Orange County P25 Trunked System on the air.....

[GTR8000]

FCC Denies Orange County, N.Y., Requests for 800 MHz License

https://www.rrmediagroup.com/News/NewsDetails/newsID/17626

Actually all they did was deny a petition to stop a license from being terminated due to failing to build out the sites. Orange already has an active STA for the same sites/frequencies until January 23rd, and are in the process of receiving RPC approval for a permanent license. This really is a non-issue, made to sound worse than it is.

 

[trauma74]

I heard that they have been seriously behind on the build out of their sites due to some mis-management of the project

 

[DaveNF2G]

Their headline is not accurate. Orange County already had the license. FCC yanked it when they failed to build the system, and denied their Petition for Reconsideration of that decision.

 

[62Truck]

Their headline is not accurate. Orange County already had the license. FCC yanked it when they failed to build the system, and denied their Petition for Reconsideration of that decision.

See post 61...

 

[GTR8000]

Why let the truth get in the way of an attention grabbing, sensationalized headline?

Orange has its issues with getting this system on the air, having blown right by many of their own self-imposed timelines as well as FCC construction deadlines, however in this particular case that article is misleading.

 

[captncarp]

will this whole system be obsolete when it is finally finished? never mind the cost to taxpayers.

 

[GTR8000]

will this whole system be obsolete when it is finally finished? never mind the cost to taxpayers.

Obsolete? Hardly. There are new P25 Phase II systems being built out all the time. Port Authority is just now getting around to testing their system, which will replace the EDACS system. NYC DoITT is really just getting around to the slow rollout of their system, which will replace the old UHF and 800 Motorola 3600 systems.

There's still a solid 15-20 years minimum of service left in a system built out today.

 

[Ishmole]

Obsolete? Hardly. There are new P25 Phase II systems being built out all the time. Port Authority is just now getting around to testing their system, which will replace the EDACS system. NYC DoITT is really just getting around to the slow rollout of their system, which will replace the old UHF and 800 Motorola 3600 systems.

There's still a solid 15-20 years minimum of service left in a system built out today.

Exactly! But what is the problem with getting the system built? Is there a lack of money or personnel or factional rivalry? I ask this not to point fingers at anyone, I just want to know. I was on the committee at the beginning of planning of the Rockland system, but retired from LE before it's completion. I am sure Rockland had setbacks, but they were overcome. The folks involved in Rockland were both knowledgeable and dedicated and the results show in the systems operation. I am really curious.
I am not putting anyone down, just wondering.

 

[captncarp]

Orange ain't rockland

 

[Ishmole]

A tech question here. I noticed that the site in Montgomery is up. The data is now in the database with frequencies, and when I program it into my 536, I get 4 bars of strength.
However, I get "No Stored TGID" in the display. Is this group being scanned in the scanlist if there is a transmission?
I have ID Search checked in the programming.
Mike

 

[DaveNF2G]

I'd check the programming again. The "No Stored TGID" message should only appear in ID Scan mode if there are no talkgroups associated with the system in your scanner.

 

[Mbk127k]

Any new updates at all on the system?

 

[APX8000]

Yeah, the County is reporting to the FCC that the sites are built out [emoji849]

Make an educated guess based upon my emoji.


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[radioman2001]

The FCC don't come out an check, moot point.

 

[APEXNext]

Anyone knows when the 800 side of the system will go online?

 

[GTR8000]

Anyone knows when the 800 side of the system will go online?

The 800 MHz cell (aka "East" or "South") is not as straightforward as the 700 MHz cell, as all of the frequencies are currently in use at the Arden and Graham EDACS sites. That will require deliberate coordination in decommissioning one frequency at a time from the EDACS sites while migrating subscribers over to the P25 system.

My hunch is that at some point a control channel and one traffic channel will be enabled for testing purposes before the entire cell is operational. They must obviously test the coverage prior to system acceptance, and yet because those frequencies are actively used by the very same agencies that will eventually migrate to P25, it becomes a juggling act. Should be interesting.

 

[APX8000]

Since Schunnemunk EDACS covers pretty much what Arden does, I’d guess they would migrate those frequencies for the East cell.

Graham would be tough even though SP has VHF radios for primary. Mt Hope would be hard to cover from Schunnemunk and Sam’s Point. And for the Sheriffs guys, they’d be SOL out in Deer Park, Waywayanda, etc. Plus they don’t have that many frequencies available once they start pulling so they’ll get bonked.

Just my .02 but what do I know.

 

[CqDx]

-deleted - found my answer above

 

[KC2zZe]

As progress moves forward on the build-out of CoRNet's South sites, New York Communications Company has had to surrender back to Orange County one of the frequencies used at their EDACS Site 17.

Site 17's LCNs are now:
01 - 851.0750
02 - 851.3250
03 - 852.1000
04 - 860.0375 (currently the control channel)

I am not seeing any traffic steered to LCN 03. In order to maximize availability for the primary users of the site (the Woodbury and Harriman police departments), countywide talkgroups (SO 911, Priority, etc.) are no longer automatically simulcast over Site 17.

As a result of the new LCN line-up at Site 17, Site 08's LCN line-up is now:

01 - 856.1125
02 - 859.0375
03 - blank
04 - 857.1125 (currently the control channel)
05 - 858.6375

Countywide talkgroup radio traffic continues to be carried over Site 8, despite the loss of one of it's LCNs. Expect additional changes to take place throughout the system, as replacement frequencies get shifted toward Sites 17 and Site 16, as both are built around channels licenced to the County of Orange.

 

[GTR8000]

Site 17's LCNs are now:
01 - 851.0750
02 - 851.3250
03 - 852.1000
04 - 860.0375 (currently the control channel)

I am not seeing any traffic steered to LCN 03.

That's because 852.100 is being used as a traffic channel for the P25 South cell. So in fact the Arden site is down to one control channel and two traffic channels, with LCN 3 likely taken OOS.

PS - It would've been more effective if you had submitted this to the EDACS system in the database. Posting in the forums is fine for alerting other members, however it's not the preferred method of getting changes made to the database. I normally don't make changes to the database based on forum posts, however as I happen to be aware of these changes myself, and they are significant, I've updated the database.