Madison County Communications District 700mhz

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morganAL, if I correctly understand what you are saying, that means that sites 307, 308, 309 and 310 are four additional sites. FCC license records indicate one of them will be Madkin Mountain, so that leaves 3 more sites yet to be installed.
 

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I just noticed that two of the call signs (WQER591 WPHI451) that appear in the tower302.txt file that is generated by Pro96Com are licensed to the City of Huntsville rather than the Madison County Communications District. They are the call signs for the Huntsville City trunk system. I wonder if that means that all of the frequencies used in the city system will be moved to this new P25 system.
 

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I just noticed that two of the call signs (WQER591 WPHI451) that appear in the tower302.txt file that is generated by Pro96Com are licensed to the City of Huntsville rather than the Madison County Communications District. They are the call signs for the Huntsville City trunk system. Four of the frequencies that Pro96Com has logged for the P25 system are also used in the Huntsville City system:
855.21250
855.61250
856.43750
857.23750

855.61250 is logged by Pro96Com as an alternate control channel for the P25 system.
 
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This is a list of the frequencies listed on each call sign that Pro96Com is reporting. I pulled this information from each of the license files on the FCC web site. The 4th license listed by Pro96Com is an Alabama statewide license for a range of frequencies and does not list any individual frequencies.

WQPL410

Frequency Location
769.10625 Monte Sano
769.80625 Monte Sano
770.33125 Monte Sano
771.15625 Monte Sano
771.70625 Monte Sano
772.28125 Monte Sano
769.10625 Drake Mountain
769.80625 Drake Mountain
770.33125 Drake Mountain
771.15625 Drake Mountain
771.70625 Drake Mountain
772.28125 Drake Mountain
769.10625 Rainbow Mountain
769.80625 Rainbow Mountain
770.33125 Rainbow Mountain
771.15625 Rainbow Mountain
771.70625 Rainbow Mountain
772.28125 Rainbow Mountain
770.05625 Gurley
771.40625 Gurley
772.03125 Gurley
769.35625 New Market
770.80625 New Market
771.98125 New Market


WPHI451

Frequency Location
854.01250 Monte Sano
854.06250 Monte Sano
854.16250 Monte Sano
854.53750 Monte Sano
854.71250 Monte Sano
854.96250 Monte Sano
855.01250 Monte Sano
855.21250 Monte Sano
855.23750 Monte Sano
855.61250 Monte Sano
855.66250 Monte Sano
855.71250 Monte Sano
855.93750 Monte Sano
856.23750 Monte Sano
856.36250 Monte Sano
856.43750 Monte Sano
857.03750 Monte Sano
857.23750 Monte Sano
857.33750 Monte Sano
857.41250 Monte Sano
857.73750 Monte Sano
858.43750 Monte Sano
859.26250 Monte Sano
859.71250 Monte Sano
860.26250 Monte Sano
860.43750 Monte Sano
860.48750 Monte Sano
860.71250 Monte Sano
860.93750 Monte Sano
860.98750 Monte Sano
854.01250 Madkin Mountain
854.06250 Madkin Mountain
854.16250 Madkin Mountain
854.53750 Madkin Mountain
854.71250 Madkin Mountain
854.96250 Madkin Mountain
855.01250 Madkin Mountain
855.21250 Madkin Mountain
855.23750 Madkin Mountain
855.61250 Madkin Mountain
855.66250 Madkin Mountain
855.71250 Madkin Mountain
855.93750 Madkin Mountain
856.23750 Madkin Mountain
856.36250 Madkin Mountain
856.43750 Madkin Mountain
857.03750 Madkin Mountain
857.23750 Madkin Mountain
857.33750 Madkin Mountain
857.41250 Madkin Mountain
857.73750 Madkin Mountain
858.43750 Madkin Mountain
859.26250 Madkin Mountain
859.71250 Madkin Mountain
860.26250 Madkin Mountain
860.43750 Madkin Mountain
860.48750 Madkin Mountain
860.71250 Madkin Mountain
860.93750 Madkin Mountain
860.98750 Madkin Mountain
854.01250 Drake Mountain
855.21250 Drake Mountain
855.66250 Drake Mountain
856.23750 Drake Mountain
856.43750 Drake Mountain
857.03750 Drake Mountain
857.41250 Drake Mountain
854.01250 Rainbow Mountain
855.21250 Rainbow Mountain
855.66250 Rainbow Mountain
856.23750 Rainbow Mountain
856.43750 Rainbow Mountain
857.03750 Rainbow Mountain
857.41250 Rainbow Mountain
854.06250 Gurley
855.01250 Gurley
855.71250 Gurley
856.36250 Gurley
857.33750 Gurley
854.96250 New Market
855.23750 New Market
855.61250 New Market
855.93750 New Market
857.23750 New Market


WQER591

Frequency Location
851.13750 Monte Sano
851.16250 Monte Sano
851.26250 Monte Sano
851.71250 Monte Sano
853.27500 Monte Sano
853.66250 Monte Sano
851.13750 Madkin Mountain
851.16250 Madkin Mountain
851.26250 Madkin Mountain
851.16250 Drake Mountain
851.26250 Drake Mountain
851.71250 Drake Mountain
853.27500 Drake Mountain
853.66250 Drake Mountain
851.16250 Rainbow Mountain
851.26250 Rainbow Mountain
851.71250 Rainbow Mountain
853.27500 Rainbow Mountain
853.66250 Rainbow Mountain
851.13750 New Market

As I said in the previous post, WPHI451 and WQER591 are the licenses for the Huntsville City trunk system. Some of the frequencies listed for those two licenses are not in the RR.com database for the HSV system, and have not yet appeared in my Pro96Com logs.
 
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Yes, those are additional sites. I am pretty sure Madkin isn't one of them. The Madkin site is part of the old Smartzone system.


morganAL, if I correctly understand what you are saying, that means that sites 307, 308, 309 and 310 are four additional sites. FCC license records indicate one of them will be Madkin Mountain, so that leaves 3 more sites yet to be installed.
 

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As I understand it, the plan is to eventually move all of the frequencies from the City's Smartzone system to the P-25 system. That I know of, there is no set date for all of the frequencies to be moved.


I just noticed that two of the call signs (WQER591 WPHI451) that appear in the tower302.txt file that is generated by Pro96Com are licensed to the City of Huntsville rather than the Madison County Communications District. They are the call signs for the Huntsville City trunk system. Four of the frequencies that Pro96Com has logged for the P25 system are also used in the Huntsville City system:
855.21250
855.61250
856.43750
857.23750

855.61250 is logged by Pro96Com as an alternate control channel for the P25 system.
 

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Does anyone know if Huntsville Utilities is now on this system? I was looking for them yesterday during a power outage and couldn't find them. Their old 153.590 frequency appears to be dead.
 

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As I understand it, the plan is to eventually move all of the frequencies from the City's Smartzone system to the P-25 system. That I know of, there is no set date for all of the frequencies to be moved.

That makes sense. But my issue is that Pro96Com is listing 6 neighboring sites, and 4 call signs. The FCC license data for 2 of those 4 call signs show Madkin Mountain as one of the sites. Those 2 call signs are the HSV Smartnet system call signs. The FCC data also shows the 5 current sites which are Monte Sano, Drake and Rainbow mountains, and the Gurley and New Market sites. The HSV system only has sites at Madkin and Monte Sano mountains.

I think I am going to have to make a road trip with the scanner and laptop to figure this out. If any of you could ride with me, it would be a big help so that we could listen at the same time I am running Pro96Com.
 
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Does anyone know if Huntsville Utilities is now on this system? I was looking for them yesterday during a power outage and couldn't find them. Their old 153.590 frequency appears to be dead.

Not that I am aware of. Huntsville Police and Fire, and Madison County Sheriff and Fire, and HEMSI are active. There are a few other talk groups that have been found, but no one has been able to ID who the users are. Those talk groups are not used very often.

The unidentified talk groups that I have found are:
37
125
457
800
4101
6412
30927
If you can help ID these, it would be a big help!
 

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morganAL, if I correctly understand what you are saying, that means that sites 307, 308, 309 and 310 are four additional sites. FCC license records indicate one of them will be Madkin Mountain, so that leaves 3 more sites yet to be installed.

That they are showing up as neighbors they seem to be pretty far past being "installed".

As I asked some time ago, you should move out your current tower file(s) and start with a clean slate periodically. Especially given the fluid state that things are in. All that stuff (freqs, licenses) just accumulates over time whether they are actually still active/valid or not. Though not often, flat out erroneous info(mainly freqs.) can and will make it's way in there too. (especially with things being worked on often, or in moments of bad signal quality)
 
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That they are showing up as neighbors they seem to be pretty far past being "installed".

As I asked some time ago, you should move out your current tower file(s) and start with a clean slate periodically. Especially given the fluid state that things are in. All that stuff (freqs, licenses) just accumulates over time whether they are actually still active/valid or not. Though not often, flat out erroneous info(mainly freqs.) can and will make it's way in there too. (especially with things being worked on often, or in moments of bad signal quality)

I nuked the tower302.txt file before I started this morning. The only change I saw is one of the 2 original 800MHz frequencies that showed up the very first time I ran Pro96Com is gone. If you look at the file I posted a couple days ago, it is the frequency that does not show an Usage code.
 

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Good deal. Many folks don't realize that the data in those tower files is cumulative and the "This data is not read into the program" statement is almost completely false. Just want to be sure that you're seeing the most recent, up to date info in your logs. Keep up the excellent work. :)

I log 3 MSWIN sites almost constantly, and there is little that ever changes on them, but there is also almost never a month that goes by that at least one of them ends up with a bogus frequency somehow.
 
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The Madison County P-25 System has 5 Sites. Three of the sites are a simulcast cell. Those sites are Monte Sano, Drake, and Rainbow Mtn. The other sites are Keel Mtn (Owens Crossroads), and the Gurley site. You'll get it nailed down. Keep up the work.



That makes sense. But my issue is that Pro96Com is listing 6 neighboring sites, and 4 call signs. The FCC license data for 2 of those 4 call signs show Madkin Mountain as one of the sites. Those 2 call signs are the HSV Smartnet system call signs. The FCC data also shows the 5 current sites which are Monte Sano, Drake and Rainbow mountains, and the Gurley and New Market sites. The HSV system only has sites at Madkin and Monte Sano mountains.

I think I am going to have to make a road trip with the scanner and laptop to figure this out. If any of you could ride with me, it would be a big help so that we could listen at the same time I am running Pro96Com.
 

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I had a chance today to scan the New Market and Gurley sites. I found new frequencies for both. Both of these sites and the main site can be scanned from the parking lot of the North Alabama Railroad Museum, which BTW is using 452.325. This information has been submitted to the database.

Tower 303 New Market
855.61250
769.96875
774.04375
774.29375

Tower 304 Gurley
856.36250
769.21875
769.71875
774.54375

I also founf one more new frequency for site 302: 769.40625.
 

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Looks like HSV Fire has gone from the old Smartnet system. Are any of you guys with digital hearing their traffic? FWIW I'm still hearing all the HPD talk groups, HSV EMA, and HSV Utilities on my trusty Pro 164. Guess it's time to consider going digital....
 

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Yep, it's time to go digital. If you can find a GRE PSR-800, it will give you Phase II TDMA capability. I don't think there are any Phase II talk groups on this system now, but it would be a good idea to be prepared. In case you have not heard, GRE is no longer manufacturing scanners, so finding a PSR-800 could be difficult. It is currently the only scanner with Phase II capability. GRE hopes to start making scanners if they can find a new manufacturer, but that is a wait-and-see issue. Uniden BCD396XT, BCD996XT and the pre-programmed Home Patrol work on 700MHz P25 systems. GRE PRS-500 and PSR-600 work with the system, but will be very difficult to find. Likewise Radio Shack digital models, which are made by GRE.

HSV Fire is on the P25 system. Dispatch talk group is not encrypted. Some of the tactical talk groups are also in the clear, but are intermittently encrypted. HSV Police and MCSO are on the P25 system with unencrypted dispatch talk groups with all tactical talk groups encrypted full time. HEMSI is in the clear except for the talk group medics use to contact hospitals when enroute with patients. All County VFD talk groups including dispatch are encrypted. Madison City has not yet moved to the P25 system.
 

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Is the State of Alabama EDACS analog trunking system listed here in RR now defunct?

I haven't gotten any hits on the Huntsville or Birmingham frequencies after several months of monitoring.
 
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