Parsippany/Troy Hills P25 TRS

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Right, but by saying "old issue" I was just trying to politely but sarcastically infer it's dumb in my personal opinion. A system with no talkgroups should be available in the Uniden database, since with ID search enabled, you could find TG's.
Uniden made the conscious decision to have Sentinel ignore trunked systems that didn't tick all required boxes. No talkgroups was one such condition, as was the lack of LCN info for other system types where that's a thing. The reasoning was that there is no way to enable ID Search mode in the full database for the HP/x36/SDS scanners, and so they intentionally chose to keep things dumbed down. I recall Paul once explaining that they made that choice in order not to have people wondering why a particular system was found in Sentinel, but wouldn't scan anything. I know many times over the years it was requested to have the systems included so that they could be easily appended to a favorites list, which could have ID Search enabled, but obviously that never happened (and almost certainly never will).

In any event, it's a pretty simple process to create a favorites list, create a new system within that list, add a few control channels, and enable ID Search to start listening immediately. Once the talkgroups are populated in the Sentinel db on Monday, the entire system can be pulled down into that favorites list.

Many of us were doing this back in the day before we had scanners/receivers capable of computer programming, and we'd have to spend countless hours sitting on the couch programming everything one keystroke at a time directly into the scanner. That was tedious enough with a 100 channel scanner when all you had to do was enter frequencies, then along came 1000 channel scanners with alpha tags that had to be hand-programmed...a real mixed blessing! Kids these days are spoiled with automatic database pulls and 1 million entries instantly available on a microSD card!

Oh yeah and...get off my lawn!
 

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Oh yeah and...get off my lawn!

Listen here old man, I'll get off your lawn when my dog's done. :ROFLMAO:

Seriously though, I get it. Trust me, my first trunking scanner was a BC235XLT, and my very first scanner was a Bearcat 210XL. I know the joys of manual programming. I actually don't use the database in Sentinel, and I still create my own systems because I'm OCD about my alpha tag formats. And because when a new system appears, I like the ability to enter a dummy TG to be able to monitor it for new TGID's.

I see both sides of the argument, particularly with the eye-roll level that Paul has to deal with on a daily basis, without the additional headache phone calls that would cause to him. So, point taken. And I agree everyone is spoiled now days.

And sorry about your lawn... (shrug)
 
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Many of us were doing this back in the day before we had scanners/receivers capable of computer programming, and we'd have to spend countless hours sitting on the couch programming everything one keystroke at a time directly into the scanner. That was tedious enough with a 100 channel scanner when all you had to do was enter frequencies, then along came 1000 channel scanners with alpha tags that had to be hand-programmed...a real mixed blessing! Kids these days are spoiled with automatic database pulls and 1 million entries instantly available on a microSD card!

Oh yeah and...get off my lawn!
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Something satisfying about creating a system from scratch on any platform in minutes.

Of course importing large systems, freqs and TG are super too. For the new PTH system hand entry should only take a couple of minutes. Going to do that today and see what the signal is over this way.
 

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A decent signal for sure. In building about 20 miles to the S SE.

The closest system I can compare to is Randolf NJICS. A very similar signal from Parsippany.

NJICS -114 dBm Parsippany -118 dBm
 

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Hey everyone, I know I’m asking a lot of you guys, but if anyone happens to notice that database being updated (in regards of Parsippany) can you give me the heads up? I do get the email notifications in regards to this post, but I can’t always login to see the newest version of the database. Thanks guys.
 

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Hey everyone, I know I’m asking a lot of you guys, but if anyone happens to notice that database being updated (in regards of Parsippany) can you give me the heads up? I do get the email notifications in regards to this post, but I can’t always login to see the newest version of the database. Thanks guys.

Mondays usually around or after 12:00n is the safe time to check.
 

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A decent signal for sure. In building about 20 miles to the S SE.

The closest system I can compare to is Randolf NJICS. A very similar signal from Parsippany.

NJICS -114 dBm Parsippany -118 dBm

I get no reception at all on the West Orange/Montclair border. The mountain to my west is killing it.
 

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Cannot receive it in Pompton Plains on indoor antenna. Montville hill blocking signal here. Once in a while it will hold the control channel for a second or two but not long enough to be useful.
 

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Cannot receive it in Pompton Plains on indoor antenna. Montville hill blocking signal here. Once in a while it will hold the control channel for a second or two but not long enough to be useful.
@RocketNJ might have a shot in a few weeks with the leaves all gone. I am seeing signal levels slowly increase from various systems.
 

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@RocketNJ might have a shot in a few weeks with the leaves all gone. I am seeing signal levels slowly increase from various systems.

I brought my scanner outside and can't even get a hint of the control channel in West Orange. The odd thing is that I was able to pick up the old PD conventional channel from this location. So I'm not sure what's going on here unless it's just that the new system as a whole is running at lower power compared to the old frequencies.
 

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I was suspicious of the new RF design of the latest Uniden SDS. Never did buy one. Seemed to me potential for RF overload was present. Perhaps NICS W.Orange the mix? No pun.
 
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The other thing to consider is antenna design on the 700 MHz system. If they are required to use downtilt for RF contour then the coverage may not be as good as the 800 MHz channel.
I was told that the new system will be “really good within the township” but not so much outside of the township. I was also told all the antennas encapsulate the town and the signal won’t go to far outside of the town. There was a lot more technical talk but went above my head.
 

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I was told that the new system will be “really good within the township” but not so much outside of the township. I was also told all the antennas encapsulate the town and the signal won’t go to far outside of the town. There was a lot more technical talk but went above my head.

I can tell you that if that was their intention, it's not reflected in practice. Plus simply by the laws of physics, if they're using the full 100w ERP they're licensed for, you're going to hear it in surrounding towns to some degree (terrain/antennas depending). I can tell you for sure the system is receivable with a very acceptable signal in Boonton Township and Madison.
 

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I can tell you that if that was their intention, it's not reflected in practice. Plus simply by the laws of physics, if they're using the full 100w ERP they're licensed for, you're going to hear it in surrounding towns to some degree (terrain/antennas depending). I can tell you for sure the system is receivable with a very acceptable signal in Boonton Township and Madison.
I don’t know the specifics and I’m sure people who are much smarter than I am can weigh in. I have one caveat to my last post. It was explained to me that it is as good, if not better than the state 700 MHz system. I called bs. The person I was speaking to said the only difference is Parsippany’s antennas point downward so the signal doesn’t go too far and there aren’t as many towers/antennas as the state system (obviously). Said it is even better than the Morris county system.
 

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I was told that the new system will be “really good within the township” but not so much outside of the township. I was also told all the antennas encapsulate the town and the signal won’t go to far outside of the town. There was a lot more technical talk but went above my head.
Sounds like Wayne...
 

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I brought my SDS200 up to Eagle Rock Reservation this morning. At 700' elevation and clear line of sight to the west towards Parsippany I could only pull in 1 quick blip of the control channel. And this is only about 6-7 miles from the Parsippany town line.
 
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I brought my SDS200 up to Eagle Rock Reservation this morning. At 700' elevation and clear line of sight to the west towards Parsippany I could only pull in 1 quick blip of the control channel. And this is only about 6-7 miles from the Parsippany town line.
Please re-check posts #125 #133, should provide some insight, perhaps. EOM.
 
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