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XTL/XTS5000 Need help
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Thats a trunked system. You will need several things to monitor that. The biggie will be the syskey (system key). The only way to get that legally is from the system admin. They are not going to provide you that. Second, you have to know exactly how to set the radio to do NAS. No room for error.
If its conventional (non trunked) thats a different story.
Your better off with a scanner. If you dont know the difference between trunking an conventional you are never going to get the radio programmed correctly.
My name is Chester marvel my phone is +13023997495 and my email is marvelchester07@gmail.com and I live in Felton Delaware
I think I just mess up and sent my information to the forum instead of you lol
Asunakiyori
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that you did !
At least the state radio folks will know who to call when a rougue ID hits the system now 
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The reason you get a transmission when you press monitor and programmed as astro is because its receiving the voice channel transmissions from the frequencies as you have it programmed. Its an astro system and you're receiving those digital transmissions. It seems you already have some of this done and its receiving something. You're half way there.
The radio is capable to get some use of it by programming the black voice channels(not the red colored control channel frequencies, the ones listed with a "c" at the end) into a scan list. , program the personality as ASTRO and set the astro rx umute rule to Digital CSQ, that way you won't have to press the monitor button when the blinking red light comes on, which means its receiving a transmission. Its simulcast so you'll need to set it as CQPSK for the digital modulator.. But you've likely already heard some encrypted voice which leads me to below
But since you've got multiple encrypted PDs, you're going to receive an annoying encryped buzz unless you program the personality in a way that will mute the wrong encryption key while scanning, is another programming hurdle. Do-able but you have a lot to learn. Which is, if I can recall I havent done this in a while, programming the astro RX unmute rule as selective squelch, next tab and as under astro systems, setting it up as a conventional astro talkgroup which should be setup as talkgroup 65535 with the correct NAC or rx networkd ID for each sites frequencies in the zone. Do-able but you can see why there are recommendations to buy a scanner, and this isn't non affiliate scan. this is simply scanning the voice frequencies of the system as conventional. I usually write these wall of texts on how to do this so its not only of help to current but for the future
The radio is capable to get some use of it by programming the black voice channels(not the red colored control channel frequencies, the ones listed with a "c" at the end) into a scan list. , program the personality as ASTRO and set the astro rx umute rule to Digital CSQ, that way you won't have to press the monitor button when the blinking red light comes on, which means its receiving a transmission. Its simulcast so you'll need to set it as CQPSK for the digital modulator.. But you've likely already heard some encrypted voice which leads me to below
But since you've got multiple encrypted PDs, you're going to receive an annoying encryped buzz unless you program the personality in a way that will mute the wrong encryption key while scanning, is another programming hurdle. Do-able but you have a lot to learn. Which is, if I can recall I havent done this in a while, programming the astro RX unmute rule as selective squelch, next tab and as under astro systems, setting it up as a conventional astro talkgroup which should be setup as talkgroup 65535 with the correct NAC or rx networkd ID for each sites frequencies in the zone. Do-able but you can see why there are recommendations to buy a scanner, and this isn't non affiliate scan. this is simply scanning the voice frequencies of the system as conventional. I usually write these wall of texts on how to do this so its not only of help to current but for the future
lol you’re right at least they will have some one to blame but I think I will be good just as long as I monitor and not transmitting doesn’t every forum’s need a fall guy lolAt least the state radio folks will know who to call when a rougue ID hits the system now
Again I would like to thank everyone for their time and support I appreciate everyone input and knowledge I’m glad I joine radio reference you guys have been very helpful and with being new to radio programming I hope to gain enough knowledge to be able to do this myself and maybe able to help someone else in the future thanks again
FYI to the OP: The State of Delaware Public Safety Smartzone system is slated for replacement by the State of Delaware P25 Phase-II system which will soon render the XTS5000 useless when they take the former system offline
Keep an eye on the thread below:
forums.radioreference.com
Keep an eye on the thread below:
State of Delaware - P25 Phase 1 System (2024)
Question , is Delaware state new phase 2 radio system in service. I look on radio ref, did not see new talk groups or freqs listed. Looks like they are still testing. Thank you https://www.radioreference.com/db/sid/12995
That sounds to be right when it comes to me as soon as I try doing something for the first time something comes along and bang right upside the head lol thanks for that info I will keep my eye on that one hopefully I can get done what I’m trying to do now before they change it
MTS2000des
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A scanner like a Uniden SDS will work on the current, and new, system provided talk groups are not encrypted. There are no system keys, voodoo or anything required- just plug in, enter zip code, start listening. No radio administrators/techs can inhibit it and provided one isn't showing up at scenes, one won't get in legal trouble.
You are right I do have it programmed with the red channel so I will try that and change it to the black channel thank you for that I will let you know if it has change anything
I can assure you that I am not a ambulance chaser or anything like that I am a person who was gifted this radio and I am just trying to learn about and play with it until I am able to attain my ham operator licenses and then if possible use it for that plus I already have a scanner that works quite well but it is not the portable kind
You’re probably right but I think I’m going to stick with it and with the help from others and myself I will either get or I won’t but at least I’m trying and remember when a lot of you guys started out I sure somebody had to show you or at least explain it to you so
MTS2000des
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It's not capable of anything amateur radio as there are no amateur allocations anywhere in the world on 700/800MHz.
There is nothing to "play with". Programming radios on systems/frequencies used by public safety should be left to those who know what they are doing.
Sell it. Buy a Baofeng or other cheap amateur radio, and "learn" how to program that, study for your ham ticket, and enjoy your scanner.
There is nothing to "play with". Programming radios on systems/frequencies used by public safety should be left to those who know what they are doing.
Sell it. Buy a Baofeng or other cheap amateur radio, and "learn" how to program that, study for your ham ticket, and enjoy your scanner.
Chester we started in Radio Shops when Real Radio Techs had to have a minimum of a FCC 2nd Class General Radiotelephone License to even work or radios. We did not start out in our bedroom.
Alright I understand maybe this is not the right place for me to be I am sorry for wasting any one’s time I will try to find somewhere else thanks to everyone who tried to help I do appreciate that
kayn1n32008
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Please understand what people are telling you.
The XTS series of radios are incredibly complex devices, and a trunk radio system is, essentially a big computer network. The programming of the radios is complex, and they were never designed to passively monitor these networks.
Years ago, a 'programming hack' was discovered that would, essentially, trick the radio into passively monitor these networks, and not have it register on the network. However, if you screw up, the radio is still capable of registering and affiliating to the network.
If that happens, and the radio ID number you program in YOUR radio, is the same as another radio in use on the network, you can cause the legit radio to not work properly. Under the right circumstances, this could put people's live in danger, or worse.
Normally, a P25 trunking radio, when powered on, actively looks for the network. When it finds the correct one it is programmed for, it interacts with that network to register the radio, and affiliate to a talkgroup.
If you are not an authorized user, AND you don't program the radio to passively monitor the network correctly, in many/most/all places in the US, is a crime. In some places, a felony.
By the questions you ask, and more importantly, how you ask them, you do not have even a basic understanding of what info is needed, or how to use the info to program your radio.
People are trying to save you a headache, and potentially a lot of trouble. Life altering trouble, by telling you to buy a scanner.
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