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NOTAM for WRI McGuire posted last night:

AERODROME COMMAND POST FREQUENCY OTS (out to service) UFN (Until further notice). CONTACT TOWER OR AMOPS FOR ASSISTANCE. Despite the UFN note, the date range posted is immediately until September 21 at 0900L.
 

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NOTAM for WRI McGuire posted last night:

AERODROME COMMAND POST FREQUENCY OTS (out to service) UFN (Until further notice). CONTACT TOWER OR AMOPS FOR ASSISTANCE. Despite the UFN note, the date range posted is immediately until September 21 at 0900L.
I'm on FAA WRI notams page and not seeing this.. They take it back down?
 

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1935z SABRE-46 KC-46 inbound McGuire says "Depot delivery" from Tinker.
shows as tail #21-46060 but pilot says tail is 11-6060.. Maybe just shorthand for him or he goofed it.
Be surprised how many pilots get their own tail #s wrong...crew of 3 and 25k on the fuel.
SABRE shows in Ron's llist as a Tinker Test callsign.
 
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Can’t say for sure, but usually it’s a high TRACON freq.

GCA presets are available but not all the squadrons use them:

346.400 GCA 11
328.400 GCA 12
310.800 GCA 13
363.100 GCA 14
352.100 GCA 15
348.750 GCA 16
Am down in the area for a brief getaway, and spent some time today trying to get a feel for how they do things at Oceana. Here's what I found in terms of Approach, Departure and Arrival, thus far. Used a couple TRX-1's with clocks synced.
Not a peep on 288.3, which is supposed to be Button-4 Departure. 266.8 (Button 5) functioning both as departure and approach. Most departure handoffs were to Giantkiller on 361.3 (Button 6) for W-72. A few to Cherry Point Approach on 268.7 (Button 12). 266.8 was also simulcasting instructions to civilian a/c around Currituck, NC. Frequently directing planes to Norfolk Approach on 126.05.

On arrival, 323.05 (Button 7) was used at altitudes from around 4000 down to 1600, and sometimes the landing would be completed on this freq. It looks like most or all planes on this freq were handed off from 266.8. Today was very overcast with a low ceiling, and I heard remarks that the 'overhead was closed.' Planes handed offf to 323.05 did the RNAV approach to Runway 5R. One flight of two split to a 'PAR' (I'm not familiar with the term, but it sounded like they wanted to break formation and land on parallel runways) At the point of 'PAR' the two aircraft were addressed separately for the rest of the approach. Until the weather cleared that evening, all planes were on a straight-in approach, and full-stop. After the weather cleared, they were allowed to make their break and go around.

Lots of GCA today, but no button numbers used. Frequencies always read out. In a few cases, the ground simulcast 323.05 and a GCA frequency--the only one I specifically remember was 346.4. In at least some cases, the plane switched to tower freq once they had the runway in sight. All six GCA freqs in the quote above were used at some time or another today. The main difference I'm seeing between 'Arrival' and 'GCA/SFA' is that 'Arrival' doesn't confine itself to a single aircraft.

Didn't really get much done in terms of confirming air/air freqs, but now I feel much better about how to approach the whole package. 266.8 proved to be the real key frequency for both departures and arrivals. I had to keep radios parked on both 266.8 and 323.05 in order to find that out. Today was almost entirely ROMAN's and RIPPER's with one or two INFERNO's thrown in. Maybe I'll learn a new thing or two tomorrow.

73/Allen (N4JRI)
 

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Not a peep on 288.3, which is supposed to be Button-4 Departure. 266.8 (Button 5) functioning both as departure and approach.
Thanks for the detailed report. According to the FAA Facilities Directory 266.800 is listed as DEP/ARR and 288.300 is listed as an SFA frequency (GCA). 323.050 Arrival is not even listed, so not sure how complete or accurate the FAA is ? The RR Database shows Arrival as 353.700, which is listed as a Norfolk Approach frequency.
 
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Didn't really get much done in terms of confirming air/air freqs

Not sure if it's any help to you but I've sorted the A-A frequencies (from various sources) by squadron. I'll be interested to see what you are actually hearing.

I can't remember why I put a ? beside some frequencies. In some cases it seems to indicate the frequency is used my multiple squadrons or maybe in some cases didn't correspond between different lists ?

VFA-11 Red Rippers - RIPPER - 343.050, 240.550, 265.750, 242.125, 246.900

VFC-12 Fighting Omars - AMBUSH - 301.300, 308.400, 299.500, 234.500, 374.300, 246.800, 282.450, 299.250

VFA-31 Tomcatters - FELIX - 265.150, 245.650, 271.400, 236.300, 245.725, 246.800, 246.900, 269.825, 323.975, 333.300?, 357.000

VFA-32 Swordsmen - GYPSY - 353.400, 355.200, 360.425?, 281.000, 353.450, 246.800, 246.900, 257.500, 263.450, 333.300

VFA-34 Blue Blasters - JOKER - 251.750, 353.400, 343.400, 274.050, 298.300, 316.450, 333.300, 339.500, 357.000

VFA-37 Bulls - RAGIN - 311.400, 311.900?, 275.550, 243.600, 333.300, 275.500?

VFA-81 Sunliners - INFERNO - 275.300, 285.750, 342.900, 246.800, 246.900, 299.625, 357.000

VFA-83 Rampagers - RAM - 306.800, 298.300, 258.200, 399.450?, 233.650, 296.875, 309.800, 324.175, 333.300?, 343.200?

VFA-87 Golden Warriors - PARTY - 361.100, 311.500?, 311.950, 341.900, 271.400, 246.900, 303.400

VFA-103 Jolly Rogers - VICTORY - 299.250, 360.425?, 257.500, 263.450, 228.800?, 298.200, 318.950, 333.300?, 343.200?

VFA-105 Gunslingers - CANYON - 340.350, 255.125, 274.100, 246.800, 251.225, 357.000

VFA-106 Gladiators [FRS] - ROMAN - 349.900, 343.300, 346.450, 277.900, 265.775, 234.650, 233.650, 225.300, 227.450, 229.350, 229.500, 231.525, 233.750, 235.600, 237.800, 238.825, 246.800, 246.900, 248.750, 250.600, 261.400, 263.700?, 268.300?, 273.700, 278.500, 282.950, 283.100, 290.700?, 298.300, 299.350, 326.750?, 333.300, 337.100, 342.600?, 357.000, 357.100, 357.500, 362.200, 383.700,

VFA-131 Wildcats - WILDCAT - 264.350, 235.400, 237.750, 239.875, 246.900, 333.300

VFA-143 Pukin Dogs - TAPROOM - 263.500, 261.150?, 268.500, 314.300, 225.325, 233.725, 246.800, 246.900, 257.500, 263.500?, 357.000

VFA-211 Fighting Checkmates - NIKEL - 228.300, 273.850, 312.250, 363.500, 384.450 OPS

VFA-213 Black Lions - LION - 262.750, 273.800?, 342.950, 379.700, 246.800, 309.700, 327.975, 333.300?, 341.900?, 364.025?, 364.050?, 377.000?
 
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Thanks for the detailed report. According to the FAA Facilities Directory 266.800 is listed as DEP/ARR and 288.300 is listed as an SFA frequency (GCA). 323.050 Arrival is not even listed, so not sure how complete or accurate the FAA is ? The RR Database shows Arrival as 353.700, which is listed as a Norfolk Approach frequency.
I think that 353.7 is active, but probably for folks approaching Oceana from outside its slice of the approach 'pie'. The list that Joergel put up earlier seems pretty accurate with the possible exception of Button 16. Good weather today, so maybe I'll catch some more.

73/Allen (N4JRI)
 

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0930- Bald 46 (E-6B # 164387) off PAX heading north.

0948- Couple of flts of MD ANG A-10cs off Martin State. A2A is 266.6 & 293.3.

0950 Couple of 1st Helo UH-1s chatting on A2A 225.6. mention "the exercise".

1003- ADS-B showing Mako 06 (T-6B # 166031) off PAX. Second time this week. T-6 # 166031 is normally Tester 21.
 
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