Mon County QCII tones database

[SCPD]

There is no legitimate purpose for a scanner listener to have QCII tones. Just because a company makes a scanner capable of such, does not make it ok.

Does the same go for gun manufacturers? Is it ok for everyone to have a gun and then ask everyone for the bullets? (Retorical)

EMS/Fire community could control who has this information, which we all know is next to impossible, then maybe I would have a different outlook. But as it stands now, I don't.

I am an EMT in my town. I don't have this "itch" to go out and buy this paticular scanner and then ask everyone I can for QCII tones. So why this "itch" with scanner people? Which I am too!

K2NNJ,

What's not legit about that? The emergency medical services in my hometown (like many unfortunetely, because even after all these years, EMS is still treated like the bastard step child of public safety) share their primary dispatch / operations frequency with the local public works. If equipped with a capable Bearcat scanner, I don't see what's wrong with being able to screen that frequency to open up only when the EMS duty crew or back-up crews are paged out (like their own radios do), and not have to listen all day to mundane radio traffic like the town street sweeper notifying the water superintendent that they are re-filling their tank at the hydrant on the corner of so-and-so avenue and this-and-that place.

I feel worse for monitors who live in Teaneck and don't have such a scanner. Teaneck VAC gets paged on the police channel. I can't imagine listening to dull police traffic like plate checks and warrant checks all day if all I'm interested in is hearing where the ambulance is going.

SCANdal

 

[robbinsj2]

How about a compromise? Everyone who supports the sharing of pager tones (and who has them to share) submit them to the database here. Everyone against it, go over to scan-nj.com, where they're not permitted, and whine about it there.

The decisions have already been made, folks, and they don't look likely to change no matter how much it is debated in this thread. The opinions have all been thought and all have their own merits, but which is the most logical is still an individual opinion and you shouldn't be trying to force your opinion on others.

If you have issues with the decision, take it up with the particular site's owner or moderators via PM.

 

[DJ88]

Those who are pro or con on the issue have simply stated their opinions and views on the subject. Notice I said "stated". Nobody is "whining" nor is anyone "forcing" their opinions on anyone else here. Bad choice of words.

 

[scannersnstuff]

what a bunch of crap over nothing.k2nnj who are you to say that nobody has any legitimate purpose for having quick call tones ?.i guess uniden who,and i'm just guessing here know's a little bit more about marketing than you do felt there was a legitimate purpose for it.i could give you multiple example's but here are just a few.a volunteer or on call paid firefighter/emt may want it to be able to be alerted to their call's.some dept's don't have enough pager's for all of their member's.a buff that may want a break from the constant chatter of a scanner/radio.maybe someone want's to get some sleep and only be alerted to select call's.an emergency responder that want's to selectively listen to surrounding jurisdiction's.bottom line,if you have no use for or don't want a scanner with that feature don't buy it.plain and simple.let's all just agree to disagree.thank you for letting me de-frustrate myself for the day.i feel much better now.

 

[elk2370bruce]

First of all Jim, no one is whining. There are two different views on this issue and both have their validity and people are entitled to their own view. I have my own views, just as others, make my own choices and voice my opinion (as have others). If you feel the project has merit, just do it and let the thread die because the underlying issues have already been stated, insults are starting, and no ones mind is going to be changed - only the growing and needless battle lines drawn. This thread now goes in circles and slinging aspersions against any scanner site or individual who dares to disagree with you is a worthless task and only mildly (and temporarily) self-satisfying.

 

[nosoup4u]

Well put.

Its way past time to lock this thread before anyone else gets bent out of shape over this.

 

[SCPD]

I agree with Bruce. However, I will say this last thing. I have never heard anywhere or at least in my dept. say, hey we ran out of pagers, let's buy scanners!

Cheers,

 

[APX8000]

I have to add my .02...

elk2370bruce..."Just because manufacturers put a feature in the radio, there is no compulsion of the licensee to provide information beyond what is available on the FCC database."

Last time I checked, FCC database did not provide PL/DPL tones, yet no one seems to be making a big fuss over the posting of that. I could just as easily jam your system up using that information as I could using tone information. I think is hypocritical for one to post frequencies with PL/DPL info yet blast someone who posts tone info. The majority of ham radio repeaters require a transmit PL in order to open the receiver, yet that informatiuon is not listed on the FCC database. So should hams no longer post that info ?

So why do scanners have the PL/DPL feature in them ? So I don't have to listen to every agency on the same frequency. Obviously there was a "need" for that by the consumer that the manufacturers put this feature in their new products. Try to buy a scanner now that does not offer this feature. It will soon be the same with tone out features.

..."a significant number of agencies who do NOT want their information posted in public forum and would be royally pissed if it appeared without their consent."

FCC license information is public information and therefore available to the public. If you look at the FCC license database, it lists the exact location of the repeater with lat/long coordinates as well. I could do alot more damage by going to the tower site and making it inoperable then I could by transmitting tone info..I could take you completely off the air. Yet this still remains public information.

..."Should this personal website and its potential use go sour, let us hope that his supporters will actively come forward to his aid and defense."

What defense...there is no law being broken, state or federal. If a law was to be broken, one would have to first be enacted. Laws are not retroactive...I can't arrest you today for killing someone yesterday if there was no such law until today.

nosoup4u..."Now my feeling is that posting PL tones and Repeater input freqs is worse that QCII tones. Lets face it, any idiot can record the pager tones with a tape recorder and replay them over the air if he wanted to. Most of us remember what happened a couple years ago when some idiot was doing just that. Having a PL tone and repeater input freq pretty much gives anyone the keys to the repeater... Bottom line is that if someone wants to cause trouble, he's going to figiure out how to do it with or without any information he can get from our scanner sites."

Exactly my point...there is information on the web on how to build bombs. Trust me...do a google search..it's scary. A person with an agenda will find a way when theres a will. And they can even use information found on public database like the FCC's to do it.

JMR3865..."I SAID I DO NOT WANT ANY BS ABOUT THIS"

Amen brother. If I had info for Monmouth County, I'd post it just for you.

K2NNJ..."There is no legitimate purpose for a scanner listener to have QCII tones. Just because a company makes a scanner capable of such, does not make it ok."

I'm not going to re-post SCANdal's reply, but I feel the same as SCANdal. My EMS agency used to share the frequency with town highway. Do you know what happens when it snows and all the plows go out at 2am. So much for listening to the scanner for EMS calls.

..."Does the same go for gun manufacturers? Is it ok for everyone to have a gun and then ask everyone for the bullets? (Retorical)"

Ok...bars have parking lots, yet DUI is a crime. Should be outlaw parking lots now too ?!?!

 

[Joseph11]

Very, very nice post. I agree 100%.

 

[JMR3865]

This website is still up and running and will continue to do so. Does anybody have any additions?

 

[wa2zdy]

I'm curious Jon, what does your father think about you having posted the QC tones for his department?

 

[scannersnstuff]

Will The Powers That Be Please Lock This Thread Already !. What Are You Going To Do Tell His Daddy Now ?.the Battle Was Waged And He Won.if You Don't Want To Play Anymore Take Your Bat And Ball And Go Home !.

 

[elk2370bruce]

Guess what? Nobody won a damned thing. Just a bunch of meaningless words and very, very little (actually nothing) added to the hobby. The end results have been underwhelming. Besides, Jon's daddy will continue to support anything he does and try to cover up another stain he left on the rug of life. Local history on that point in both the Explorers and the Fire Company is all too clear. Let the thread die because that's all it's worth after the opinions were stated in the first day or so. All that has followed was merely posturing and it's been funny - watching the huffing and puffing along an invisible line drawn in the sand. No new friends have been made and a few friendships have been lost. AND FOR WHAT?

 

[mikea7531]

Bruce,

Was there any point to your post? That really wasn't necessary. Just drop it and let it go - he is posting tones, and if you want to contribute or not is your personal choice. Please let the powers that be lock the thread.

 

[NESN]

Using a scanner to monitor frequencies: fun & exciting
Using a scanner for criminal purposes : subject to arrest & prosecution.

Finding & logging repeater inputs and PL tones: interesting & useful
Using repeater inputs and PL tones to interfere: subject to arrest & prosecution.

Finding, logging and using QC tones in your scanner: interesting & useful
Using QC tones to interfere with Public Safety: subject to arrest & prosecution.

Next subject.......

 

[SCPD]

I do not know why people are getting bent out of shape over QC-II tones. For hobbist the QC-II tone advantage is simple. If you are a hobbist listening to a fire channel that has several dispatches countywide. Some of us like to "select" which fire calls we want to listen to. Sometimes I dont like to listen to countywide dispatches all day, maybe I just want to listen to one or two stations. Nothing wrong with that. Those of you that are against QC-II tones being published should be against scanners altogether. Because they go hand & hand. QC-II alert is just a different way of monitoring what has been there all along. Same with PL tones. There used to be a time where PL tones were important so you didnt have to listen to chit chat on the same frequency from another county. QC-II is no different, its a tool to filter what you want & dont want to listen to. Wish we could do that with Law Enforcement chatter.

 

[scannersnstuff]

Can You Say "stop Beating A Dead Horse" Or "let Sleeping Dog's Lie".

 

[SCPD]

Long before there were Uniden scanners people have been buying QC-II voice pagers for the purpose of listening to certain FD stations. The practice has been around for a very long time. Long before you guys started arguing about it.

 

[scannersnstuff]

this is me.this is me waving my white flag.no crap.honest to god.i've had a minitor II that i purchased myself back in 1988 to listen to my local county fire dispatch's.it's just that this topic has been DEAD for so long.did you just start reading this thread ?.everyone's argument's have been clearly stated.

 

[Tech792]

I like to check this post (and other senseless ones like it) when I'm bored, at work. I find it entertaining sometimes.