I believe the TG’s are correct it’s just the trunking part that’s in doubt.
Oneida County DMR
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I agree the talk groups are correct on the JPJ DMR with the addition of 30 that is the Masonic Home medical transport. The taxi are encrypted but the rest are busy each day, we just have to figure out how to setup the download 🤔
I need to know what TGs are heard on each of the 3 system frequencies and are they on a fixed or variable slot. Are 451.850 and 454.575 also showing as DMR (HYT) BS DCC:1? The present listing was based on speculation and 3rd party info and is apparently incorrect so I am going to delete it.
The frequencies were apparently part of a JPJ MPT system prior to 2018. A submission stated they had been converted to digital and speculated they were HYT XPT since that is what JPJ uses. Later submissions raised the possibility they were stand alone repeaters. A rejected submission conflated this with the existing JPJ MPT system stating 451.025 was the control channel for these frequencies.
So we need to start over and do a proper analysis of how these frequencies and TGs are actually operating.
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I have placed JPJ Communications (DMR) in Deprecated status where it no longer appears in the RRDB or automatic downloads. It can still be viewed at:
It appears from currently available information that 452.000 is stand alone conventional DMR so that is how each user TG should be programmed until confirmed details are available. The Utica 451.850 and Oneida 454.575 may be either "DMR Conventional Networked Trunked" or stand alone Conventional DMR unless they are confirmed to actually be Hytera XPT.
I need detailed observations, including technical analysis from DSD+ or similar, to update the RRDB with current correct information.
The many "Flavors" of DMR now in use present many issues for scanner programming that RRDB has to consider to provide proper download information. When programming a scanner for an undocumented system it is best to start with DMR Conventional entries for each frequency and "Search" or "Wildcard" parameters.
JPJ Communications (DMR) Trunking System, Regional, New York
JPJ Communications (DMR) Trunking System Profile
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I need detailed observations, including technical analysis from DSD+ or similar, to update the RRDB with current correct information.
The many "Flavors" of DMR now in use present many issues for scanner programming that RRDB has to consider to provide proper download information. When programming a scanner for an undocumented system it is best to start with DMR Conventional entries for each frequency and "Search" or "Wildcard" parameters.
KD2DXF
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I can confirm the Ace Taxi is no longer. they went out of business in 2019ish. CNY Cab went out of business in 2021ish. only taxi company operating in utica is "around the clock cab" im not sure they're using radios. last i knew it was zello.
I am not surprised. Most of the submitted TGs were from 2018. One more reason I want to start the new listings with current actual observations.
Taxi companies have been dropping like flies around the state, and many of the remaining ones have switched to proprietary (and sometimes encrypted) digital dispatch networks.
KD2DXF
Nobody
the original systems taxis used were a full duplex. dispatcher on one tg/freq, cars on another. radio shop told the companies that its state law, and needed to be that way. it was a disaster. 20+ cabs on the road and no one could hear each other. I stepped in and got the shop to get everyone on same tg/freq. worked great. but there were rival drivers who would have a scanner in their car and clip fares. Ace went with JPJ MPT system using voice scrambler. then to DMR Encrypted. Same with CNY. City cab was on edacs, but they went out of business a long time ago. Milbower (Yellow) Cab has been out for about 15-20 years, but they used a simplex vhf channel. A&D which covers the entire state uses a proprietary App for drivers phone. logs gps, speed, log in/out times, milage. very efficient system...as long as your in an area with cell coverage.
Based on confirmed info from several sources, it appears this is not a trunked system but is 3 conventional DMR frequencies.
452.000 is stand alone 100% TE DMR(HYT) and not XPT. 451.850 and 454.475 are not XPT but appear to be conventional DMR. DSD+ logging is being run to confirm the exact nature of the use.
I expect to generate conventional RRDB listings for each of the frequencies as soon as sufficient log info is obtained. I will notify on here when the new RRDB listings have been posted. Until that time please wait to submit any additions or corrected information for the new RRDB listings.
452.000 is stand alone 100% TE DMR(HYT) and not XPT. 451.850 and 454.475 are not XPT but appear to be conventional DMR. DSD+ logging is being run to confirm the exact nature of the use.
I expect to generate conventional RRDB listings for each of the frequencies as soon as sufficient log info is obtained. I will notify on here when the new RRDB listings have been posted. Until that time please wait to submit any additions or corrected information for the new RRDB listings.
Eh, that's not exactly true.
Their antennas are inside the building. When their repeaters were proposed and installed, there was no need for coverage outside the building. Their yard trucks are equipped with cell-based PTT "radios", or, possibly more accurately, "were" equipped back then. That may have changed.
Any coverage outside the building is a bonus. However, their portables do work from as far away as the higher elevation section of the Thruway between Ilion & Frankfort, which is about 1.5ish miles away. In town is another story with obstructions as you go lower in elevation.
I put three receivers on the JPJ DMR frequencies today with the following results:
Utica
452.000 DMR (HYT), TG19 TE, TG50
451.850 DMR, TG20, TG26, TG30
Oneida
454.575 DMR (HYT), TG19 TE, TG50
The Oneida site on 454.575 appears to be the same content as the Utica 452.000 frequency. From my location, the Oneida site on 454.575 is a much stronger signal. TG19 is encrypted. TG20, TG26, and TG50 are all in the clear. I have numerous logged transmissions of TG30, but nothing recorded during the day. I'll have to check to see if TG30 is encrypted.
I'll leave the receivers on again tomorrow and check them at the end of the day.
Utica
452.000 DMR (HYT), TG19 TE, TG50
451.850 DMR, TG20, TG26, TG30
Oneida
454.575 DMR (HYT), TG19 TE, TG50
The Oneida site on 454.575 appears to be the same content as the Utica 452.000 frequency. From my location, the Oneida site on 454.575 is a much stronger signal. TG19 is encrypted. TG20, TG26, and TG50 are all in the clear. I have numerous logged transmissions of TG30, but nothing recorded during the day. I'll have to check to see if TG30 is encrypted.
I'll leave the receivers on again tomorrow and check them at the end of the day.
The plot thickens. So it looks like 452.000 and 454.575 might be some sort of Hytera version of IP Site Connect. Not necessarily trunking, but rather a networked conventional pair of repeaters.
That is interesting and why I was waiting to see how the 3 frequencies were related. RRDB considers a multi-site linked conventional system to be listed in the Trunked category as "Conventional Networked" so that is what I will do with 452.000/454.575 and I will see what else turn up before I work on 451.850.
KD2DXF
Nobody
Yes antennas are inside, yard trucks do have radios, I was the one who installed them. 2 yard trucks usually a shift, one for shipping and one for receiving. And will operate on the respective talk group. Sometimes you will hear e-commerce, but department is so small, they can yell across the belt and hear each other.
I have reinstated the listing for JPJ Communications (DMR) eliminating 451.850 and changing the type to "DMR Conventional Networked"
I will work on re-listing the 451.850 and associated TGs as individual Conventional DMR businesses tomorrow.
I will work on re-listing the 451.850 and associated TGs as individual Conventional DMR businesses tomorrow.
I have added 451.850 TGs 15, 20, 26 & 30 to Oneida County Conventional Business:
Please submit any additional TGs with confirmed & positively identified users you have actually currently observed active on this frequency to RRDB Oneida County Businesses.
Businesses (Oneida County) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference
Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference for Businesses (Oneida County)
www.radioreference.com
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