Norman FD/EMS notes

[plaws]

What concerns me is that there isn't any mechanism for the city to do anything about EMSSTAT shortages directly.

Status quo a few years later. Contract for building Engine 9's quarters at 3001 E Alameda St was approved at the CC meeting the other week - finally! The "temporary" sales tax may run out before it's completed, of course. In the same amount of time that Norman has built one new station and tried to build another, I think Moore has built four stations or something.

EMSSTAT 7x units -- the units with a single EMT and a stretcher-bearer (or whatever) -- are routinely running on EMS calls instead of the flood of transfers between the various NRHS components that they were intended to service. If you listen carefully, sometimes Norman will dispatch an NFD Engine and an EMSSTAT 9x unit. The 90s are supervisors and that means that there are no ambulances available, at least as far as the dispatcher knows. If you listen enough, you may even hear "Engine x and any available EMSSTAT unit" dispatched.

 

[n5bew1]

I think the ultimate solution is a giant bond issue to construct tunnels connecting all three NRH facilities. By using giant pneumatic patient carrying canisters with the capacity of one bed and 2 transporters you could free up all the Emstat 70 units and turn them into full EMS trucks. I am sure there are a few tunnel boring machines left floating around on the surplus market. Just think of the advantages of no weather related issues in transporting patients. However the City of Norman must not be allowed to place traffic calming (speed bumps) devices in the tunnels.Heh this can work..right?

 

[plaws]

New Norman apparatus

Committee raises questions about PSST » Headlines » The Norman Transcript

Per the article, new tankers will be stationed at 8's and 9's. Also, the chief is covetting a new truck to replace Truck 2 (apparently the the Snorkel is from 1969, when Snorkels were popular, but was remounted in 1997). Not sure why since T2 seems to be ourt of service as a company more often than not. That and most of the engines that have been purchased lately have been Quints.

 

[plaws]

NFD DC <--> Fireground 1

At first, I thought it was just the "permanent patch", but those are actually gone (PD, FD, and OUPD). But I've heard it enough now that I'm confident. DC and Fireground 1 have swapped. No idea why this is, but 48912 is now DC and 48880 is now Fireground 1.

I think the PD is the same, but I don't listen to them enough to be sure. I know that whatever is listed as R&I in the DB is where all the traffic is. OUPD, likewise, has all traffic on "Tac 1".

 

[plaws]

Status quo a few years later. Contract for building Engine 9's quarters at 3001 E Alameda St was approved at the CC meeting the other week - finally! The "temporary" sales tax may run out before it's completed, of course. In the same amount of time that Norman has built one new station and tried to build another, I think Moore has built four stations or something.

Engine 9's house finally opened in August of 2013.

Apparently, when you hire people on a temporary sales tax, you have to lay them off when that tax expires as promised. No one could have predicted that!

Even though the "temporary" sales tax doesn't expire until 2015 we were told it was a Red Light All Hands Emergency to renew it now now now.

138 more people believed that than didn't so it's now permanent.

Grrr.

 

[plaws]

Never mind all that crap.

There has been a bunch of testing on Norman LMA 7N lately. no indication what the techs were doing.

Today, everything seems patched like the old days, but to LMAs.

• NPD DC (51984) -> LMA 7B (57456)
• NFD DC (48912) -> LMA 7C (57488)
• NRHS Porter Campus ED (55120) -> LMA 7E (57552)

Nope. No idea why.

 

[plaws]

Never mind all that crap.

There has been a bunch of testing on Norman LMA 7N lately. no indication what the techs were doing.

Today, everything seems patched like the old days, but to LMAs.

• NPD DC (51984) -> LMA 7B (57456)
• NFD DC (48912) -> LMA 7C (57488)
• NRHS Porter Campus ED (55120) -> LMA 7E (57552)

Nope. No idea why.

Ah. The nerdfest known as the Medieval Fair. Command post seems to be on LMA 7D (57520).

EMS Bikes are out, too.

 

[plaws]

FD Label Update

Just submitted this to the DB.

48880	bef	A	NormnFD Disp	Norman Fire and EMS Dispatch (D-C)
48912	bf1	A	Norman Fire1	Norman Fire -- Fire 1

Swap the labels. I thought it was a side-effect of them patching those two groups together but it's not. They haven't had them patched in at least 6 months at this point. I have heard many "go to Fire 1" or "go to Fireground 1" on what used to be Fire 1 (48912) and then heard the units show up on what used to be DC (48880). So it's time to swap them.

Oddly, when they do have an incident that has a lot of traffic they usually switch them to Fire 2. No idea why.

And they do use "DC" as the channel name, though I have no idea why.

I don't listen to the PD nearly as much so while I think the same thing has happened with their "R&I" and "Dispatch" channels, I am NOT certain. Yet. OUPD is doing something different, too. There is NEVER traffic on what used to be their dispatch. All very strange.

But the FD stuff I am certain of.

 

[KX5MOT]

You are correct.

Norman PD DC and R&I have swapped

Norman FD DC and FG-1 have swapped

OU PD DC and Tac-1 have swapped.

 

[plaws]

You are correct.

Norman PD DC and R&I have swapped

Norman FD DC and FG-1 have swapped

OU PD DC and Tac-1 have swapped.

I figured, but like I said, I don't listen to NPD enough to be certain. I do actually listen to OUPD regularly and, other than rugby events, I rarely hear anything on any channel other than Tac 1 (or however it's really labeled).

 

[plaws]

Consultants contracted

Norman has contracted (or is about to) with RCC Consultants Inc for planning the replacement of the existing Norman radio system. Evidently, they are the same people running the replacement of the CAD.

I don't know if there are any plans to upgrade dispatchers (pay and training, specifically).

Anyone heard of these folks? They're based in Woodbridge, NJ (conveniently located at the junction of the Turnpike and the Parkway!)

And yes, it will be P25 and may be TDMA. Says so in the Scope of Work, so don't bother debating it.

City contract # is K-1415-16. I got the info from the city email list; you'll have to google.

 

[ZGX]

Norman has contracted (or is about to) with RCC Consultants Inc for planning the replacement of the existing Norman radio system. Evidently, they are the same people running the replacement of the CAD.

I don't know if there are any plans to upgrade dispatchers (pay and training, specifically).

Anyone heard of these folks? They're based in Woodbridge, NJ (conveniently located at the junction of the Turnpike and the Parkway!)

And yes, it will be P25 and may be TDMA. Says so in the Scope of Work, so don't bother debating it.

City contract # is K-1415-16. I got the info from the city email list; you'll have to google.

Will be interesting to see if Edmond follows suit as they and Norman have been working together with New World on the CAD, RMS, Patrol Software upgrades.

 

[plaws]

Will be interesting to see if Edmond follows suit as they and Norman have been working together with New World on the CAD, RMS, Patrol Software upgrades.

Knew about the new CAD, etc, but did not know about Edmond and Norman working together on same. Probably a good thing.

The SOW makes specific mention of /\/\otorola EOLing their current equipment in 2018.

 

[ZGX]

Knew about the new CAD, etc, but did not know about Edmond and Norman working together on same. Probably a good thing.

The SOW makes specific mention of /\/\otorola EOLing their current equipment in 2018.

It's more a sharing of costs issue between the two by bringing the techs and New World out here to train and implement both at the same time. Then again, if it worked with software, I guess it could work on radio issues as well depending on what Edmond decides to do in the future.

 

[plaws]

A little birdie has told me that Tankers 8 and 9 are in service now. Rescue 2 is now Rescue 7 but still gets cancelled more than it arrives on scene. Engine 3 will be getting another new piece soon (see further back in this thread for their last new piece).

 

[plaws]

MWC EMS out at Moore, EMSSTAT in.

They're so short of units I don't know how this will work. You can tell they are out of units -- or at least the PD has no idea who is available -- when they tone out an engine and an EMSSTAT shift commander.

http://www.normantranscript.com/new...cle_f3e3d5d4-ff99-5ebb-ba70-b277cae08c28.html

 

[plaws]

They're so short of units I don't know how this will work. You can tell they are out of units -- or at least the PD has no idea who is available -- when they tone out an engine and an EMSSTAT shift commander.

http://www.normantranscript.com/new...cle_f3e3d5d4-ff99-5ebb-ba70-b277cae08c28.html

I have it on good authority that this will start October 1, 2015.

 

[n5bew1]

I wonder if EMSTAT's hand helds will affiliate with the Moore water tower antenna on OKC's OKWIN site when they are a mile away. Maybe they would do that already I don't know???

 

[plaws]

I wonder if EMSTAT's hand helds will affiliate with the Moore water tower antenna on OKC's OKWIN site when they are a mile away. Maybe they would do that already I don't know???

I would expect so. If not, the sysadmin can allow that group of radios to affiliate where ever they need to.

I'm more concerned that if they don't hire that there will be many more instances of there being no units available. When they don't have any units (or don't know who is available, which amazes me) they'll dispatch an engine co and a supervisor. The supervisor usually comes on the air and asks some crew to what they are doing to see if they can respond.

Whatever you do, don't get out a stop watch and start it when the dispatcher says "Engine X and EMSSTAT 9X, stand by for tones" because you'll wonder about that whole "seconds count" thing if you do! :lol:

 

[n5bew1]

Well yes I have heard the circus somedays when engine X gets dispatched and then after a bit a chief comes on the radio and tells dispatch yes you need to make engine X last out tone out engine Y instead, etc, etc.