Orange County NY 911

[mrosen922]

"Permits all of our County’s 1st responders to communicate with 1st responders from Rockland, Ulster, Sullivan, Dutchess, Putnam and Westchester Counties"

How is that?, is the county going to use a gateway to communicate with the other counties because of right now the only county within Hudson Valley besides Rockland that has even made any initiatives for a 700 mhz system is Orange so how is it gonna work with interoperability with the other counties with the new system unless they are talking about a gate way to other counties frequencies.

Also it's ironic that they put in Hudson Valley Interoperable Communications Consortium which is a state initiative which the state is doing for other regional areas as well so they can build there statewide radio network after there failed Statewide Opensky Radio Network.

 

[cackis]

I personally think OC911 does an outstanding job on dispatching. Occasionally you get some that can be snotty to you over the radio but it also depends on how the operator in the field is as well to the dispatcher. The only gripe I have is that you have some towns that have there own self dispatch some do police, fire and ems. If a town is doing there own dispatch and for me as an operator to have to switch from 200 charlie to oc911 channels to inform them of my enroute, on scene, depart, destination and when we're in service is ridiculous and as well on top of that to contact your commercial agency dispatch as well is beyond a pain in the butt. It's a safety hazard as well especially driving and have to switch the channels. I think if a town does there own dispatch then forget about contacting OC911, town dispatcher has the capability to contact 911 via CAD so let them tell county what we're doing. That is my only gripe with the way OC911 works, if the town wants to do there own dispatch then there is no need to duplicate services and have to inform OC911.


The 700 mhz P25 Phase 2 there going to is pretty much what the whole country is going to. I think it's a good system and secure.

From a source who had been attended the meetings about the system that OC is only giving out so many radios and then it's up to the agencies to purchase the rest. Are you serious?, if your going to make all agencies switch over to the new system you would think it's the counties responsibility to pay out for the radios not the separate agencies. Also you have many agencies who have preferences over what radio brands they like and use but apparently your only allowed to use Motorola Subscriber radios. Why can't agencies use what they like but allow the system administrator program them to allow them access the system. I'm sorry but there are radios out there that are half the price of Motorola and will do just as good or better in the field then Motorola.

From the looks of just allowing Motorola subcriber radios it might seem as Motorola or the County is pulling the embedding proprietary features into the system so only Motorola is locked in so other agencies cannot use vendors of there choice. Pretty much sounds like what Motorola is being investigated for back in summer of 2014 House Democrats seek watchdog probe of Motorola , kinda thought they were gonna go just with Motorola when they had gotten MCC 7500 ip dispatch console installed at the 911 center. From a source that the only reason they got those consoles because it would work with the new digital system, I wonder if they ever looked into Avtec which is really nice, Nassau County uses them on there digital system, you also have zetron, catalyst, cisco, telex that all have digital ip based consoles.

Why is it now that they are looking into simulcast paging when they could have gotten it done years ago and would have solved the issues from the past with the paging.

Not sure who you talked to but the county is providing agencies with an adequate number of radios. Remember on the fire side the new system is not replacing the current UHF fireground plan so not every firefighter needs a 7/800 radio. EMS is getting a portable for every active riding member. Departments that wish to purchase additional radios can purchase another manufactures radio if they wish as long as its Phase 2 capable. Some proprietary features may not be available on these radios but they will work on the system. Simulcast paging wasn't done years ago because the current microwave system lacks the needed bandwith.

 

[cackis]

"Permits all of our County’s 1st responders to communicate with 1st responders from Rockland, Ulster, Sullivan, Dutchess, Putnam and Westchester Counties"

How is that?, is the county going to use a gateway to communicate with the other counties because of right now the only county within Hudson Valley besides Rockland that has even made any initiatives for a 700 mhz system is Orange so how is it gonna work with interoperability with the other counties with the new system unless they are talking about a gate way to other counties frequencies.

Also it's ironic that they put in Hudson Valley Interoperable Communications Consortium which is a state initiative which the state is doing for other regional areas as well so they can build there statewide radio network after there failed Statewide Opensky Radio Network.

Through the National Interop channels. All of this info was presented at the meeting 2 weeks ago.

 

[sc800]

You mean the national interop channels that have existed forever? Why do they need a new system to do that?

We already have

POLICE:
155.370
155.475

EMS:
155.220
155.280
155.715

Fire:

Lowband County to County channel, used everyday by OC911

Plus all of the V, U, 8 calls and tacs. How many more interop channels are really needed? I think better coordination will work better than throwing all of these technological 'solutions' at the problem

 

[cackis]

Communications with the surrounding counties that aren't 7/800 will be on V Call, U Call and 8 Call, National Interop Channels.

 

[APX8000]

Hmmm....VCALL10 is simplex. Who has repeaters up on the U/7/800 calling channels in those counties ?

As mentioned by sc8, every PD base has NY LAW 1 in the console. I don't know of many that have VCALL10. Every EMS agency has the Statewide
MCI freq. I believe all the county fire control dispatch centers have 45.88 low band. This is not going to provide or improve interop...users with proper training will improve interop. Not to mention if they follow ICS, they would be standing next to each other in the command post at a major incident.


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[APX8000]

I do have to mention that getting everyone on the same freq within the County is something I personally support. By creating "OPS" or "TACS" or whatever you want to call it, you can get everyone on the same talkgroup for multi-agency coordination. Think of a lost hiker on Schunnemunk Mountain. PD, FD, EMS....Orange 911 says "all units operate on OPS 2" which every agency will have. That will improve things. The current system, and I'll use Town of Wallkill as an example....active shooter...units out of the car on portable...Wallkill on UHF, NYSP on VHF, SO on 800. That's not safe.


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[captncarp]

Hope all those radios on one Chan. have ToT's because some are going to have open mike's.

 

[APX8000]

I'm sure the system admin will incorporate that into the programming. Normally it's 60 seconds.


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[mrosen922]

Not sure who you talked to but the county is providing agencies with an adequate number of radios. Remember on the fire side the new system is not replacing the current UHF fireground plan so not every firefighter needs a 7/800 radio. EMS is getting a portable for every active riding member. Departments that wish to purchase additional radios can purchase another manufactures radio if they wish as long as its Phase 2 capable. Some proprietary features may not be available on these radios but they will work on the system. Simulcast paging wasn't done years ago because the current microwave system lacks the needed bandwith.

Thanks cackis for the information which definitely the person I spoke to who went to the meeting lacked of, they are also a assistant chiefs of an OC ambulance corps.., so thank you for clearing some information up and saw the bidding specs of the system and it did mention that in the contract they are allowed to use other vendors as what you said. I understand that the county will be giving adequate radios to all agencies but what happens when said ambulance corps. gets more members and they don't have any county radios to give out then I suppose it falls on the ambulance corps. to purchase radios themselves?.

Are the ambulance corps.'s getting the APX7000's or the 6000's? Just curious due to the fact that ems will be paged on VHF and I know the 6000's are only single band radios.

Also any info if they will be doing fire paging over the new system like Rockland does?. I know Rockland has UHF paging but they also have a talkgroup that does fire paging as well especially seeing as Unication just came out with the G4 series pager that does P25 digital.

 

[APX8000]

That pager will not do "trunked" talkgroups. G5 I believe will though.


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[APX8000]

I stand corrected. PDF says it will.


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[mrosen922]

That pager will not do "trunked" talkgroups. G5 I believe will though.


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The current G4 units that are being shipped out now are part of Release 1 that only have 700/800 band that can do P25 Conventional, Trunking and just Conventional, Release 2 in early 2016 they are shipping out with dual band vhf/700-800 or uhf/700-800 that also will do all the above. G4 is programmed with site/zone control channel(s) and as well as talkgroup id's, the talkgroups are forced to critical sites. Pager does not need to be registered or affiliated to critical site/zones. Dual band VHF/UHF 2 tone is being released sometime quarter 1 2016 which from the talk is the G5.

 

[KC2GSP]

I don't know whats to blame for the loss in communication when it comes to 911 popping in calls to the local agency CAD systems. There is usually a lot of important information missing such as call back numbers, caller name, basic narrative info. Regarding the radio system layout, it's an absolute mess and I hope this new system they'll eventually goto will clear the gaps up.

 

[sc800]

Having also worked for a municipal PD dispatch in Orange, I can say that is a mix of two issues.

1. Uncooperative callers (or callers who don't have all of the information)

2. Not all of the issues with 911 personnel have been fixed.

 

[APX8000]

Did 911 stop polling calls ? I was told today they are now transferring to the Towns. This source is not
that reliable and I never heard anything regarding a policy change...just wanted to know what others were hearing on the air.


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[cackis]

No and just before I left the area this afternoon they were polling a call in Wallkill.

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[APX8000]

Ok thanks


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[sc800]

Signal-Zero:

I think the confusion over polling could come from the new CAD. They now have what are called 'ghost calls'. Basically, as soon as an address and call type is entered into CAD they 'pre-alert' the local department to get at least one unit started. Then once the full call is in, they poll it via AVL. They handled a panic alarm like that in Chester recently, putting it over MRD first, with only an address (not even a business name, but that is another story)

 

[APX8000]

Interesting. I'm guessing once everyone gets MDTs linked to the new CAD that pre-alert would coincide with AVL and the closet unit, not necessarily the town PD.


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