So, I had some talk with a my upline, from the sounds, this is not in stone, but the VP8000 may be a multi band subscriber unit, pay for options status, in other word, single, dual band, and then tri-band. Again, just word of mouth and not on paper yet. Usually IWCE is when they like to let it out, so next few days or so, we should start to see or hear something. Already getting my money set aside for when it does pop up.