks UnitCharlie for your dedication in researching this for all of us. I will keep the listed frequencies going for any activity here in Bowling Green and will monitor our agency's progress as well.

Thanks
David
 

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Hi Folks:
It is no problem.... a few years ago I came to this site a lost, wanna-be trunker and found the answers and received lot of help from people who really cared... it is the least I can do to return the favor and make this THE place for scannerheads to learn (that includes me, the more I know the less I really know!)...
I can't take credit for all of the work, everyone who sent me info about their LOCAL listening helped narrow the search, everyone who has sent me other info about systems has helped as well. Scanners spread across the Commonwealth is what has helped get this new info in place...
Figuring out the 150 meg and 450 meg system isn't going to be as easy.... there are supposed to 22--150meg base stations and 96--450 meg base stations... This is a mutual aid system at this point, it is set-up so any first responders (eventually it will include Fire, EMS, Emergency Management, etc) can comunicate with anyone else they need to... the key is the various KSP Posts thru which all the radio traffic will travel... the consoles can bridge the 150 and 450 traffic so everyone can comminicate.... I have entered most of the 800 meg stuff and will get to the 150 and 450 as I can figure out which is which... but it seems the 800 system is the first to go on line as an "experiment"...
The plans for the 150 meg and 450 meg systems will be posted on the revamped KYWINS page when I finish with the 800 System sites....

Again, ALL, thanx for the help....
 

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Unitcharlie, Thanks for all the work you did. I read all the links you provided and I am pleasantly surprised that this system sounds like a good thing. I know that even with a state wide trunked system there would be no way, without some serious grant money, to get ALL agencies on the same system. This program should allow near 100% interoperability in KY as soon as all agencies program their radios, which is significantly cheaper.
 

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The way you say it almost sounds as if "they" might be catching on...LOL

BTW, the primary UHF/VHF (453.300 and 155.475) freqs are already in the RR database, they are no secret..
 
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