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This might have already been answered. But why don't the mobiles get to listen to other mobiles. I would think that if I were an LASD officer, I would like to hear for myself what my partners are doing instead of having the dispatcher repeat it.

I have had two experiences where a fellow officer asked for help and the dispatcher didn't catch what he had said, but I did and was enroute 30 seconds before the officers were able to repeat there transmissions so that the dispatcher heard it. In both cases they had responded to a call and were confronted by a man with a gun.

Just my two cents

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Hey guys, one addditional question RE LASO... when I monitor, say, the Carson freq (dispatch 9), I oftentimes hear dispatches from East LA, Altadena, etc, even though those stations have their own dedicated dispatch frequencies... what gives with that? I am not aware of LASO doing multicasting on dispatches, and what, pray-tell, would a deputy in Carson be intereseted in a call regarding the Altadena station, or even Palmdatle? doesn't quite add up in logic. Any ideas would be greatly obliged!!!!
 

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OK...

As for the beeps, I dont know of an actual answer to why they use them (yes, of course it is so officers... er, deputies dont step on one another.. but why not just use the repeater for what it was designed for??). I have been told by various people that they do it to conceal certain transmissions... but since the dispatcher basically repeats what she was just told, this argument does not hold water. This is how the system has been for decades... since the lowband days.

The reason you hear other stations on your channel is because of the call volume at Dispatch center. If it is really slow, then they will 'patch' one or more (sometimes 5!) channels to one dispatch consule. This has been done for decades. It is a supremely effective way of streamlining dispatch efficancy. So, if AltaDena is really slow, they will patch them to Carsons frequency and use one dispatcher for two persons jobs. I am sure Carson does not want to hear Altadenas calls... but it could be worse.

Most 'in progress' incidents are put into the repeater mode. So if you hear units talking to each other, something fun is happening.

483.5375 is *the* freq to listen to LASO... it is the Air/Swat/K9 channel, and most, if not ALL, serious incidents get dispathed on this channel... then you can switch over to where the actual incident is happening.

...I have been convinced for some time that all the weird radio prcedures used by this department (the beeps... switching to LTac to talk to your partner... etc) puts deputies at risk.
 

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I have previously been told that its done that way to limit the amount of radio traffic initiated by officers. However, I am not convicned that from an officer safety point of view that doing it that way makes sense. In Virginia years ago the state police did the same thing, keep the repeater turned off unless requested/needed for a specific event. As more and more situations evolved requiring them to keep the system on repeat they eventually caved in and just started using the system with the repeater on all the time. That way makes a lot more sense to me.
 

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Dont hold your breath waiting for LASO to 'cave in', they have done it that way for years, and none of the Deputies I have spoken with mind the beeps as much as we do... I dont think they hear it anymore, it is like background noise to them.
 

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thanks for the info RE apparent "multicasting" of dispatch calls from different stations on a single frequency. I recall, as a kid, my parents had a grocery store in LA, and the grocery delivery guy would bring his police radio with him, leave it turned on while he unloaded boxes of groceries to our store, and I vividly remember hearing the "beeps" even back then, and that is what got me started in public safety monitoring!(circa mid-late 60's).

At least, the LASO is monitorable. I live in Orange County, besides housing the "happiest place on earth", it also houses the "encryption land of the South", and whenener I think about that or see our patrol cars on the streets with the cops on their cell phones.... well. it conjures up hypertension on my part, and most likely, a big waste of money on the citizens' part. At least, we can monitor animal control!!!!!! Watch it, there is a 459 in progress by a pair ot Siberian Huskies.... don't want the bad guys to hear of it!!!!
 

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Something to point out is that most Deputies have their radiocar mobile tuned to their station's local tactical frequency. Their portable/handheld is tuned to the Dispatch frequency. A Deputy can communicate with with their station desk via L-tac as it is always monitored by the station dispatcher. They can also communicate with other field units as most of them are also monitoring L-tac. Because all calls for service come in to each respective Sheriff's Station, not a call center, a deputy can get updates on a call faster by communicating with the station desk.
As far as Officer or Deputy safety, LASD's Dispatchers are very good. If they happen to miss a transmission from a field unit, they can play back that transmission instantly. Also the station Dispatcher is monitoring field transmissions. In all of the years I have worked for this department, I don't ever recall a Dispatcher not acknowledging any of my transmissions.
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totally confused newbie..

ok guys Ive been out of scanning for 20 years or so .. Im looking for a handheld by radio shack or uniden that I can monitor la sheriff lakewood and surrounding areas, chp etc. all this trunked, digital, etc info has me totally confused. Do i have to spend 500 bucks for digital to monitor la sheriff? what models of handhelds will suit my needs. please remember Im ignorant to the new tech. thanks
 

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To monitor LASO and CHP you don't need anything that will cost you $500. Both are analog systems (not digital) and are not trunked. I would recommend a scanner with tone squelch capability for the CHP. That agency uses some of its frequencies close enough that without tone squelch, in use by the CHP in their radios, you may hear two area office's dispatch frequencies at the same time. When I visit family near LAX I can pick up 42.44 MHz used by the west L.A. area office (79) and called "pink" while at the same time hearing 42.44 MHz being used by the San Gorgonio Pass (97) and Indio (76) area offices on "red". Each have different tones so they don't have to listen to each other and in this case a different mobile frequency is used by each and thus the difference in the color label. When I am in L.A. there is enough to listen to just to keep up with the area I'm interested in and I don't need Indio blasting in while trying to listen to the happenings on the 405. The tone squelch capability allows me to listen to only the pink and if I hear of something happening near Banning Pass I can then tune into the red.

The limiting factor in buying a radio only capable of listening to only two radio systems is losing out when you travel with a scanner, losing out when all the action switches from one agency to another and not being able to hear the outcome of an incident, and finally you lose the ability to keep listening to agencies as they change radio systems. Look at the growth of the 400 MHz trunked system being employed by Glendale called "ICIS". It appears this system will grow to cover a significant number of cities in the near future. You may end up buying lots of lower cost radios frequently instead of a higher costing radio less frequently. Going low cost in the short run could cost more in the long run. I remember when I purchased a lower cost single band crystal controlled scanner in 1970 when I could have paid a little more to get a low/high VHF scanner. I told myself I was just interested in the LAPD, but found the need to listen to the CHP within 6 months and also did not have the capability to listen to the LASO. Later when I moved out of state not having low band kept me from hearing the county sheriff where I was living.

People are often saying that $500 seems like a lot to pay for a scanner. When I purchased my 8 channel VHF high Regency crystal controlled scanner in 1970 it was $100. When I purchased my first programmable handheld PRO-30 sixteen channel rig in 1984 it cost $346 with the extra batteries, charger, and 12 volt adapter. Think of the worth of $100 in 1970 and the worth of $346 in 1984. I find $500 more than understandable in comparison to what I paid in the past, considering the incredibile channel capability, alphanumeric display, being able to store programs on a computer, and all the other neat features.
 
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Official Word From LASO

zackhenderson said:
Sorry to bring up an old post, but I was wondering why LASO even has the beeps when a field unit is talking...seems like it would be a real annoyance!
Here is the official word from the LASO (LASD), an email from a supervisor friend at LASO Communications Center (SCC), about the use of the "busy tone":

From : Ortega, Alfred D. <XXXX@lasd.org>
Sent : Tuesday, January 3, 2006 10:42 AM
To : David <hotdjdave@XXXX.com>
Subject : Radio Busy Tone

David,

Deputy safety is the primary reason for the busy tone. Air control is vital during an emergency; transmission discipline is essential. This is never more true than when handling a deputy involved shooting. Air time for the handling deputy is absolutely crucial. Who else knows conditions at the scene? Status of on-scene deputies, number and location of suspects? Direction of fire, kill zone, arriving unit deployment etc.? After getting out the location and rolling rescue a dispatcher's most important function is insuring that the handling deputy has air time when he needs it. There is no doubt that everyone has only good intentions during a 998, but far too often the involved unit can not get a word in edgewise because of all the responding units. If we eliminate the busy tone the dispatcher's job will become more difficult during emergencies. I have personally handled seven 998's and supervised communications on a couple dozen more. With rare exception, there is less air time for the handling unit when the units can hear each other directly because it is harder for the dispatcher to control the air. When units can hear the requesting deputy they get more excited and less controlled in their response. A deputy under fire has enough to worry about, he needs a communications professional to handle the radio traffic.

If we eliminate the busy tone (implement full repeat) we will lose functionality and flexibility built into the system. Presently any unit can request the patch and gain the exclusivity an emergency call or coordination requires. Any time desk personnel or a station Watch Commander feel the patch would be helpful their request will automatically be accommodated. Radio channels exist for the field, but they are a shared resource. Compliance with communications procedures and on-the-air discipline is necessary to regulate usage of the communications system. The system is self-regulating by design. Except for an emergency situation, units must go through the control point, SCC, in order to communicate. This control does not benefit SCC directly, we rarely use the system. The Watch Commanders, desk personnel and field users we serve benefit from this control. It is easier for a Watch Commander to interject his direction into a situation when SCC controls the air.

Our present system was designed around the concept of centralized dispatch with decentralized command and control. The channel assignment in the Radio Room is controlled by a workload algorithm which permits us to handle all of our dispatch channels with less than half of the staffing and dispatch consoles required by a fixed system. Putting each channel on full repeat would require that we assign no more that one channel to each dispatch console. When channels are in full repeat, such as during self dispatch, units on different channels are unable to copy each other. There is no busy tone either during full repeat operations, therefore units have no idea when they can transmit without covering units on other channels. The Los Angeles Police Department does not have a busy tone on their channels. Their configuration, however, requires one dispatcher and console for each station. Our Radio Room has eighteen consoles, all of which would be required if we were to operate in full repeat mode. Conservatively, we would require an additional six consoles minimum to make full repeat work. One console for Telephone Operations, one for Transit Services Bureau, SCC Access Channel and the Emergency Trigger Channel, one to handle the various support channels such as Aero Bureau Dispatch, Special Units Dispatch etc., one console for tactical channels including the five mutual aid channels and two additional consoles minimum to address maintenance requirements. Minimum staffing would have to be increased from eight to twenty eight on each shift, including the relief factor!

Are there any advantages to eliminating the busy tone? We believe there have been times when help would have arrived sooner if the units heard each other directly as they do in a full repeat configuration. Certainly we could hypothesize a scenario wherein full duplex mode makes the difference between life and death. In reality, however, we have never heard such an incident. Typically the time that would be saved is less than a minute and these incidents are few and far between. The question is do the disadvantages outweigh the potential advantages? There would be much less air time available because a lot more units would be using the channel. A Lakewood Watch Commander, for example, would not have sole control over what went out over his frequency because he would be sharing with Norwalk to the north and perhaps Lynwood to the west.

We understand the heart and purpose of those questioning the busy tone. We know that in certain incidents it could make a difference, but we do not believe the potential benefit outweighs the potential detriment. We have station desk personnel who know the area monitoring the channels with us. Anyone can ask for the patch, even the SCC dispatcher can use her own judgment and activate it. Certain incidents require the automatic activation of the duplex patch, which accomplishes the same goals as full repeat would. During emergencies the Station Watch Commander has a direct line to the SCC Watch Commander and can exert necessary control over any situation.

Sergeant Alfred Ortega
Sheriff's Communications Center
Radio Room Operations
(323) ###-####
<XXXX@lasd.org>​

Note: Some conatct information has been redacted for confidentiality purposes. :cool:
 

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Sounds legit to me...

I mean, if *they* are happy with their system I guess it oes not matter what us scanner dorks think.

Since this topic has come up (again) I have been listening a lot more to the LASO, and I will say this, their dispatchers are really good.
 

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Since this topic has come up (again) I have been listening a lot more to the LASO, and I will say this, their dispatchers are really good.
I think I may have said this in a previous post on this thread but I've often said that the LASO dispatchers had the fastest mouths in the west, with the exception of Chick Hern. The human brain can comprehend speech at about 100 to 200 words per minute and we typically speak at about 40. This is why we often find our mind wandering when someone is talking. At the speed those LASO dispatchers talk I find that my mind doesn't wander at all!
 

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that was a very informative reply from Sgt Ortega of the LASD about the beeps while monitoring. He certainly was forthcoming about the rationale for doing this, and wasn't at all, with his comments, concerned about the "bad guys" listening in to cause havoc or danger with the deputies or with certain calls, like 459's or 211's in progress. Just wondering out loud, but wonder what our illustrious police guys in Orange County would say in response to his reply... I am sure it wouldn't change their present encryption set-up, but hey, every little bit of input from other police agencies which don't encrypt would at least make some of our feelings known. Also, in today's Orange County Register, it stated that for past several years, crime rate as whole in LA has come down, and they are using APCO P-25, conventional, UNENCRYPTED. so really, does the encryption help out? I'd better go see patients, our by dwelling on this topic, my BP might go up!!!!!
 

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sheriff repeater input access

Another thing to remember with the sheriff system is that many scanners allow a single or 2 button access to the repeater input on the 396 it is the F key and the . (no) button. If you are close enough to the sheriff that is talking on the radio you will hear them with no need to program the whole system and all the inputs too.
Personally I have recently realized that the Sheriff is more interesting than the LAPD. Those guys work their asses off. The LTac system is great ! You get to hear all the action.

If you live in LA then the answer is yes you need to spend about $500.00 to monitor effectively. For that kind of money you get a BCT396T and be done with it. Great radio for LA from the CHP down low to the Disneyland 900 trunked system to the hearable part of the OC digital system to SMPD (APCO 25) to the (APCO 25)digital system at the LA AFB. All the fire, industrial.
In order to do all of this monitoring effectively the 396 is the best radio I have for Los Angeles.
For me what makes all the difference is being able to set up a understandable frequency file structure. The 396 does this very well.
Yaesumofo
 

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hotdjdave said:
Note: Some contact information has been redacted for confidentiality purposes.
Yes, that really hides his identity. I would have expected "redacting" from LASO, or the feds, but not from one of our own.
 

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mdfillipp said:
Yes, that really hides his identity. I would have expected "redacting" from LASO, or the feds, but not from one of our own.
I posted his name, I was not trying to hide his identity. I only redacted his phone number and email address. I don't have permission to post that information.

The contents of the letter is intact, though.
 
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LA County Sheriff frequencies.

Hi Everyone,

It is a pain to listen to the dispatch channels 1-15 then L-Tac frequencies and find all of them and put them into my scanner.

I think it is better to listed all 15 dispatch frequencies and L-Tac frequencies group together then findiing the right frequencies for each dispatch and L-Tac together and the other LASO frequencies at the bottom.

I took out the doubles frequencies then it is so much easyer

Los Angeles County Sheriff

DISP 1 ALD/CVS 483.9875 Altadena/Crescenta Valley
DISP 2 WHD 483.3625 West Hollywood
DISP 3 ELA 483.2125 East Los Angeles
DISP 4 CEN 483.2625 Century
DISP 5 SCT 482.8625 Santa Clarita
DISP 6 SDM/WAL 482.9375 San Dimas/Walnut
DISP 7/15 AVN/LMT/PMD 483.0375 Avalon/Lomita
DISP 8 IDT 483.6875 Industry
DISP 9 CAS/CPT 484.1625 Carson/Compton
DISP 10 LHS 482.9125 Lost Hills
DISP 11 TEM 482.9875 Temple
DISP 12 LNX/MDR 483.4375 Lennox/Marina Del Rey
DISP 13 NWK/PRV 483.7625 Norwalk/Pico Rivera
DISP 14 CRS/LKD 483.1375 Cerritos/Lakewood

L-TAC 1 483.9125 Local Tactical 1
L-TAC 2 482.8875 Local Tactical 2
L-TAC 3 483.3875 Local Tactical 3
L-TAC 4 483.9625 Local Tactical 4
L-TAC 5 483.4625 Local Tactical 5
L-TAC 6 483.4875 Local Tactical 6
L-TAC 7 483.2375 Local Tactical 7
L-TAC 8 483.1125 Local Tactical 8
L-TAC 9 483.8625 Local Tactical 9
L-TAC 10 484.0125 Local Tactical 10
L-TAC 11 483.1875 Local Tactical 11
L-TAC 12 483.4125 Local Tactical 12

A-TAC 1 483.0875 Area Tactical (North)
A-TAC 2 483.1625 Area Tactical (West)
A-TAC 3 483.0125 Area Tactical (East)
A-TAC 4 484.1125 Area Tactical (South)

C-TAC 1 482.8125 County Tactical 1
C-TAC 2 482.8375 County Tactical 2

M-AID 1 483.5875 Mutual Aid 1
M-AID 2 484.0875 Mutual Aid 2
M-AID 4 484.1375 Mutual Aid 4
M-AID 5 484.0625 Mutual Aid 5

SCC ACC 484.2125 Small Cities Coordination Access

TSB*D16 483.3125 Transit Bureau
L-TAC TSB 483.0625 Local Tactical Transit Bureau

Areo Bureau Dispatch 483.6375
Emergency Trigger 483.2875
SV-1 Special OPS 483.8875
SV-2 Special OPS 482.9625
 
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Howdy! I modified your list with additions/corrections:
Changes made were adding full names of Patrol Stations, separated Patrol Station names where applicable, changed Avalon & Lomita frq. from 483.0375 to 484.0375, added Lawndale Patrol Station, and added Dispatch 15 for Lancaster and Palmdale.
Updated list:
DISP 1 ALD/CVS 483.9875 Altadena & Crescenta Valley
DISP 2 WHD 483.3625 West Hollywood
DISP 3 ELA 483.2125 East Los Angeles
DISP 4 CEN 483.2625 Century
DISP 5 SCT 482.8625 Santa Clarita Valley
DISP 6 SDM/WAL 482.9375 San Dimas & Walnut/Diamond Bar
DISP 7 AVN/LMT 484.0375 Avalon & Lomita
DISP 8 IDT 483.6875 Industry
DISP 9 CAS/CPT 484.1625 Carson & Compton
DISP 10 LHS 482.9125 Malibu/Lost Hills
DISP 11 TEM 482.9875 Temple
DISP 12 LNX/MDR 483.4375 Lennox & Marina Del Rey & Lawndale
DISP 13 NWK/PRV 483.7625 Norwalk & Pico Rivera
DISP 14 CRS/LKD 483.1375 Cerritos & Lakewood
DISP 15 483.0375 Lancaster & Palmdale

LB_Scanner_Guy said:
Hi Everyone,
I took out the doubles frequencies then it is so much easyer
Los Angeles County Sheriff
DISP 1 ALD/CVS 483.9875 Altadena/Crescenta Valley
DISP 2 WHD 483.3625 West Hollywood
DISP 3 ELA 483.2125 East Los Angeles
DISP 4 CEN 483.2625 Century
DISP 5 SCT 482.8625 Santa Clarita
DISP 6 SDM/WAL 482.9375 San Dimas/Walnut
DISP 7/15 AVN/LMT/PMD 483.0375 Avalon/Lomita
DISP 8 IDT 483.6875 Industry
DISP 9 CAS/CPT 484.1625 Carson/Compton
DISP 10 LHS 482.9125 Lost Hills
DISP 11 TEM 482.9875 Temple
DISP 12 LNX/MDR 483.4375 Lennox/Marina Del Rey
DISP 13 NWK/PRV 483.7625 Norwalk/Pico Rivera
DISP 14 CRS/LKD 483.1375 Cerritos/Lakewood
 
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Hi Mick,

Is there L-Tac frequencies for Avalon & Lomita frq. from 483.0375 to 484.0375, added Lawndale Patrol Station, and added Dispatch 15 for Lancaster and Palmdale. Can you give me the link to these upddate lists for the frequencies.

Long time ago I found a great website for Los Angeles County Sheriff display the police cars with patrol stations with names of each cities and frequencies but now I can not find that website.

Mick said:
Howdy! I modified your list with additions/corrections:
Changes made were adding full names of Patrol Stations, separated Patrol Station names where applicable, changed Avalon & Lomita frq. from 483.0375 to 484.0375, added Lawndale Patrol Station, and added Dispatch 15 for Lancaster and Palmdale.
Updated list:
DISP 1 ALD/CVS 483.9875 Altadena & Crescenta Valley
DISP 2 WHD 483.3625 West Hollywood
DISP 3 ELA 483.2125 East Los Angeles
DISP 4 CEN 483.2625 Century
DISP 5 SCT 482.8625 Santa Clarita Valley
DISP 6 SDM/WAL 482.9375 San Dimas & Walnut/Diamond Bar
DISP 7 AVN/LMT 484.0375 Avalon & Lomita
DISP 8 IDT 483.6875 Industry
DISP 9 CAS/CPT 484.1625 Carson & Compton
DISP 10 LHS 482.9125 Malibu/Lost Hills
DISP 11 TEM 482.9875 Temple
DISP 12 LNX/MDR 483.4375 Lennox & Marina Del Rey & Lawndale
DISP 13 NWK/PRV 483.7625 Norwalk & Pico Rivera
DISP 14 CRS/LKD 483.1375 Cerritos & Lakewood
DISP 15 483.0375 Lancaster & Palmdale
 
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