Old Dot and Star GMRS frequencies

[Kiwibru]

FRN was 0002167062. Last time I went to check on the license I could not get in to FCC Registration as the system was non-responsive and took over six hours to send a log in security code to login confirmation. I was going to see if I could re-establish the original license but have read of others trying and having mixed and expensive results. It was easier to just re-register for a new license which worked fine.

 

[nd5y]

look up the FRN on the License Archive search page.

ULS License Archive - Archive License Search

 

[ecps92]

FRN was 0002167062. Last time I went to check on the license I could not get in to FCC Registration as the system was non-responsive and took over six hours to send a log in security code to login confirmation. I was going to see if I could re-establish the original license but have read of others trying and having mixed and expensive results. It was easier to just re-register for a new license which worked fine.

WPOM462 is a full (expired) GMRS not a legacy Business/GMRS
IMHO Business GMRS have not been issued since Pre-90's (old KAA-KAF series)

 

[mmckenna]

FRN was 0002167062. Last time I went to check on the license I could not get in to FCC Registration as the system was non-responsive and took over six hours to send a log in security code to login confirmation.

https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/LicArchive/license.jsp;JSESSIONID_ARCHIVESEARCH=aASVfjDJIIbQS4HgTxNf2yHk9HhCNmFdF_wpByMPRA5XNtLADDeU!292712693!-552492322?archive=Y&licKey=62897

So, as I thought, you had a GMRS license. The GMRS license never covered those business frequencies.

So, good to get rid of those old radios and get GMRS radios. That'll make things easier and legal. Also, adding more radios will be simple, as will talking to others, if you ever decide to.

Congratulations on getting your license again. There's a lot of good options for both portable and mobile radios now.

 

[Kiwibru]

All a bit confusing now that I have gone through all of these inquiries and spent countless hours trying to digest how I ended up with a GMRS license in 2000 for ZA radio service and the radios utilized those frequencies that are not listed these days as GMRS. During all of those years I never once heard anyone else on any of those channels. Guess that is because we live in a very geographically challenged and remote area.
Slowly setting up the new system using Wouxon and Midland hardware. Finally got the old antenna mast that served a TV antenna retrofitted with a new mast and Comet antenna on the farm house, just waiting for the weather to dry out so I can climb back up the ladder and get the final coax and lightning arrestor connected to the house ground system.
Certainly glad to get beyond this. Again my thanks.

 

[mike619]

You can use the former business frequencies FRS 16/GMRS - White Dot , FRS 18/GMRS - Black Dot and FRS 20/GMRS - Orange Dot that are now part of the GMRS frequencies for business use without a license at 2 watts just not for personal communications that would require the license also the license would be needed if you want to use a repeater on them.

There are some schools in my area doing that with the GMRS frequencies I mentioned.

 

[mmckenna]

You can use the former business frequencies FRS 16/GMRS - White Dot , FRS 18/GMRS - Black Dot and FRS 20/GMRS - Orange Dot that are now part of the GMRS frequencies for business use without a license at 2 watts just not for personal communications that would require the license also the license would be needed if you want to use a repeater on them.

Only if:
The business had an existing and valid FCC issued license for those frequencies.
The business didn't violate any of the parameters of the existing license.
The license was renewed and hasn't lapsed.

There are some schools in my area doing that with the GMRS frequencies I mentioned.

We still have 2 or 3 GMRS pairs licensed, and the license is still renewed every time it comes up. By FCC rules, I could still run on those frequencies for business use. There was a local towing company that had a GMRS license and ran their dispatch on a GMRS frequency repeater up until a few years ago. Man, did that piss off some of the local GMRS people….

 

[petnrdx]

Are there still Line A restrictions on the some of the GMRS frequencies?

 

[tweiss3]

Are there still Line A restrictions on the some of the GMRS frequencies?

No, I just reprinted my GMRS licenses, and the restriction is removed.

 

[Echo4Thirty]

Only if:
The business had an existing and valid FCC issued license for those frequencies.
The business didn't violate any of the parameters of the existing license.
The license was renewed and hasn't lapsed.



We still have 2 or 3 GMRS pairs licensed, and the license is still renewed every time it comes up. By FCC rules, I could still run on those frequencies for business use. There was a local towing company that had a GMRS license and ran their dispatch on a GMRS frequency repeater up until a few years ago. Man, did that piss off some of the local GMRS people….

Ill bet they were running around screaming that they were illegal and should be run off!

Try listening to 464.5/464.55 in Houston (or any large city). Its so overrun with folks it seems to be new unlicensed retail walkie talkie channel

 

[mmckenna]

Ill bet they were running around screaming that they were illegal and should be run off!

Exactly. A bunch of people that did not understand FCC rules. Eventually they migrated to cellular.
Still a lot of grandfathered licenses out there….

Try listening to 464.5/464.55 in Houston (or any large city). Its so overrun with folks it seems to be new unlicensed retail walkie talkie channel

It's like FRS for the most part. At least it is mostly low power. It gets pretty busy around us at times. A lot of construction crews and small businesses. Park in the right place, open the squelch, and it's like a pile up.

 

[Echo4Thirty]

Same with 154.57 and 154.6. Mostly Wal-Mart, but others as well. At least those are license by rule.

 

[nokones]

I think those two UHF itinerant freqs were the freqs used in those single channel SP10 Radius radios many decades ago. I believe those radios were 1 watt radios.

 

[Hans13]

Only if:
The business had an existing and valid FCC issued license for those frequencies.
The business didn't violate any of the parameters of the existing license.
The license was renewed and hasn't lapsed.



We still have 2 or 3 GMRS pairs licensed, and the license is still renewed every time it comes up. By FCC rules, I could still run on those frequencies for business use. There was a local towing company that had a GMRS license and ran their dispatch on a GMRS frequency repeater up until a few years ago. Man, did that piss off some of the local GMRS people….

However, I have not been able to find where the FCC gives grandfathered licenses any priority over GMRS or FRS. So, the situation is more likely to be far more frustrating to a business trying to use the pair than the GMRS/FRS community in general.

 

[mmckenna]

However, I have not been able to find where the FCC gives grandfathered licenses any priority over GMRS or FRS. So, the situation is more likely to be far more frustrating to a business trying to use the pair than the GMRS/FRS community in general.

Right, even with a grandfathered license, it's still a shared radio service.

 

[nokones]

However, I have not been able to find where the FCC gives grandfathered licenses any priority over GMRS or FRS. So, the situation is more likely to be far more frustrating to a business trying to use the pair than the GMRS/FRS community in general.

The FCC Rules and Regs regulate who has priority use over other users and that only pertains to emergencies as cited in Part 95.1731, permissible GMRS uses. The Grandfather License for GMRS is defined in Part 95.1703 and in Part 95.1705 allows the use of a grandfather license in accordance with the restrictions stated on the subject license.

I hope that this information helps you out.

 

[Hans13]

The FCC Rules and Regs regulate who has priority use over other users and that only pertains to emergencies as cited in Part 95.1731, permissible GMRS uses. The Grandfather License for GMRS is defined in Part 95.1703 and in Part 95.1705 allows the use of a grandfather license in accordance with the restrictions stated on the subject license.

I hope that this information helps you out.

I wasn't needed help but was merely pointing out the lack of priority. Thanks.

 

[nokones]

I wasn't needed help but was merely pointing out the lack of priority. Thanks.

Copy that, but I'm sure somebody will get some use out of it.

 

[Hans13]

Copy that, but I'm sure somebody will get some use out of it.

For sure. Thank you again.

 

[Coffeemug]

Crawling out of the GMRS cave from 2000 I was surprised to find the following frequencies listed for the Kenwood Pro Talk TK-3100 HT that we have used on and off since they were new with first license from way back then.
When I look at the current listing of GMRS frequencies these are all not there!
Can they still be used by the modern HT or base stations if programmed in for TX and RX? (i.e. the old Kenwoods can sync with the new hardware and be usable?)
I have searched countless links and there seems to be mixed information about this so thought this would be a good source for the low down from you folks. TIA

Red Dot	467.900	UHF
Blue Dot	467.925	UHF
Brown Dot	464.500 MHz	UHF
Yellow Dot	464.550 MHz	UHF
J Dot	467.7625 MHz	UHF
K Dot	467.8125 MHz	UHF
Silver Star	467.850 MHz	UHF
Gold Star	467.875 MHz	UHF
Red Star	467.900 MHz	UHF
Blue Star	467.925 MHz	UHF

What's wrong with this Frequency Allocation? You have frequencies listed twice labeled different. The Red Dot & Blue Dot are actually VHF frequencies, with Blue Dot is MURS Channel 4. Of course, there are three UHF frequencies missing here.
WHITE DOT 462.575 UHF
BLACK DOT 462.625 UHF
ORANGE DOT 462.675 UHF

I didn't mean to use Bold Print, but you have to review before posting. Before anyone calls me a knucklehead, I know a lot has changed over the years, and three frequencies weren't actually business band, But I sure don't fee like arguing back and forth, because I know I'm right. So, anyone who disagree with me. Do me a favor, please don't give me a thumbs down.