SABRE46
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Car2back, pm sent since this really isn't radio related anymore...
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Chaos703
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Wouldn't you think that the trooper would watch a little YouTube to at least make sure that, no matter what spin he was going to put on it, his account would not contradict what is obvious on the video? That whole report was just like putting up a huge billboard saying:
"I'M LYING!!!!!!"
I think it was bad enough to that they pulled over the ambulance (finger or not), but even worse that they can't man up to telling the truth about loosing their temper.
SABRE46
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They're now saying that no charges will be filed on either side. Guess they realized both sides look bad in this deal so they're leaving it alone...
They're now saying that no charges will be filed on either side. Guess they realized both sides look bad in this deal so they're leaving it alone...
rusd
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OHP vs. EMT
I wonder if this is the same Trooper that was caught on video in Henryetta out side a bar with a women hand cuffed and her on the ground kicking her. This was in the news but was played down. Henryetta , Payden what 25 miles apart. Also the Trooper assulted a Federal employe Creek Nation Ambulance and didn't the state of Oklahoma around may 20th make it a Felon to assult a EMT while doing his job, and WHO is this women that OHP doesn't talk about.
I wonder if this is the same Trooper that was caught on video in Henryetta out side a bar with a women hand cuffed and her on the ground kicking her. This was in the news but was played down. Henryetta , Payden what 25 miles apart. Also the Trooper assulted a Federal employe Creek Nation Ambulance and didn't the state of Oklahoma around may 20th make it a Felon to assult a EMT while doing his job, and WHO is this women that OHP doesn't talk about.
Chaos703
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Just saw a big Fox News story on this. A BIG investigative report. They're doing it as part of their "Nowhere to Hide" series with Brian Wilson. Why do I have the feeling that this is just getting started?
Nowhere to Hide - FOXNews.com
Nowhere to Hide - FOXNews.com
tkjr4160
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After seeing the dash cam video I think the paramedic is completely at fault. He shouldn't have gone on a powertrip. How many times did the trooper warn him?
VIDEO: Oklahoma Highway Patrol Releases Dashcam Video from EMT Scuffle - The KRMG Morning News Blog on krmg.com
VIDEO: Oklahoma Highway Patrol Releases Dashcam Video from EMT Scuffle - The KRMG Morning News Blog on krmg.com
After watching the dash cam. I agree that the paramedic is to blame. The driver should have yielded to the trooper who was running code 3. The ambulance is a emergency vehicle however when they are not running lights or lights and sirens they must obey all the laws that we do as average citizens. The driver of the ambulance acted like he knew his was at fault. The hot head that jumped out of the back was out of line. I being warned about 5 or more times to get back in the ambulance he then got up in the troopers face. The trooper at that time had no idea this out of control person was going to do. Then on top of that he resisted arrest the trooper was acting a way that all of us in the same situation. I commend the ambulance driver for acting professional and obeying the trooper. He was at fault however he did not act like a fool however the paramedic in back needs to be charged. The trooper was doing his job and am glad that they show even you are in a emergency vehicle and not running an emergency run that you are just like the rest of us on the street.
fireant
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I would have to disagree to some extent. Watch the video closely, too bad the dash cam doesn't display the Troopers speed especially during the second romp through town. As the Trooper flies up on the ambulance there is a car in front of the ambulance that pulls off the road then the ambulance does so too. The Trooper accelerates again and quite a bit of time goes by before he is heard radioing the driver to check his mirrors, too much distance to see any single finger gesture in a rear-view mirror. He arrives on scene of his call and isn't there 30 seconds before he speeds off after the Ambulance (No Siren, can't tell about lights) The he proceeds to break out a Three ring circus on the side of the street. No professional Action here except for the Ambulance Driver and at this time I doubt ever displayed a finger to the Trooper. It is believed to be that the Troopers wife was riding with him during this event and I believe that too much testosterone was Town around with some infecting the Paramedic/EMT and then here come the Clowns, count them as they stroll around and even into the ambulance. Whose to blame? Everybody involved but more on the Trooper for letting or escalating this into the event it has become. Do any of you think you would let a Trooper talk to you in this manner or your wife for something like this? Could you really sit in the passenger seat and take this?
Totally agree with Freqed on this one. This troopers action was totally inappropriate for the situation and OHP better deal with it to the publics satisfaction if they want to keep any integrity intact. If they blow this off, the public image of OHP is going to be tarnished for a long time to come. OHP troopers have a responsibility to protect and serve the citizens and visitors of this state in a courteous and professional manner and the actions of this trooper are totally unacceptable. I have worked with and around troopers for years and something has to be done about this incident. Many of them do have that egotistical "I am God" attitude, as clearly Trooper Martin does. The Paramedic was indeed out of line with his actions as well, but the brunt of the blame for this incident is clearly the result of the troopers "high and mighty" attitude that he immediately displayed upon exiting his car. He clearly should be an ex-trooper immediately. His OHP days should be history. After seeing this video, I am contacting my state legislators and the governors office about this on Monday.
Herm
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The paramedic started that whole deal. As soon as the trooper told the paramedic that his business was with the driver and then told him OVER AND OVER to get back in the ambulance, the paramedic should have just said "ok" and done so. More than likely the trooper would have vented to the driver about his frustration and the driver should have been most apologetic and just said "Yes sir, sorry sir, etc etc".
The trooper was addressing a perceived issue with how the ambulance was being operated and with an alleged obscene gesture from the driver. There could be some back story or some history of OHP vs. Creek Nation EMS on some prior scenes as well that we're not hearing about.
Also, if I was that trooper, I would NOT have appreciated a family swarming me on a traffic stop like flies on a piece of fried chicken.
That just adds to the frustration.
Maurice needs to apologize for even STARTING to run that lame "I'm the paramedic and I'm in charge" line of crap on the trooper. So far, I don't see that the trooper needs to apologize for anything.
The fact that the trooper said "****" in the course of his dialog is irrelevant. If that's the only complaint people can come up with, the troopers language, then the argument against the trooper is VERY weak.
Also, for people that have never worn a badge to come on here and sharpshoot this whole situation kind of sucks as well.
The trooper was addressing a perceived issue with how the ambulance was being operated and with an alleged obscene gesture from the driver. There could be some back story or some history of OHP vs. Creek Nation EMS on some prior scenes as well that we're not hearing about.
Also, if I was that trooper, I would NOT have appreciated a family swarming me on a traffic stop like flies on a piece of fried chicken.
That just adds to the frustration. Maurice needs to apologize for even STARTING to run that lame "I'm the paramedic and I'm in charge" line of crap on the trooper. So far, I don't see that the trooper needs to apologize for anything.
The fact that the trooper said "****" in the course of his dialog is irrelevant. If that's the only complaint people can come up with, the troopers language, then the argument against the trooper is VERY weak.
Also, for people that have never worn a badge to come on here and sharpshoot this whole situation kind of sucks as well.
ScanManQSL
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I am a huge fan of law enforcement unlike many on this thread, most of whom have probably been in trouble with the law at one time or another, however, there are some cops that are complete power mongering douche bags, and this cop is one of them! He wanted to prove his position of authority over the EMT. This was a full on **** fight nothing more. The EMT didn't assault the cop, the cop was abusing his power plain and simple. Cops like this are fortunately a minority in law enforcement. Don't judge the entire institution based on those of a few!
Chaos703
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Perceptions are funny. I watched the video and thought, "Well, I guess I know why they released it on a Friday night. So it wouldn't get much attention over the weekend." I thought it was painfully damning to Trooper Martin.
EMT White was absolutely correct to interject himself because the EMT, not the driver, and certainly not the trooper, is responsible for the patient. I don't understand how you, Squirrel, be so casual in tossing off the importance of White's responsibility. If it was my mother in the back of that ambulance, I would be extremely grateful to have an EMT who is willing to go to bat for her well being.
In either case, the trooper should have pushed the pause button on the entire incident as soon as he heard that they were transporting. Martin's annoyance with being delayed by two seconds is utterly and one hundred percent meaningless compared to the well being of the patient. After all, safeguarding public safety IS the primary responsibility of all first responders — not just EMTs. Think of how this would have been so, so, so, so, so, so, much worse if White had simply submitted to Martin's arrest threat. Who would have taken care of the patient then? Martin? The driver? The fact that Martin even seriously attempted to affect an arrest under those circumstances proves that he was not thinking rationally.
After watching both videos, I actually agree with the Okfuskee DA's letter. Martin was out of line but I think the best thing for Oklahoma would be for Martin to apologize and for White to very graciously accept the apology and say, "That's okay, I could have acted better, too." Then shake hands and go get a beer together.
As far as the swarming family? Again, if it was my mother, I would have damn well been swarming.
EMT White was absolutely correct to interject himself because the EMT, not the driver, and certainly not the trooper, is responsible for the patient. I don't understand how you, Squirrel, be so casual in tossing off the importance of White's responsibility. If it was my mother in the back of that ambulance, I would be extremely grateful to have an EMT who is willing to go to bat for her well being.
In either case, the trooper should have pushed the pause button on the entire incident as soon as he heard that they were transporting. Martin's annoyance with being delayed by two seconds is utterly and one hundred percent meaningless compared to the well being of the patient. After all, safeguarding public safety IS the primary responsibility of all first responders — not just EMTs. Think of how this would have been so, so, so, so, so, so, much worse if White had simply submitted to Martin's arrest threat. Who would have taken care of the patient then? Martin? The driver? The fact that Martin even seriously attempted to affect an arrest under those circumstances proves that he was not thinking rationally.
After watching both videos, I actually agree with the Okfuskee DA's letter. Martin was out of line but I think the best thing for Oklahoma would be for Martin to apologize and for White to very graciously accept the apology and say, "That's okay, I could have acted better, too." Then shake hands and go get a beer together.
As far as the swarming family? Again, if it was my mother, I would have damn well been swarming.
Chaos703
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ScanMan, Since you come from the land of the nations REAL "complete power mongering douche bags," why don't you deal with them and let us bad mouth our own troopers.
While I agree that Trooper Martin was out of line, I'm more apt to believe he was just having a bad day than that proclaim him to be a complete power mongering douche bag. After all, the man is fresh off a tour in Iraq. I'm sure, still trying to adjust. It's not like he Tazered a 72 year old grandmother.
While I agree that Trooper Martin was out of line, I'm more apt to believe he was just having a bad day than that proclaim him to be a complete power mongering douche bag. After all, the man is fresh off a tour in Iraq. I'm sure, still trying to adjust. It's not like he Tazered a 72 year old grandmother.
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Let me start by putting out a little disclaimer; I'm not related to Trooper Martin, or employed by the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. However I am a Trooper in an adjoining state who has worked with a few Oklahoma Troopers.
Now that all the facts are out, (not just the 3 minute edited version of the patient's son cell phone camera), it is obvious the Trooper did nothing wrong. The paramedic should and needs to be charged with obstruction.
Unfortunately there are a few here who have nothing better to do then bash the Trooper and excuse the behavior of the law-breaking paramedic. Although I think it could have been handled differently, i.e...following the ambulance to the hospital and making the arrest there.......the paramedic blatantly obstructed the Trooper by refusing to re-enter the ambulance. Further, as has been posted previously here, did the paramedic not abandon his patient when he chose to engage in an argument with the Trooper?? Nobody is talking about that though.....
Trooper Martin has risked his life by serving our country in Iraq and continues to risk his life serving the citizens of Oklahoma. Its a shame that this man has to endure the media knocking on his front door in the privacy of his own home. When was the last time FOX news knocked on the door of your local criminal and asked him a bunch of questions about his actions?? How about never.
I would expect folks here would be a little more supportive of Trooper Martin, since listening to what he does for living is obviously a hobby of many here. Its easy to sit down next to a scanner and second guess decisions we have to make in split seconds......but I guess that’s why your still sitting there listening to scanners and we are out there risking our lives.
For those of you who support Trooper martin and the rest of us out there……Thanks you.
Now that all the facts are out, (not just the 3 minute edited version of the patient's son cell phone camera), it is obvious the Trooper did nothing wrong. The paramedic should and needs to be charged with obstruction.
Unfortunately there are a few here who have nothing better to do then bash the Trooper and excuse the behavior of the law-breaking paramedic. Although I think it could have been handled differently, i.e...following the ambulance to the hospital and making the arrest there.......the paramedic blatantly obstructed the Trooper by refusing to re-enter the ambulance. Further, as has been posted previously here, did the paramedic not abandon his patient when he chose to engage in an argument with the Trooper?? Nobody is talking about that though.....
Trooper Martin has risked his life by serving our country in Iraq and continues to risk his life serving the citizens of Oklahoma. Its a shame that this man has to endure the media knocking on his front door in the privacy of his own home. When was the last time FOX news knocked on the door of your local criminal and asked him a bunch of questions about his actions?? How about never.
I would expect folks here would be a little more supportive of Trooper Martin, since listening to what he does for living is obviously a hobby of many here. Its easy to sit down next to a scanner and second guess decisions we have to make in split seconds......but I guess that’s why your still sitting there listening to scanners and we are out there risking our lives.
For those of you who support Trooper martin and the rest of us out there……Thanks you.
tglendye
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I've been surprised by some of these threads as well. There seems to be quite a few people who have "problems" with public safety that apparently enjoy listening to scanners as a hobby.
I have watched the Youtube video, read a couple of news footage articles and skimmed this thread. I don't have all of the facts (I doubt anyone else here does, either) but from the way I am interrupting things this must have been a low priority transport since lights/ sirens were not activated. People are saying the trooper should have made the stop at the hospital... how could he have known in the 1st place there was a patient in the back if the ambulance was not using lights or sirens?
I think the law enforcement side could have been handled better however, given the response they received when they made contact with the crew and family, it would have been difficult for a graceful exit. I doubt the finger was actually thrown... but the trooper could definatley perceived that action.
In my opinion this incident is embarrassing for both agencies involved, but it was prolonged by the paramedic in the back as well as a family member with the cellphone recorder and asking pointed questions.
Todd
Did nothing wrong? You don't think it is wrong to delay the transporting of a sick or injured patient? The trooper even opened the back of the amulance to tell the patient that they would get her to the hospital in a few minutes and then proceeded to try to arrest the crew member! And you see nothing wrong!!!
The trooper was told in the first minute they had a patient, but he had his blinders on and was totally focused on throwing his weight around and causing grief for the crew.
A few years ago I was the treating paramedic on an inter-hospital transfer of a stroke patient. We were travelling with our emergency lights on an interstate highway in Ohio using our siren as needed. An OSP unit pulled us over. My partner (the driver) got out of the unit and began talking with the trooper. After about a minute I opened the back door and asked the trooper if he was issuing a ticket. He said no and I then told him that he had to sign my run sheet that he was delaying the treatment and tranporting of my patient. He refused to do so and I told my partner we were leaving. We left the trooper standing at the side of the road. It turns out he expected us to tell all the other squads in the area to watch their speed while travelling the interstate.
I called the post supervisor and reported the incident. I told the supervisor that I don't think the Patrol wants the liability of stopping transporting EMS units and he agreed. The supervisor (the Post LT) told me he would find out what the troopers problem was. From the tone of his voice, I wouldn't have wanted to be that trooper. I also told the supervisor that in the future that we would not stop and that the trooper could meet us at the hospital. He was perfectly OK with us doing that.
My base got a follow-up phone call from the Patrol LT that there wouldn't be any furture problems with the EMS units being stopped.
Mike
I would like to be supportive, because, yes I listen to what goes on in my area. But he let this get way out of hand and like said a graceful exit couldn't be had once it go that far. I am amazed at how many family members swarmed the scene because in the video there wasn't anyone behind the ambulance for a ways as the Trooper approached it the first time. The Trooper then spent less than 15 seconds on the scene of the call he was responding too, then took out after the ambulance. Once he was informed that a patient was in the back, "OK I will meet you at the Hospital" should have been the response, not walking around the unit and poking his head inside telling the patient it will be a minute. It is obvious he was enraged before he ever made contact. We will probably never know the full extent of the story on both parts, but he puts OHP in a bad light and adds fuel to allow others to point the finger @ OHP as aggressive.
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