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P25 to DMR Patch

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What would be the preferred method to patch an XPR mobile radio into an MCC7500 for Interop? Interested in both the full channel steering (if doable) and receiving emergency signals option, as well as just a static talkgroup that the dispatcher would be able to patch to any of our P25 talkgroups on the fly.

Main concern is audio quality more so than functionality, since it’s mostly just one DMR talkgroup that needs to be mapped. We’ve been considering CCG or some of the CTI stuff. I realize nothing will be that great since it’s going to get vocoded twice.

TIA
 
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I've listened to P25 double vocoded to DMR. It's not as terrible as you would think. Just make sure the radios are regularly PM'd, and that the audio levels are set correctly. Use a service monitor, NOT your ear.
 

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I've listened to P25 double vocoded to DMR. It's not as terrible as you would think. Just make sure the radios are regularly PM'd, and that the audio levels are set correctly. Use a service monitor, NOT your ear.
Thanks, was it just through a conventional channel gateway?
 

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I do this across 56 cities for my current employer. Bringing DMR XPR series Motorola audio into an Astro core via both Motorola Conventional Channel Gate-Way (CCGW) and Zetron 6300 series (6301 single link and 6302 dual link) IP interface devices. It has worked for a dozen years now, and as mentioned above, does not sound too bad audio wise. MotoTrbo mobiles are connected to the Zetron IP interface or CCGW, which then allows a console resource to be placed on the screen to transmit back to a site.

Our biggest issue is MDC1200 and aliasing, DMR has to go through the CCGW in analog mode to alias via Provisioning Manager, or have some conversion outside of our system core (via The Genesis Group GENSAC3 for Trbo converter). Another similar issue is I have been licensing and expanding TalkGroups that do not need to be analog (they do not need MDC1200/aliasing at the MCC7500 console) to digital. End users then complain that MDC1200 channels sound terrible compared to "other" (digital) channels.

FWIW, Motorola says none of this can be done, and I used to be an engineer at Zetron. This is what got me the job....and mission to expand the network across the nation, supporting private fire departments across the country, with a central dispatch location already in place using Motorola Astro infrastructure.

For the post about Telex IP224, prior to me being hired, Telex IP 223/224 interface devices were used, but Zetron was eventually chosen, as they can be configured via the network and web interface built into each 6300 interface. I had extensive experience with Telex/C-Soft/IP-1616/Bosch Communications before Zetron, and while they work, if changes need to be made to them, you will need some sort of network connection (RS-232 to Ethernet, SCADA interface, etc.) to connect to them for changes to be made. Or, be willing to travel to each site and connect to them for making changes. Having a web GUI interface on the network was beneficial, company saves money on travel to these 56 cities, and network can be remotely administrated. By the end of 2024, I add three more cities to the fold, and MCC7500 dispatch consoles.

Keep your network hops to less than 200 milliseconds and do not put security cameras that sense motion (also Internet traffic, VoIP phones, or anything else that sucks bandwidth) on the same VLAN as your radio traffic. Do not set Zetron/CCGW or related network hardware to auto-negotiate, give them dedicated bandwidth 100/Full/no negotiation!
 

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Sorry, should have noted, no channel steering is being used with the CCGW/Zetron and combining Astro and Trbo system.

I did that previously with Telex/C-Soft/Bosch Communications and IP-1616 consoles and Trbo XPR4550 mobiles though. Helped to have all channels in one "Zone" as we never got Zone changes to work right (Channel 16 or 1 would not roll over either). So we just made a "Zone" with 32 channels we needed and knew to arrow up or down as needed to change channels via C-Soft or the IP-1616 console.

Someone else may have been able to do that, but we did not bother to take the time to figure that out. Telex systems were on ships and mobile communications suites trucked around the country for emergency response.
 

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For the MCC7500 the Control Station interface is going to be your only option. But if you move up to an AXS Dispatch Console then I believe you can link to a Avtec VPGate that is Wireline to the MOTOTRBO infrastructure. No control stations needed :cool:

@PACNWDude -- Your Bosch/Telex experience is dated. While the IP-223s did often require a tech to open them and move jumpers around for certain configurations they did have a built-in micro-browser and they could be configured from the Telex System Manager (TSM) as well. The newer IP-224s have no jumpers so they are even more dynamic through their micro-broswer or TSM.

CSoft, IP-224, TSM, and the IP-3000 series Android-based Consoles are light years ahead of what your experience was.

@yaknamedjak - You should also look at the JPS INterop RSP solutions you might only need a Z2 adapter.
 

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Specifically to a MCC7550? The only way I know of currently would be via a MCG8000 or existing GGM8000 4-wire interface and using a TRA to channel steer the XPR. Don't believe you would get any emergency notification.
 

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Thank you all for the thorough and valuable input. Investigating IP-224, Zetron 6300, JPS Z2, and CCGW of course. Will report back on selection and results.

Does the IP-224 then require the ADHB-4?
 
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