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mdickerson17

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Is there any facts to prove they have only 1 channel left? So far its just been a rumor. And if in fact they do only have 1 channel left why cant they use a different squelch code? There Laughlin Tactical is 159.0900 which is also the control channel for SE dispatch just different squelch codes! Laughlin is 203.5 PL and SE is 94.8 PL. Just curious......
 

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Is there any facts to prove they have only 1 channel left? So far its just been a rumor. And if in fact they do only have 1 channel left why cant they use a different squelch code? There Laughlin Tactical is 159.0900 which is also the control channel for SE dispatch just different squelch codes! Laughlin is 203.5 PL and SE is 94.8 PL. Just curious......

To be honest, that information is what was told to the officers at Metro, which is where I heard it. Some of the advantages they talk about with the new system is that if an officer is keying their mic open, the dispatcher will be able to see who it is. Same thing if an officer is in trouble and doesn't get good info out, they can see who it is. Right now, Metro has issues with the current system, which non-metro traffic cutting into some channels occasionally and things like that. I don't think this upgrade is going horribly by any stretch though and that it will work as intended.
 
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As in any new system, there is rarely only one issue that drives the decision to go to a new system, and once that decision is made there are usually many more additional features desired.

The detractors nit-pick, while the supporters embellish.
 

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Well i do have to say the new features sound useful in the sense of officer safety, i would assume they would also be able to track officers locations with the radios when there on foot as well. But like i said before the radio system has had more than its share of major problems which will hopefully be fixed this time around! And it will be interesting to see if macom can finally get the system 100%. But on the bright side of things the more problems the new radio system has, the longer we have to monitor them before the switch! Either way still upset im eventually not going to be able to monitor metro.......
 

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If a lack of VHF freqs. was really an issue, they could easily pick up two or three that Boulder City PD abandoned when they went on the SNACC. I doubt if that was the main reason for the new system.
 
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If a lack of VHF freqs. was really an issue, they could easily pick up two or three that Boulder City PD abandoned when they went on the SNACC. I doubt if that was the main reason for the new system.

Are you sure those frequencies would be clear of interference, not have intermod issues,and fit into a reasonable combining scheme?

(Not to nit-pick)
 

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Nit picker... I am not a radio tech but those freqs. were used in the same general area as several of Metros' and BCPD's old VHF repeater was up on a mountain top with good range out into the Las Vegas valley and almost down to Kingman, AZ.
 

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Any way its looked at 1 thing is clear, metro doesnt want to be heard by anybody other than metro! So hopefully an officer will lose his macom radio if and when they do make the 100% switch and a nice person will find it and set up a feed so we can all keep tuning in! lol
 

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Any way its looked at 1 thing is clear, metro doesnt want to be heard by anybody other than metro! So hopefully an officer will lose his macom radio if and when they do make the 100% switch and a nice person will find it and set up a feed so we can all keep tuning in! lol

Yeah, that's not how it works. Not 100% familiar with Opensky, but I'm sure there's a system feature that allows the radio administrator to "sting" the radio in the event a unit is lost or stolen, rendering it a door stop and useless to anyone who finds it.
 

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Yeah, that's not how it works. Not 100% familiar with Opensky, but I'm sure there's a system feature that allows the radio administrator to "sting" the radio in the event a unit is lost or stolen, rendering it a door stop and useless to anyone who finds it.

It was a joke buddy but since were on the topic how do you really know it wont work? I mean you just said your NOT 100% familiar with opensky but your SURE theres a feature that would allow them to "sting" a lost radio. Sounds like pure speculation to me! any proof?
 
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Yes, it has all the P16 feutures including the ability to disable a lost or stolen unit.

In addition, users must login whne they turn their radio on.
 

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Well i do have to say the new features sound useful in the sense of officer safety, i would assume they would also be able to track officers locations with the radios when there on foot as well. But like i said before the radio system has had more than its share of major problems which will hopefully be fixed this time around! And it will be interesting to see if macom can finally get the system 100%. But on the bright side of things the more problems the new radio system has, the longer we have to monitor them before the switch! Either way still upset im eventually not going to be able to monitor metro.......
On the topic of OpenSky and Metro, Still status quo as of last night. All VHF channels appear to have normal radio traffic, haven't notice any OS patching in a week. Have not heard much testing in the past couple of weeks either.



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Yes OpenSKY has the feature as do most PS TRS's to "Sting" or "STUN" a radio as well as the ability to turn one on and listen to it remotely. This as N_Jay has stated is from the APCO P-16 featureset. And as stated almost like an P-25 system each radio must "log on" at powerup, simular to how P-25 radios auto affiliate and can't be used as RX only units. Though OpenSKY has had its share of problems, it seems that it hhas come a long way in improvements and in PA has passed the "stress test" of suddenly having massive use without failure. The only real drawbacks I see with OpenSKY are the two big evils... No scanning, and NON P-25 compliant. As an stand alone in an world of interop, its an OK system. On the being an island when you really don't want to be alone it joins the ranks of that other great Harris/M-A Com/GE/Erriccsson bomber, the EDACS ProVoice, the iCOM iDAS, iCOM/Kenwood NXDN, and Motorola TRBO list of sorrow. Other than being not the best choice for Public Safety, its still an workable system.
 

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Yes, it has all the P16 feutures including the ability to disable a lost or stolen unit.

In addition, users must login whne they turn their radio on.

how do you know what radios there going with? is there anyway to buy a opensky radio and program in the control frequencies? just to monitor?
 

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Your not going to be able at ALL to listen to metro when they go open sky. The radios operate like a cel phone, you turn it on and it affilates into the system with your Electronic Serial Number then the system will download what that radio user needs. If you get a open sky unit you still need a valid ESN programmed into the radio so you can access the system and, you have no idea who's ESN you got so you may get a patrol unit with limited system access or maybe an LT's ESN and you get everthing ? If the system does'nt like you then they can disable that ESN and burn the radio but ether way you'll need radio programming equipment and the software also a metro radio to read first to get all the system info out of. Trust me thats gona be pretty hard, but not impossible.
 
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Your not going to be able at ALL to listen to metro when they go open sky. The radios operate like a cel phone, you turn it on and it affilates into the system with your Electronic Serial Number then the system will download what that radio user needs. If you get a open sky unit you still need a valid ESN programmed into the radio so you can access the system and, you have no idea who's ESN you got so you may get a patrol unit with limited system access or maybe an LT's ESN and you get everthing ? If the system does'nt like you then they can disable that ESN and burn the radio but ether way you'll need radio programming equipment and the software also a metro radio to read first to get all the system info out of. Trust me thats gona be pretty hard, but not impossible.

Thanks for the info but i think id be better off listening to hpd and nlvpd!
 

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Yes I hear you on that as I do also but, rumor has it that the SNACC system will be going digital which means they too can go off the air also ? We'll all have to wait this out ?
 

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Depends on what they go to APCO yes proprietary no. Like with metro you'll have the same problems with equipment needed to listen....
 

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With the POTUS visit to Las Vegas tomorrow and Friday, if Metro has Open Sky functional for some units I'm sure they will be using it for the security detail. It will be interesting to see what is and is not on the VHF channels.
 
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