OFFICIAL NYSEG P25 System Thread

[pro92b]

No other ideas; I had a PRO-2096 but sold it so I can't try it myself. The PSR-500 tracks NYSEG and the PRO-106 should as well. The 396 is about to be supersceded by a new model and when that happens it should drop in price.

 

[razorbak412]

does any one know if i can program a BC796D to work correct ? i know i have picked up voice on it under conv freq 152.8175 and 152.7875. i work for NYSEG and use my scanner to get a heads up for being called in. i have not used it in a wile when they changed radios and freq. i thought uniden was going to have a software update in jan. that would make it so i could work it rite but i cant see were any thing is changed. im still confused . i cant get any info from installers. im told the only one who knows any thing is some one in binghamton. i email uniden and call them and get no response. im about ready to give up and sell it.

 

[rbm]

does any one know if i can program a BC796D to work correct ?

Since you haven't received an answer yet, I'll take a stab at it.

Looking at the specs for the BCD796D you should be able to program it for CC only.

It may take a little time to find the closest Control Channels. Start by tuning to each of the CC frequencies below. You 'should' be able to find a strong one near you.

Then program that frequency for Control Channel only.

Rich

151.7300
151.9700
152.0225
152.0525
152.0675
152.0825
152.0975
152.1425
152.1575
152.2025
152.2175
152.5025
152.5175
152.5325
152.5475
152.5925
152.6375
152.6825
152.6975
152.7125
152.7425
152.7575
152.7725
152.7875
152.8025
152.8175
153.0575
153.1475
153.2000
153.2150
153.2600
153.2750

Edit: FWIW, I heard the radio techs talking last week about changing the frequencies around on a few sites. I haven't fired up Unitrunker recently to check for recent changes.

 

[razorbak412]

i will work on it

im not sure if to use LTR system or the EDACS system . i will try all those on one bank then try it again with the other system. i notice so far that when i pick up voice on 152.8175 it wont pick it up on the EDACS set up . dont understand that one . i have slow dial up takes me a long time on this computer. can only get one it at night after work.

 

[PJH]

It needs to be setup as a P25 system, or at least Type II (I don't have that scanner, but thats based on memory).

The NYSEG system is NOT LTR or EDACS. Its not even a Motorola Type II (but I think some scanners use that setting, but that really would be incorrect). There should be an option for 9600 (P25) Trunking. Thats the one you want.

 

[razorbak412]

ok i have not tried that one yet. i have 3 active frequencys for voice and 1 for data. my manuel says i can use motorola type 2/p25 vhf. i can get that far but then it ask for system base freq system space freq system channel offset. i got no idea what that is to even enter it. then trunk channel then frequency. after that it says to do talk groups. i think i found 3 on this thread. but i cant figure out how to enter them eather

 

[razorbak412]

well i tryed every thing i can think of and it wont rite. i know i dont have the correct info and how to enter it in scanner will try back in a few months and see if any one figured it out yet. i was going to buy one of those software programs but they dont tell if it will work for this model.

 

[DaveNF2G]

Read the entire thread. There are links to a web page that has all of the info you need to program your scanner.

 

[razorbak412]

i guess i need lingo better explained . what is a base frequency ? is that the same as a control channel? what is a offset channel ? is that the same as offset on a 2 meter ham radio. ? if so how can you trunk track that ? its not following talk groups its only listens to 2 freq s.. it will only except a 3 digit number (sometimes) . my owners manual is worthless. here is direct quote...(these settings are normally provided along with the system frequencies.) im not seeing them or finding them any where.

 

[rbm]

ok i have not tried that one yet. i have 3 active frequencys for voice and 1 for data. my manuel says i can use motorola type 2/p25 vhf. i can get that far but then it ask for system base freq system space freq system channel offset. i got no idea what that is to even enter it. then trunk channel then frequency. after that it says to do talk groups. i think i found 3 on this thread. but i cant figure out how to enter them eather

Don't give up.

You can give this a try. I can't promise anything because I'm not familiar with the BC796D. Someone else would be better able to help you.

You may get better results if you ask in the Uniden forum. There should be some BC796D users there willing to help you. Try posting there with a link to the NYSEG entry in the database so they can see what you're trying to program for. ( Scanner Frequencies: New York State Electric & Gas (NYSEG) Trunking System, Various, New York )

You can identify the Control Channel by the constant sound of data on it.

There are three frequency tables that I see used on the NYSEG sites near me. You'll require software to enter more than one table. (This can be a problem with some scanners & VHF systems.) The newer scanners can read this information right from the Control Channel.

If you can only enter one table, you won't be able to receive everything. (Maybe nothing.)
I've found Table 3 to be the most common. Table 5 is close behind, and Table 2 is less often used.

Rich

Table 2:
Base: 136.000 MHz
Space: 10 KHz (or 0.010) - This is the step/spacing between each frequency.
Offset: 0

Table 3:
Base: 142.4225 MHz
Space: 5 KHz (or 0.005)
Offset: 0

Table 5:
Base: 147.0125 MHz
Space: 2.5 KHz (or 0.0025)
Offset: 0

 

[razorbak412]

i will try any thing at this point . i have two demo software im tryin out. afraid to buy if i cant get this to work.

 

[K2KOH]

Hey, Dave...I had the NYSEG system on while on a photo jaunt. I noticed that Brewster talkgroups were simulcast up the line into the Catskills, but not in Columbia County. Is this a linked system or selectively linked or what?

 

[PJH]

No. It works the same way as a Motorola SmartZone system. You will ONLY (normally) hear talkgroups at a site if there is a radio affilated to that site. I don't recall if NYSEG enabled scanning in the radios, but having a talkgroup system or zone wide is typically only done if: Scanning is enabled, and if its a systemwide talkgroup or annocement group: IE Emergency weather info, mobilization, etc.

This is especially true on OBT systems as frequency allocations (outside of the federal splits) are hard to come by.

In short, there may have been a vehicle with the Brewster talkgroup selected in the area that you were in.

 

[DaveNF2G]

Yeah, what he said.

 

[loumaag]

does any one know if i can program a BC796D to work correct ? i know i have picked up voice on it under conv freq 152.8175 and 152.7875. i work for NYSEG and use my scanner to get a heads up for being called in. i have not used it in a wile when they changed radios and freq. i thought uniden was going to have a software update in jan. that would make it so i could work it rite but i cant see were any thing is changed. im still confused . i cant get any info from installers. im told the only one who knows any thing is some one in binghamton. i email uniden and call them and get no response. im about ready to give up and sell it.

I saw your post in the Uniden forum and came here to see if I could provide you information.

The 796D can be programed for VHF P25 systems. You must have a recent firmware update installed, not necessarily the one put out a few days ago, but certainly one newer than the radio as it came from the factory (obviously the most recent one would work). You must program the radio as a VHF Moto system, you must program all of the frequencies (voice and control) for the site you are going to monitor, when you do so you can just leave the the base/offset/spacing set at the default (it will be ignored on a P25 system.) Once you have that done, it should work just fine, it will read the tables (as broadcast by the CCh) and start tracking pretty quickly.

 

[razorbak412]

ok i will try that . maybe im not understanding the talk group thing. i want to set/hold on one channel and hear only the line crews. i thought that the scanner will track talk group to the frenqency . i have my friends bcd996t. im gonna try his and see what happens . what kind of scanners are you guys using to get this to show talk groups and system IDs ?

 

[rbm]

ok i will try that . maybe im not understanding the talk group thing. i want to set/hold on one channel and hear only the line crews. i thought that the scanner will track talk group to the frenqency . i have my friends bcd996t. im gonna try his and see what happens . what kind of scanners are you guys using to get this to show talk groups and system IDs ?

Since all users on a site share the same frequencies, Talk Groups are used to separate the groups of users on the system. Then Line only hears Line communications, Gas only hears Gas communications, etc..

So you program all of the frequencies for the site and only those Talk Groups you want to listen to.

If all you care to listen to are the Elmira Line crews, you only need to program one talk group ( 141 - Elmira Line ).

The radio, by default, will display the active Talk Group ID. You can program text labels to them if you wish, but that's not required.

I use BCD396T's and BCD996T's.

With your friends BCD996T, if you press HOLD while on an active NYSEG control channel, the SYSTEM and SITE information will scroll on the display as below:

SID: 0269h-0109

0109 is the site number.

Rich

 

[loumaag]

As Rich says, you need to program the TG's that you want to hear; however, in the beginning just listen in IDSEARCH mode to make sure you are picking up traffic before you limit what you listen to.

 

[PJH]

If you want to pay postage both ways, I'll program up your scanner and ship it back. My residence is south of Hancock..

 

[razorbak412]

i got to keep tryin to program the thing . im one of those guys who has to know how it works. i still cant get it. my friends 996 still wont pick it up in the trunking system. i want to download the new update for him and try it. it seems the bandplan is not rite or i did some thing wrong again. looks like its only looking at one frenquency. no info comes up . no talk group or any thing. i used P25 on his entered all the freqs talk groups and nothing . it only picks up on conventional and then its i get line meter and gas so i miss what i want because there on another freq