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Been long enough that the original thread got locked for inactivity, so this is a new thread to continue as new information has come to light.

In a random search tonight from my listening post in Frisco, I was able to pick up 3 control channels, where a few weeks ago there were none.

Site 85.85 NAC 05F is Downtown Dallas, current CC is 938.400
Site 97.97 NAC 06B is Grapevine, current CC is 935.425
Site 171.171 NAC 0B5 is Plano (Richardson on the EDACS system), current CC is 936.500

All 3 will be submitted soon to RRDB.
 

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Heard talk groups 404(testing) and 407 on the Grapevine site. Not enough to ID.
 

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I'm hearing 404 on the Plano site, as well.

Cleburne and Granbury are also on this particular set of licenses. I wonder if they're up, too.
 

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Just for fun, I did another search, and McKinney (what is labeled "Allen" on the EDACS system) is now active as site 15.15 NAC 019. (Already submitted to RRDB)

But the interesting thing is that this site, unlike the other sites, came with a fully populated neighbor list, giving us something to start looking for:

OncorNeighbors.png

So, I'll take some guesses based on the license data, and let others go hunting:

55.55 May by Bradford in Anderson County (WPMM286) or Cleburne in Johnson County (WNNS400)
203.203 May be Terrell in Kaufman County (WNZH952), Lufkin in Angelina County (WPIB887) or Weatherford in Parker County (WNNS396)
215.215 May be Lufkin in Angelina County (WPIB887) or Weatherford in Parker County (WNNS396)
223.223 May be Wills Point in Kaufman County (WPEK698)
 

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Allen tower was built many moons ago when Allen and McKinney were smaller (read tiny). At that time it was much closer to Allen than McKinney. Since the cities have maxed out their city limits to include all their designated ETJs, the tower is definitely in McKinney but still known as Allen tower (by us old guys). Yeah, weird. Either way works for me.
 
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So here's something interesting. So far, the site numbers are in alphabetical order (If Allen is used rather than McKinney). Just a thought.
 

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If the EDACS sites are gone when new P25 sites come online then please submit a change to the EDACS system to have the site removed or deprecated.
 

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If the EDACS sites are gone when new P25 sites come online then please submit a change to the EDACS system to have the site removed or deprecated.
I agree, but so far, I've seen the P25 only using a small number of the frequencies for testing, with the EDACS using the remaining at each site. The nature of the P25 system is that it seems to broadcast all of the channels as control channels, even when those channels are not active on the system yet (individual repeaters offline, but the provisioning for them is there).
 

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I agree, but so far, I've seen the P25 only using a small number of the frequencies for testing, with the EDACS using the remaining at each site. The nature of the P25 system is that it seems to broadcast all of the channels as control channels, even when those channels are not active on the system yet (individual repeaters offline, but the provisioning for them is there).
I didn't know the EDACS sites were still there.

North and west of me AEP is also replacing their 800 MHz EDACS with Harris P25. So far I haven't seen any sites running both.
 

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Apparently, there are many more sites online. Allen/McKinney site shows neighbors we don't have in the DB, yet (55, 203, 215, 223).
 

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Apparently, there are many more sites online. Allen/McKinney site shows neighbors we don't have in the DB, yet (55, 203, 215, 223).
Yep, I mentioned those being in the neighbor list back on the 1st of July. Subsequent looks at Fort Worth site doesn't show any of them as neighbors to it, so we still don't know where they are yet.
 

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Helpful for some, and of no use to others:

RRDB (of course you already know about this)

Oncor P25 Main RR Wiki Page

Oncor P25 RR Wiki Site Research Page

Oncor P25 Google Map

Before anyone gets in an uproar, yes I created the wiki page for site research (because nobody else had), and yes I'm in Ohio and have nothing to do with this system other than I like to see these large systems accurately depicted and I like to create Google Maps for the occasion.

The Wiki is editable by anyone. I would ask that anyone who knows of additional peers/neighbors that haven't been confirmed yet, please add them to the Site Research page on the wiki with the last known CC of that peer and use the same method I did for notating what needs confirmed. I can't control the wiki, but I'm hoping it will stay sensible (confirmed items listed as confirmed, and those needing confirmed listed as needing confirmed).

You'll also note my verbage in the wiki "apparently confirmed (in DB)" because I don't see any of the submissions and have no idea how confirmed the sites actually are, or how much guesswork was involved. I'm hoping that guesswork is left to the wiki and that absolutely confirmed site locations are what are submitted to the DB. But again, I have no control over that.

Just wanted to provide some tools so that people know what sites have been confirmed, what peers (and their last known control channels) have been seen, and look at map to help figure out what site makes the most sense (when multiple licenses have the same freq licensed at different sites).

Obviously, confirmed data should be submitted to the DB. But I'd also ask that if people get screenshots of Unitrunker or DSDPlus (or produce copies of DSDPlus.P25data files in a submission), that they also consider sharing that data on the forum so that the wiki / map can be kept up to date and so that those people in Texas who are out there sleuthing have tools at their disposal.

Thanks

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Two new sites verified today:

55.55 is Cleburne
215.215 is Weatherford

Already submitted to RRDB, and will update the Wiki accordingly.

EDIT: For those interested, here's my current DSDPlus.P25Data for this system:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Network: 91FE7.00A ; Oncor P25 Bandplan #0: Base=935.01250 Offset=-39 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Bandplan #8: Base=935.01250 Offset=-39 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2 Site: 15.15 NAC=019 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-49.49 ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-55.55 ; Cleburne Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-85.85 ; Dallas Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-87.87 ; Fort Worth Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-97.97 ; Grapevine Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-171.171 ; Plano Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-203.203 ; Terrell Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-215.215 ; Weatherford Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-223.223 Channel 0-36: 935.46250 CC Channel 0-38: 935.48750 SCC Channel 0-110: 936.38750 SCC Channel 0-195: 937.45000 SCC Channel 0-353: 939.42500 SCC Channel 0-355: 939.45000 SCC Channel 8-710: 939.45000-1 VOICE Site: 49.49 NAC=03B ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-15.15 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-55.55 ; Cleburne Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-85.85 ; Dallas Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-87.87 ; Fort Worth Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-97.97 ; Grapevine Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-171.171 ; Plano Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-203.203 ; Terrell Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-215.215 ; Weatherford Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-223.223 Channel 0-270: 938.38750 SCC Channel 0-272: 938.41250 CC SCC Channel 0-274: 938.43750 SCC Channel 0-276: 938.46250 CC SCC DATA Channel 8-552: 938.46250-1 VOICE Channel 0-278: 938.48750 SCC Channel 0-350: 939.38750 CC SCC Channel 0-352: 939.41250 SCC Channel 0-354: 939.43750 SCC Channel 0-355: 939.45000 SCC DATA Channel 8-710: 939.45000-1 VOICE Channel 0-356: 939.46250 SCC Channel 0-357: 939.47500 SCC DATA Channel 8-714: 939.47500-1 VOICE Channel 0-358: 939.48750 SCC Channel 0-359: 939.50000 SCC DATA Channel 8-718: 939.50000-1 VOICE Site: 55.55 NAC=145 ; Cleburne Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-15.15 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-49.49 ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-87.87 ; Fort Worth Channel 0-231: 937.90000 CC Channel 0-233: 937.92500 CC SCC Channel 0-239: 938.00000 SCC Site: 85.85 NAC=05F ; Dallas Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-15.15 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-49.49 ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-87.87 ; Fort Worth Channel 0-11: 935.15000 SCC DATA Channel 0-14: 935.18750 SCC Channel 0-199: 937.50000 CC SCC Channel 0-271: 938.40000 CC SCC Channel 0-273: 938.42500 CC SCC Channel 0-275: 938.45000 SCC Channel 0-277: 938.47500 SCC Channel 0-279: 938.50000 SCC Channel 0-314: 938.93750 SCC Channel 8-628: 938.93750-1 VOICE Channel 0-316: 938.96250 SCC Channel 0-317: 938.97500 SCC DATA Channel 0-351: 939.40000 SCC DATA Site: 87.87 NAC=061 ; Fort Worth Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-15.15 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-49.49 ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-55.55 ; Cleburne Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-85.85 ; Dallas Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-97.97 ; Grapevine Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-171.171 ; Plano Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-203.203 ; Terrell Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-215.215 ; Weatherford Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-223.223 Channel 0-230: 937.88750 CC SCC Channel 0-232: 937.91250 SCC Channel 0-234: 937.93750 SCC Channel 0-236: 937.96250 SCC Channel 0-238: 937.98750 SCC Channel 0-315: 938.95000 SCC Channel 0-319: 939.00000 CC SCC Channel 0-391: 939.90000 SCC Channel 0-392: 939.91250 SCC Channel 0-393: 939.92500 SCC DATA Channel 0-394: 939.93750 CC SCC Site: 97.97 NAC=019 ; Grapevine Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-15.15 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-49.49 ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-87.87 ; Fort Worth Channel 0-31: 935.40000 SCC Channel 0-33: 935.42500 CC SCC Channel 0-35: 935.45000 SCC Channel 0-37: 935.47500 CC SCC Channel 0-39: 935.50000 SCC Channel 0-111: 936.40000 SCC Channel 0-311: 938.90000 SCC Channel 0-312: 938.91250 SCC Site: 171.171 NAC=0B5 ; Plano Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-15.15 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-49.49 ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-87.87 ; Fort Worth Channel 0-72: 935.91250 SCC Channel 0-112: 936.41250 CC SCC Channel 0-114: 936.43750 SCC Channel 0-116: 936.46250 SCC Channel 0-119: 936.50000 CC SCC Channel 0-156: 936.96250 CC SCC Channel 0-192: 937.41250 SCC Channel 0-193: 937.42500 SCC Channel 0-197: 937.47500 SCC Channel 0-270: 938.38750 SCC Channel 0-395: 939.95000 SCC Site: 203.203 ; Terrell Channel 0-318: 938.98750 CC Site: 215.215 NAC=0E1 ; Weatherford Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-15.15 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-49.49 ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-87.87 ; Fort Worth Channel 0-118: 936.48750 SCC Channel 0-313: 938.92500 SCC DATA Channel 0-318: 938.98750 SCC DATA Channel 0-390: 939.88750 CC Site: 223.223 Channel 0-31: 935.40000 CC Channel 0-33: 935.42500 CC --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
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223 Wills Point ?
That's what I'm thinking. I originally had planned a road trip out that way to prove my hunch last weekend as well as get a complete picture of the Terrell site, but the grease monkey I paid to change the oil in my vehicle popped a tire pulling it up on the lift, so I was on the doughnut until Monday when they got the tire fixed (and I didn't think it would be good to do 200 miles on the doughnut).

I'm currently planning to re-attempt the road trip next weekend (the Fort Worth trip today was planned several weeks ago for something other than this, so I was able to pull off validating the two I got today)
 

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Two new sites verified today:

55.55 is Cleburne
215.215 is Weatherford

Already submitted to RRDB, and will update the Wiki accordingly.

EDIT: For those interested, here's my current DSDPlus.P25Data for this system:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Network: 91FE7.00A ; Oncor P25 Bandplan #0: Base=935.01250 Offset=-39 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Bandplan #8: Base=935.01250 Offset=-39 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2 Site: 15.15 NAC=019 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-49.49 ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-55.55 ; Cleburne Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-85.85 ; Dallas Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-87.87 ; Fort Worth Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-97.97 ; Grapevine Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-171.171 ; Plano Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-203.203 ; Terrell Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-215.215 ; Weatherford Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-223.223 Channel 0-36: 935.46250 CC Channel 0-38: 935.48750 SCC Channel 0-110: 936.38750 SCC Channel 0-195: 937.45000 SCC Channel 0-353: 939.42500 SCC Channel 0-355: 939.45000 SCC Channel 8-710: 939.45000-1 VOICE Site: 49.49 NAC=03B ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-15.15 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-55.55 ; Cleburne Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-85.85 ; Dallas Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-87.87 ; Fort Worth Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-97.97 ; Grapevine Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-171.171 ; Plano Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-203.203 ; Terrell Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-215.215 ; Weatherford Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-223.223 Channel 0-270: 938.38750 SCC Channel 0-272: 938.41250 CC SCC Channel 0-274: 938.43750 SCC Channel 0-276: 938.46250 CC SCC DATA Channel 8-552: 938.46250-1 VOICE Channel 0-278: 938.48750 SCC Channel 0-350: 939.38750 CC SCC Channel 0-352: 939.41250 SCC Channel 0-354: 939.43750 SCC Channel 0-355: 939.45000 SCC DATA Channel 8-710: 939.45000-1 VOICE Channel 0-356: 939.46250 SCC Channel 0-357: 939.47500 SCC DATA Channel 8-714: 939.47500-1 VOICE Channel 0-358: 939.48750 SCC Channel 0-359: 939.50000 SCC DATA Channel 8-718: 939.50000-1 VOICE Site: 55.55 NAC=145 ; Cleburne Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-15.15 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-49.49 ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-87.87 ; Fort Worth Channel 0-231: 937.90000 CC Channel 0-233: 937.92500 CC SCC Channel 0-239: 938.00000 SCC Site: 85.85 NAC=05F ; Dallas Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-15.15 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-49.49 ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-87.87 ; Fort Worth Channel 0-11: 935.15000 SCC DATA Channel 0-14: 935.18750 SCC Channel 0-199: 937.50000 CC SCC Channel 0-271: 938.40000 CC SCC Channel 0-273: 938.42500 CC SCC Channel 0-275: 938.45000 SCC Channel 0-277: 938.47500 SCC Channel 0-279: 938.50000 SCC Channel 0-314: 938.93750 SCC Channel 8-628: 938.93750-1 VOICE Channel 0-316: 938.96250 SCC Channel 0-317: 938.97500 SCC DATA Channel 0-351: 939.40000 SCC DATA Site: 87.87 NAC=061 ; Fort Worth Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-15.15 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-49.49 ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-55.55 ; Cleburne Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-85.85 ; Dallas Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-97.97 ; Grapevine Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-171.171 ; Plano Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-203.203 ; Terrell Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-215.215 ; Weatherford Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-223.223 Channel 0-230: 937.88750 CC SCC Channel 0-232: 937.91250 SCC Channel 0-234: 937.93750 SCC Channel 0-236: 937.96250 SCC Channel 0-238: 937.98750 SCC Channel 0-315: 938.95000 SCC Channel 0-319: 939.00000 CC SCC Channel 0-391: 939.90000 SCC Channel 0-392: 939.91250 SCC Channel 0-393: 939.92500 SCC DATA Channel 0-394: 939.93750 CC SCC Site: 97.97 NAC=019 ; Grapevine Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-15.15 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-49.49 ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-87.87 ; Fort Worth Channel 0-31: 935.40000 SCC Channel 0-33: 935.42500 CC SCC Channel 0-35: 935.45000 SCC Channel 0-37: 935.47500 CC SCC Channel 0-39: 935.50000 SCC Channel 0-111: 936.40000 SCC Channel 0-311: 938.90000 SCC Channel 0-312: 938.91250 SCC Site: 171.171 NAC=0B5 ; Plano Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-15.15 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-49.49 ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-87.87 ; Fort Worth Channel 0-72: 935.91250 SCC Channel 0-112: 936.41250 CC SCC Channel 0-114: 936.43750 SCC Channel 0-116: 936.46250 SCC Channel 0-119: 936.50000 CC SCC Channel 0-156: 936.96250 CC SCC Channel 0-192: 937.41250 SCC Channel 0-193: 937.42500 SCC Channel 0-197: 937.47500 SCC Channel 0-270: 938.38750 SCC Channel 0-395: 939.95000 SCC Site: 203.203 ; Terrell Channel 0-318: 938.98750 CC Site: 215.215 NAC=0E1 ; Weatherford Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-15.15 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-49.49 ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-87.87 ; Fort Worth Channel 0-118: 936.48750 SCC Channel 0-313: 938.92500 SCC DATA Channel 0-318: 938.98750 SCC DATA Channel 0-390: 939.88750 CC Site: 223.223 Channel 0-31: 935.40000 CC Channel 0-33: 935.42500 CC --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

LOL. Love the "spoiler"!
 

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Got back from my road trip, was able to validate the Terrell site, as well as confirm that 223.223 is indeed Wills Point. Update already submitted to RRDB.

Site: 203.203 NAC=0D5 ; Terrell Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-15.15 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-49.49 ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-87.87 ; Fort Worth Channel 0-310: 938.88750 SCC Channel 0-311: 938.90000 SCC Channel 0-313: 938.92500 SCC Channel 0-318: 938.98750 CC Site: 223.223 NAC=0E9 ; Wills Point Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-15.15 ; McKinney Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-49.49 ; Cedar Hill Neighbor: 91FE7.00A-87.87 ; Fort Worth Channel 0-31: 935.40000 CC SCC Channel 0-33: 935.42500 CC Channel 0-35: 935.45000 SCC
 
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