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I'm the guy on the radio. Not having to switch channels to mask sensitive info makes our jobs easier. Critical patient information is faster disseminated when we aren't having to worry about nefarious scanner listeners. It makes our jobs easier knowing we can communicate in privacy without having to pull the radio out, change knobs to a tac channel and other crew on the channel miss out because we switched. Staying encrypted is for all our benefit, not for scannerland

Sounds like paranoia, not sure why you would be worrying about people on scanners listening. There aren't as many people with scanners listening to Ems stuff as you think. I was in medical field for years, and never heard sensitive info given over the radio.

Anyway, lets end this subject.
 

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That doesn't make a lot sense.
That’s how they do it in Vancouver BC. They’re on 700MHz up there, and all ops and dispatch channels are run through AES.

I toured fire station 28, right before Seattle Police/Fire hit the switch, and the FF showing me around said they wouldn’t encrypt. He also didn’t believe Policd wouldn’t, either…
 

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I'm the guy on the radio. Not having to switch channels to mask sensitive info makes our jobs easier. Critical patient information is faster disseminated when we aren't having to worry about nefarious scanner listeners. It makes our jobs easier knowing we can communicate in privacy without having to pull the radio out, change knobs to a tac channel and other crew on the channel miss out because we switched. Staying encrypted is for all our benefit, not for scannerland.
stray away from this....Let's be positive
 

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I'm the guy on the radio. Not having to switch channels to mask sensitive info makes our jobs easier. Critical patient information is faster disseminated when we aren't having to worry about nefarious scanner listeners. It makes our jobs easier knowing we can communicate in privacy without having to pull the radio out, change knobs to a tac channel and other crew on the channel miss out because we switched. Staying encrypted is for all our benefit, not for scannerland.
Then why would you be in a scanner group? Now that doesn't make any sense to me, but hey to each their own.
 

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Be positive and hope all you want, but the last word I had was all LE was going dark, except SPD dispatch channels, and even that is slated to be selectable. All SFD going dark as well, with select AES on other FDs in King County. You have about 6 months of listening left.
 

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Then why would you be in a scanner group? Now that doesn't make any sense to me, but hey to each their own.
I've been a member here since the trunkedradio.net days, so for over 20 years. Before moving here, I was an avid public safety scanner guy and admin here. I've been the guy on the hoseline, the guy driving the truck, the guy working the radio in dispatch, the guy admininistering these trunked systems, and then the guy building these systems. I've had a lot of radio time with scanner land listening in. I've worn all these hats in 20 years and from my persepctive, end user trust in the technology and product helping them do their job safely and securely trumps the scanner listeners want to listen in on the by-product of technology.

I know I'm not the only person on here who's worn those hats too, so maybe I'm not the only one who gets the big picture. My comments are from my experiences in my 25 years of working in this field. I started out with a scanner myself in 1992 and turned my hobby into a career, so I can't turn my back on my roots. Radio is an amazing hobby.

I love scanning. I love listening on air, military, boats, and HF utility stuff but I know these end users and owners don't OWE me anything. I am simply enjoying the by-product of technology. It's free entertainment! But really, none of us have a right to listen in to anything, but we've gotten so used to it the past 50+ years of scanning, it's hard for many of us with thousands of dollars of scanners and comms gear to accept that the windows we audibly peep in are closing. We have to accept that.

On a positive note, I have heard rumblings ablout some feeds being provided online, but with a delay. This should satisfy the public's want to know, without jeopardizing officer safety. I think this is a win if true PLUS it's portable anywhere we go.
 

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On a positive note, I have heard rumblings ablout some feeds being provided online, but with a delay. This should satisfy the public's want to know, without jeopardizing officer safety. I think this is a win if true PLUS it's portable anywhere we go.
Right, but isn't the point of encryption also to guard confidential data ? Just saying.
 

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what jeopardizing officer safety? I'm sick of these excuses.
And it is an excuse. The problem is the militarized mindset of the police. We are all potentially the enemy and are treated accordingly. I am very suspicious of government entities cloaking their deeds in darkness and secrecy. Trust in the police is at an all-time low, and the very act of encryption destroys transparency in government and further separates the public "servants" from the people they are purportedly supposed to be serving.
 

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And it is an excuse. The problem is the militarized mindset of the police. We are all potentially the enemy and are treated accordingly. I am very suspicious of government entities cloaking their deeds in darkness and secrecy. Trust in the police is at an all-time low, and the very act of encryption destroys transparency in government and further separates the public "servants" from the people they are purportedly supposed to be serving.
The statement regarding Umatilla/Morrow County Oregon TRS advocating for ENC came from dept heads was that citizens were showing up before they did creating a safety issue.

Most critical incidents don't have time to switch to a tac channel and have to stay coordinated for everyone involved.

I don't like it anymore than most folks and there is no precedent (case law argued before a higher court and overturned) that can be used to stop this.

It's also easy for a vendor to sell a Phase 2 system where ADP or AES encryption is included in the price rather than flashing hundreds or thousands of radios later on.

Audio streaming is easier than programming a receiver and therefore the technology that most people already have in their hands sealed the deal on this.
 

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I know what officer safety issue is, I just never see the right answers. The real issue why AES is being advocated for in police depts, is because of the audio streaming. Newer scanners are costly and aren't easy for people to program.

AES comes as one of the many features on 2 way radio's now days. As much as i don't like encryption, its tool that can be programmed.
 
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Rose early this morning. It looks like many of the top groups in the south are being patched, or “simulcast“ from the legacy network to PSERN. The federal Way police, it looks like, have not been active on Broadcastify Calls for quite some time since the wee hours of the morning, so I assume they are over the hill now

The only talk groups that are not being simulcast are:

King County Sheriff North Patrol
Auburn police
Tukwila Police
And south fire departments
 

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I'm the guy on the radio. Not having to switch channels to mask sensitive info makes our jobs easier. Critical patient information is faster disseminated when we aren't having to worry about nefarious scanner listeners. It makes our jobs easier knowing we can communicate in privacy without having to pull the radio out, change knobs to a tac channel and other crew on the channel miss out because we switched. Staying encrypted is for all our benefit, not for scannerland.

Sorry man, if you think FIRE needs to be full time E to include routine dispatch, you dont have an argument and you are going a little too far.

Plenty of police to include large cities with brand new P25P2 systems use the best practice and go clear on dispatch and E on the rest. Thats police. Dont even wanna hear it on fire dispatch being encrypted.

It does put up barriers between the public and public safety that is supposed to protect them.

Im a LE Officer and radio system administrator. I believe im more likely to get HELP from surrounding agencies listening and yes maybe even a well intentioned citizen. Unlike some here who defend it tooth and nail and host feeds, I hate the streaming apps but understand you cant really stop it legally without getting around a whole ton of FCC precedent. I know its a huge debate on here and this will probably get deleted but if you are a scanner enthusiast and host feeds, you are contributing most to loosing the hobby. It makes folks like Kingpin want to go so far as to encrypt routine fire dispatch! In rural New England, fire departments will remind you every so often via facebook posts to listen to their dispatch feed that they themselves provide. Its amazing the different mindsets around the country.

I refuse to believe that we are at such war with our citizens that we need to lock everyone out!!! The media are dishonest. Departments of all types Fire, Police, Sheriff, DPW, not knocking anybody in particular, can be dishonest. The good people in public safety are probably more short staffed than they have ever been in history and need the publics help now more than ever. Trust is at an all time low. Lets add "youll rely on CNN and nobody else for info" to the mix. Delayed feeds dont do much good after a natural disaster that takes out everything and all thats left are your encrypted radios. Ice storm takes out internet for days, too bad, you got no info at all Joe Citizen, you are the PROBLEM. No feeds left to listen to out there at that point "compromising LE safety" but Joe Good Guy and his family are still in the dark. Great public service!

Unauthorized access to systems can be handled without E. Sensitive info can be passed securely. 2 extra seconds and more training out of your day to keep the public somewhat in the loop? Damn right! Boo hoo, its inconvenient. Id love to know what you are really passing over FD dispatch thats all that sensitive or tell me about all the other things we have to do in public safety in 2023 that are inconvenient are doable but god forbid the radios be clear like they have been for 90 years. Please spare me...
 
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Sorry man, if you think FIRE needs to be full time E to include routine dispatch, you dont have an argument and you are going a little too far.

Plenty of police to include large cities with brand new P25P2 systems use the best practice and go clear on dispatch and E on the rest. Thats police. Dont even wanna hear it on fire dispatch being encrypted.

It does put up barriers between the public and public safety that is supposed to protect them.

Im a LE Officer and radio system administrator. I believe im more likely to get HELP from surrounding agencies listening and yes maybe even a well intentioned citizen. Unlike some here who defend it tooth and nail and host feeds, I hate the streaming apps but understand you cant really stop it legally without getting around a whole ton of FCC precedent. I know its a huge debate on here and this will probably get deleted but if you are a scanner enthusiast and host feeds, you are contributing most to loosing the hobby. It makes folks like Kingpin want to go so far as to encrypt routine fire dispatch! In rural New England, fire departments will remind you every so often via facebook posts to listen to their dispatch feed that they themselves provide. Its amazing the different mindsets around the country.

I refuse to believe that we are at such war with our citizens that we need to lock everyone out!!! The media are dishonest. Departments of all types Fire, Police, Sheriff, DPW, not knocking anybody in particular, can be dishonest. The good people in public safety are probably more short staffed than they have ever been in history and need the publics help now more than ever. Trust is at an all time low. Lets add "youll rely on CNN and nobody else for info" to the mix. Delayed feeds dont do much good after a natural disaster that takes out everything and all thats left are your encrypted radios. Ice storm takes out internet for days, too bad, you got no info at all Joe Citizen, you are the PROBLEM. No feeds left to listen to out there at that point "compromising LE safety" but Joe Good Guy and his family are still in the dark. Great public service!

Unauthorized access to systems can be handled without E. Sensitive info can be passed securely. 2 extra seconds and more training out of your day to keep the public somewhat in the loop? Damn right! Boo hoo, its inconvenient. Id love to know what you are really passing over FD dispatch thats all that sensitive or tell me about all the other things we have to do in public safety in 2023 that are inconvenient are doable but god forbid the radios be clear like they have been for 90 years. Please spare me...
I can't add anything to that. You are right on point.
 

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We’ll all the VC Police Depts have hit the switch !

Ironic KC Sheriff switched EXCEPT north. Shouldn’t they have switched all their precincts ?
I'm getting KCSO NW and NE on PSERN now.
 

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I dunno. I use a Unication G4. it's not uncommon to keep both systems open untill all subscribers have switched over.
 

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