New Newton County system

[19K10Tanker]

If your by the community center it's pretty open around there, so if you pick up lake countys own system and lake county state system that makes sense. Where if he lives in the library area it is more clustered, with few more trees. Plus the SDS scanners are better and more sensitive to weak signals.

I'm sure u got them programmed right, most towers are pretty far from us. I'm surprised u get the Morocco site on ur SDS, it's pretty far. U are couple miles closer than me, and more in the open than me if ur by the old fd. Especially getting it a rubber ducky if that's what ur using. SDS are great scanners.

So do u get the lake village tower on Newton Countys new system? Can your friend pick this up at all? If he can't id wait for but I think the tower isn't broadcasting at full strength yet, they don't have a license so unless they got an authorization that don't show on the FCC it would be illegal to operate at full power. So I'd wait if he can't get it, it cud change in month or so. I also have lived in sumava forever.

He's the one by the FD, I'm by the library, the SDS is great I get Lake County Sheriff, ISP, DNR, etc..he and I are just using the antenna that came with the scanners, I tried using my old discone, but I felt like I wasn't receiving anything. I have heard something really quick on the new system, I think it was one of our medics, it was really quick, haven't heard anything since, that was a week or 2 ago. as for the 996p2 the only thing he can pick up is newton county on their conventional system, but he can only hear dispatch but not the deputies response. Maybe I'll have him bring back over and double check things. I wonder if he knows you, his sister says there are a couple houses by hers that have "big antennas" by her, if I get his permission I'll dm his name to you. Or you can DM yours to me and I'll ask him if he knows you.

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

He's the one by the FD, I'm by the library, the SDS is great I get Lake County Sheriff, ISP, DNR, etc..he and I are just using the antenna that came with the scanners, I tried using my old discone, but I felt like I wasn't receiving anything. I have heard something really quick on the new system, I think it was one of our medics, it was really quick, haven't heard anything since, that was a week or 2 ago. as for the 996p2 the only thing he can pick up is newton county on their conventional system, but he can only hear dispatch but not the deputies response. Maybe I'll have him bring back over and double check things. I wonder if he knows you, his sister says there are a couple houses by hers that have "big antennas" by her, if I get his permission I'll dm his name to you. Or you can DM yours to me and I'll ask him if he knows you.

Wow I'm surprised u hear it better since he's the one more open area by the firehouse. But the SDS scanners have great sensitivity. How well does ur SDS get the Morocco? It would suck only hearing the vhf frequency and hear only dispatch on both the FD/EMS/EMA vhf frequency and Sheriff frequency. You might catch a fire, EMS, or Sheriff units on vhf but it's very rare.

Ya I heard the fire units before and medic 3 I believe also, it was probably either the Medic unit trying to get dispatch and got no response, several units have tried get dispatch over past couple months but never get a response from dispatch.

I got it set to record also so if I'm not here I catch it. If you can, can u look in upper right top corner of ur scanner and let me know how many bars u get on Newton Countys new system or if ur up to it I'm kinda curious ur signal on the Morocco site, and both lake county sites. If not it's fine. I'm so jealous u can get them all good on just a stock antenna, i get nothing on most of those systems but lil bit on Newton Countys new system on the stock antennas.

Do u know if he can pick up the new Newton County system? If he can then he should be good on the 996p2 even if it's not the best on simulcast, but being like around 4 miles away from the North tower and almost 18 miles away from the south tower he should be good.

 

[19K10Tanker]

Wow I'm surprised u hear it better since he's the one more open area by the firehouse. But the SDS scanners have great sensitivity. How well does ur SDS get the Morocco? It would suck only hearing the vhf frequency and hear only dispatch on both the FD/EMS/EMA vhf frequency and Sheriff frequency. You might catch a fire, EMS, or Sheriff units on vhf but it's very rare.

Ya I heard the fire units before and medic 3 I believe also, it was probably either the Medic unit trying to get dispatch and got no response, several units have tried get dispatch over past couple months but never get a response from dispatch.

I got it set to record also so if I'm not here I catch it. If you can, can u look in upper right top corner of ur scanner and let me know how many bars u get on Newton Countys new system or if ur up to it I'm kinda curious ur signal on the Morocco site, and both lake county sites. If not it's fine. I'm so jealous u can get them all good on just a stock antenna, i get nothing on most of those systems but lil bit on Newton Countys new system on the stock antennas.

Do u know if he can pick up the new Newton County system? If he can then he should be good on the 996p2 even if it's not the best on simulcast, but being like around 4 miles away from the North tower and almost 18 miles away from the south tower he should be good.

I have just Morocco for Newton county and both Morocco and Lake County simulcast for ISP, DNR, etc.. in my SDS, and it fluctuates between 3 and 5 bars for Newton, ISP, DNR, US Marshals, etc. on the Safe-T system. It fluctuates between 2 and 4 for the new system. He said he hasn't heard anything on the new system yet, but he hasn't been paying attention, and since they really haven't said anything but a few words over the past couple weeks I can't imagine he would. On another note when I had the 996p2 before I bought the SDS I had Newton county conventional programed in, and I heard Dispatch, I heard FD, EMA, Medics response to dispatch, the only person I could NOT hear, was the response to dispatch from the Deputies, or Deputies calling in a trafic stop, etc.. but heard dispatch talking to them (if this makes sense)

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

I have just Morocco for Newton county and both Morocco and Lake County simulcast for ISP, DNR, etc.. in my SDS, and it fluctuates between 3 and 5 bars for Newton, ISP, DNR, US Marshals, etc. on the Safe-T system. It fluctuates between 2 and 4 for the new system. He said he hasn't heard anything on the new system yet, but he hasn't been paying attention, and since they really haven't said anything but a few words over the past couple weeks I can't imagine he would. On another note when I had the 996p2 before I bought the SDS I had Newton county conventional programed in, and I heard Dispatch, I heard FD, EMA, Medics response to dispatch, the only person I could NOT hear, was the response to dispatch from the Deputies, or Deputies calling in a trafic stop, etc.. but heard dispatch talking to them (if this makes sense)

I'm so jealous u get that decent of bars for Morocco and lake county simulcast on rubber ducky. I can't even get a bar hardly if any on Morocco and tiny more on lake county with stock antenna.

The new system I cud get 4 bars even 5 on a good night depending on where I put the scanner at with the rubber ducky on my psr800 on 700.08125 but when the control channel switched to 700.09375 I got absolutely nothing really no matter where I'd put the scanner.. If it got windy even the 4 bars or so on the best day wud essentially fluctuate and go out.

Ya on the conventional vhf frequency 155.0700 and 158.8050 (central antenna)/154.4675 (north antenna), it's only the dispatch, so ya it definitely makes sense ... What it is, is the dispatch talks on both the conventional and state system at the same time, they key up on both, but the units, whether FD, police, EMS they talk on the state system.

It's supposed to be the same when they switch to the new one also... Dispatch will key up both conventional and on the new system simultaneously but the units will only be on the new system.

If your buddy don't get the conventional dispatch very well for EMS, FD tell him make sure he gets the 154.4675 cause that antenna is right on that silo on the farm when u go east on 10 just past the railroad tracks just east of 300 west in lake village. So it's very close to him (you). Cause the 158.8050 frequency is down by Enos. He still will only hear the dispatch but the frequency will come in better. He will just have to wait for the new system and pick that up to get both sides of the conversation.

Ya there is no traffic essentially on the new system yet, what I was saying in my last post about hearing the Medic and fire etc, ive even 3 officers at one point on different days and dispatch didn't respond, I was talking about the new system. I've never heard dispatch on it yet. Thanks for checking the bars out and taking the time to do that for me, I appreciate it

 

[19K10Tanker]

I'm so jealous u get that decent of bars for Morocco and lake county simulcast on rubber ducky. I can't even get a bar hardly if any on Morocco and tiny more on lake county with stock antenna.

The new system I cud get 4 bars even 5 on a good night depending on where I put the scanner at with the rubber ducky on my psr800 on 700.08125 but when the control channel switched to 700.09375 I got absolutely nothing really no matter where I'd put the scanner.. If it got windy even the 4 bars or so on the best day wud essentially fluctuate and go out.

Ya on the conventional vhf frequency 155.0700 and 158.8050 (central antenna)/154.4675 (north antenna), it's only the dispatch, so ya it definitely makes sense ... What it is, is the dispatch talks on both the conventional and state system at the same time, they key up on both, but the units, whether FD, police, EMS they talk on the state system.

It's supposed to be the same when they switch to the new one also... Dispatch will key up both conventional and on the new system simultaneously but the units will only be on the new system.

If your buddy don't get the conventional dispatch very well for EMS, FD tell him make sure he gets the 154.4675 cause that antenna is right on that silo on the farm when u go east on 10 just past the railroad tracks just east of 300 west in lake village. So it's very close to him (you). Cause the 158.8050 frequency is down by Enos. He still will only hear the dispatch but the frequency will come in better. He will just have to wait for the new system and pick that up to get both sides of the conversation.

Ya there is no traffic essentially on the new system yet, what I was saying in my last post about hearing the Medic and fire etc, ive even 3 officers at one point on different days and dispatch didn't respond, I was talking about the new system. I've never heard dispatch on it yet. Thanks for checking the bars out and taking the time to do that for me, I appreciate it

Thanks for all your help and guidance, I had my buddy bring the 996 over yesterday and I reprogrammed everything using ProScan, but this time I added the Monon tower with the Morocco tower, and low and behold, he can now hear Newton on Safe-T, I had no idea certain towers would make a difference, I thought the nearest tower would be the better choice, thanks again.

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

Thanks for all your help and guidance, I had my buddy bring the 996 over yesterday and I reprogrammed everything using ProScan, but this time I added the Monon tower with the Morocco tower, and low and behold, he can now hear Newton on Safe-T, I had no idea certain towers would make a difference, I thought the nearest tower would be the better choice, thanks again.

That is amazing and surprising, monon is like 30 miles to pick that up on a stock antenna is amazing. He is up there in the open though by the firehouse. Your right though the nearest tower is usually better especially when it in your count and half the distance away. Nonetheless, glad we cud help and happy he can now get it.

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

I been searching for the license every which way, uls search, uls application search, asr search, oet search etc etc nothing under the county, nothing for the town that the tower close to me is at on, the asr search, nothing under EF Johnson etc etc

But one thing I noticed is supposedly the FRN for EF Johnson is 0004201521 and what's odd that I noticed is that the 420 part directly in the middle of the FRN number which just so happens to be the Sysid and NAC right now on the system.

Upon more investigation, supposedly EF Johnson uses the basic default system ID and NAC on systems. I read "EF Johnson ships their ATLAS P25 repeaters or site in a box kits, the hardware often comes pre programmed with default System ID and NAC of 420 for shop testing"

I kinda wondered why it didn't have normal SYSTEM ID like 6BD, 1A4, 6BC etc. and having same NAC as System ID like this one currently does. Nonetheless what was put in the DB as System ID might not be right and probably will change when the system is out of this test mode.

This all cud be wrong cause I'm asking AI and cud just be looking for a ghost that ain't there, but I thought it was interesting and worth noting.

Edit side note: heard 56-51 (Goodland PD) try to get dispatch 3x the other night on the DB TG 30, so still points to it being Sheriff Dispatch..... Also just now two 6 second transmissions on TG 26 encrypted TG so that seems more verification for both those TG's relative to DB entries

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

Got another encrypted TG yesterday around 7:30-7:38pm central. 4 transmissions total, 3 of the 4 were 3 seconds, 1 was 4 seconds. TG 22

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

Here's a picture of the south tower, there was big antennas on this tower about a month or so ago, but it still seems to have no antennas now, unless they are so tiny now on those mounts that u can't see them.

The antennas used to be the same on each tower. I'll get a pic from that one when I got that way again so I can see the antennas on the north tower.

 

[west-pac]

Here's a picture of the south tower, there was big antennas on this tower about a month or so ago, but it still seems to have no antennas now, unless they are so tiny now on those mounts that u can't see them.

The antennas used to be the same on each tower. I'll get a pic from that one when I got that way again so I can see the antennas on the north tower.

The blue/teal antenna, at the top, is the antenna. There should be another one down lower that looks identical.

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

The blue/teal antenna, at the top, is the antenna. There should be another one down lower that looks identical.

I had thought that at first and still possibly is the CCs antenna. I began to yink it was just a lightning rod because it was so different from the other antennas that were on that tower in the picture.

What u can see is what there is I realize the pictures are ****, but in the first u can see a type of antenna right by the microwave antenna about half way up the tower. Then those mounts about 3/4 the way up used to have 2 big white panel looking antennas but are missing now, and have been for about a month. But what u see is what there is, the silver antenna by the microwave antenna then the antenna at the top

What used to be is all I just listed and 2 more on the mounts yat have nothing now. I'll get the picture of the other tower tomorrow so u can see what it looks like and how the North tower had all the same hardware as the south.

The north one has that one rod at the top, 2 antennas that are white panels on those same mounts then a silver one close to the microwave. I don't understand why the antennas are missing from where they were mounted unless they removed the panel type ones and put tiny ones in those mounts u can see 3/4 way up.

I'll post other pics tomorrow afternoon.

 

[mr10pt]

Did a search of Midwest Grants. Still, nothing posted. Does this indicate a problem with emsissions or other issues?

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

Did a search of Midwest Grants. Still, nothing posted. Does this indicate a problem with emsissions or other issues?

I've searched everything possible to find the license. I heard it should not be expected to be at the FCC for a couple of weeks and that was last week.

I was kinda more just curious of why the antennas that were on the tower before are now gone from those mounts 3/4 the way up. I realize it's hard to see I'll try to just post the pics themselves and not screenshots of them. I'm not sure I'll be able to because it said the files were to big months ago when I tried.

I'm get better pictures tomorrow but of the north tower so it can be compared and so I can show the antennas that were on the south tower and are now not.

Unless there is tiny antennas on those mounts, idk and don't pretend to. I just know there was (1 month or so ago) 2 big antennas on those mounts that seem empty now. So just wondered why they might have removed them

Edit:.tried repost pics but no better

 

[AK9R]

I had thought that at first and still possibly is the CCs antenna.

All transmitters for that site will be combined into one antenna. There won't be a separate antenna for the control channel.

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

All transmitters for that site will be combined into one antenna. There won't be a separate antenna for the control channel.

So all six frequencies will be in 1 antenna? What are the other antennas for then and the ones that got removed? Was the antennas that got removed from that mount 3/4 way up hanging off the tower just test antennas? I don't really know anything about all this, I've never seen 6 frequencies on 1 antenna but idk honestly.

Please respond again tomorrow when I get the pic from the north tower cause then everyone can understand what I'm talking about. I'll like to hear yours and others thoughts of what I'm seeing and talking about. Because I honestly have no clue really.

I'll try get better close ups on this tower, the best I can. Tomorrow afternoon I'll get the pics, it really will make me feel better if it is an antenna on the top and not directional type on the sides of the tower.

 

[west-pac]

The antennas that were removed were likely from other radios that the county no longer uses. One of those mounts will likely get another blue/teal antenna.

Often on P25 sites there is one antenna for tramsit, and one antenna for receive.

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

The antennas that were removed were likely from other radios that the county no longer uses. One of those mounts will likely get another blue/teal antenna.

Often on P25 sites there is one antenna for tramsit, and one antenna for receive.

Na, these are brand new towers. I know where there other stuff is, enos, Morocco. U got me thinking they were dummy antennas why else wud they take them off there.

 

[west-pac]

Nobody is putting up dummy antennas.

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

Ya probably not i don't know. I read about it, that they test thru them, like put power out thru them without it transmitting and something to do with it's power is converted to heat or something.

I'll let you all see what I'm talking about tomorrow so u can see the antennas in talking bout.

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

Ok so here is the north tower, and the white antennas that I was talking about 3/4 way up like the south tower used to have. At one point I thought there was 3 antennas, 1 on very top and those 2 white ones on the side.

Then I thought since the antennas on the side looked different than the top rod, I started to think the one on top was a lightning rod and the 2 on the side were the actual antennas. But again I don't know really, 3 antennas with 2 frequencies on each makes sense or what I was thinking 3 frequencies on 2 antennas (the white ones)

I know they aint the best pictures they said about 300kb but when I upload they change to around 40 to 50kb. Its probably because I'm not very good to know how to resize etc especially on a cheap amazon tablet