Indeed. Sipped my coffee as I listened to NORCOM’s “Swan Song” on the Police 1-3 channels. North Sheriff is also onboard now and I imagine Redmond, Issaquah-Snoqualmie, and Bothell will too. If they haven’t already…
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Still hear their Dispatch and Tac 1 on KCERS.
Yeah I heard that too. Suspect it's temporary
I’d like to get rid of KCERS. Hopefully they’ll fix it by end of day.
devicelab
Whacker Extraordinaire
devicelab
Whacker Extraordinaire
You were a day early... can't you boys count? 🤣
Yes I saw EPSCA shut off at 10AM as I was driving to work! 🤗
Yes I saw EPSCA shut off at 10AM as I was driving to work! 🤗
I must confess there is an error in the DB.
Doing my math, Norcom Police 1 should be 1339, NOT 1964.
Doing my math, Norcom Police 1 should be 1339, NOT 1964.
devicelab
Whacker Extraordinaire
The understatement of the year!
Good day,
I have a few old 396XTs. I could swear I've listened to other similar P25 systems while traveling in other states.
I see it decoding control channel data/system ID and the TIDs I've programmed from via Freescan.
Freescan brought it in as a MOT II/P25 system.
I've seen the thread where it's suggested to program as a P25 std system.
Is there an associated band plan I need to program as well? I prefer to squeeze the last ounce of King County trunk scanning out these things before settling for Snohomish County and a few others. ;-)
I'll eventually buy a new scanner. Until then, please advise and thank you!
73,
Dave KI7VLV
I have a few old 396XTs. I could swear I've listened to other similar P25 systems while traveling in other states.
I see it decoding control channel data/system ID and the TIDs I've programmed from via Freescan.
Freescan brought it in as a MOT II/P25 system.
I've seen the thread where it's suggested to program as a P25 std system.
Is there an associated band plan I need to program as well? I prefer to squeeze the last ounce of King County trunk scanning out these things before settling for Snohomish County and a few others. ;-)
I'll eventually buy a new scanner. Until then, please advise and thank you!
73,
Dave KI7VLV
devicelab
Whacker Extraordinaire
The XT series only supports Phase 1 P25. You'll need a new scanner for PSERN. SERS is still analog for now.
Not all P25 systems are created equal. An older scanner usually has no issues with an older P25 Phase I system. In addition to newer systems being Phase II, they also employ something called Simulcast. What it means is that transmissions are on a single frequency and "simultaneously" broadcast from multiple towers. While there are situations where older receivers might do ok with this, there's presently only one pair of scanner models that properly handle Simulcast (SDS-100 hand-held & SDS-200 base).
I use the knob positions on a G4 and have good results with single site monitoring. "Seattle/Eastside" appears best for most PSERN affiliations at my location. I even get Clark counties CRESSA Rainier Hill site, at times so I'm happy. But not Lind or Bainbridge Island 😔
I could use some insight from the hive who are more experienced: I only learned of the migration to PSERN and spent the past several days reading up on it.
I use both Sentinel as well as Proscan depending on the editing feature I'm undertaking. I updated the firmware for my two SDS units then bought a subscription to Radio Reference to get the latest database. Okay, got the important stuff out of the way.
here is my question:
I've discovered that the RR dbase for PSERN is lacking some TGIDs. Serendipity revealed that the phone app, "5-0 Radio" has TGIDs which aren't part of the RadioReference. Is there a way I can add the missing TGID (using Sentinal or Proscan) in order to test them first...thereby allowing me to submit missing channel to RR for future dbase updating?
The 5-0 Radio app offers PSERN channel for stream/listening. When a 'hit' is received, 5-0 displays a brief ticker-tape display showing the TGID (receiver v sender TGID). My goal is to jot down the displayed TGID and patch them into my radio database for verification.
help me, obiwan
I use both Sentinel as well as Proscan depending on the editing feature I'm undertaking. I updated the firmware for my two SDS units then bought a subscription to Radio Reference to get the latest database. Okay, got the important stuff out of the way.
here is my question:
I've discovered that the RR dbase for PSERN is lacking some TGIDs. Serendipity revealed that the phone app, "5-0 Radio" has TGIDs which aren't part of the RadioReference. Is there a way I can add the missing TGID (using Sentinal or Proscan) in order to test them first...thereby allowing me to submit missing channel to RR for future dbase updating?
The 5-0 Radio app offers PSERN channel for stream/listening. When a 'hit' is received, 5-0 displays a brief ticker-tape display showing the TGID (receiver v sender TGID). My goal is to jot down the displayed TGID and patch them into my radio database for verification.
help me, obiwan
Luke - I'll await your ongoing reports re - Deathstar Battle Plans- Submit away! - and oh yeah, don't be cuddling up with Leia, I'll explain later -Ob
Is that description different from how many analog "Simulcast" systems currently work?? As in a single P25/II voice frequency, say 859.2570, is blasted from three other towers within the same site name??
I usually set the radio to whatever site/tower I receive the best at my location. Or for systems where a particular agency broadcasts out of one site/tower, I'll hang there if I want to hear them. For example, we all know an agency will use only one site for their TACs, so I'll hang there.
I'll have radio scan sites within the system if I'm mobile. It usually grabs the strongest one with no issue. For weaker simulcast sites, I'll turn the knob and it captures the strong one.
I am not sure I fully understand your question. I do not believe there is any such thing as an "analog Simulcast" system. We're talking about P25 Simulcast systems here anyway.
What I think most people do not understand is that a SITE does not mean a single tower (although it could). The whole concept of a Simulcast system is that a receiver can be on a single frequency and just pick up the signal from the strongest tower. Here's a map that shows the various towers on the PSERN system Site 027.
devicelab
Whacker Extraordinaire
And with Phase 2 LSM, the dwell time of the H-DQPSK signal is increased and thus the distance between the sub-sites can be larger. Thus, the system can do more with less infrastructure.
I don't know if anyone is interested, but I have a list of unnamed talk groups on PSERN that have come thru in the last week or so of running Unitrunker. Some of them have a substantial number of hits. Am I right in understanding that multiplying the group id by 16 gives you the equivalent group id from the KCERS system? If I had more time I guess I could use Excel and some vlookup stuff to associate the digital to analog group names.
| ID | Last | Hits |
| 0 | 8/12/23 8:10 | 0 |
| 161 | 8/8/23 14:13 | 0 |
| 163 | 6/7/23 9:51 | 0 |
| 165 | 8/11/23 18:47 | 0 |
| 167 | 8/10/23 16:12 | 0 |
| 169 | 8/11/23 17:08 | 0 |
| 171 | 8/10/23 17:07 | 0 |
| 325 | 8/9/23 16:46 | 0 |
| 343 | 8/11/23 15:02 | 135 |
| 345 | 8/12/23 12:47 | 587 |
| 347 | 8/12/23 13:02 | 1293 |
| 361 | 8/9/23 15:32 | 3 |
| 363 | 8/12/23 10:02 | 99 |
| 377 | 8/12/23 12:56 | 0 |
| 379 | 8/10/23 14:11 | 0 |
| 381 | 8/9/23 23:35 | 0 |
| 401 | 8/11/23 15:46 | 1 |
| 407 | 8/12/23 12:27 | 3 |
| 411 | 8/11/23 6:27 | 0 |
| 413 | 8/12/23 12:24 | 0 |
| 415 | 8/10/23 10:10 | 4 |
| 423 | 8/12/23 13:01 | 0 |
| 425 | 8/11/23 18:51 | 1 |
| 427 | 8/12/23 6:41 | 0 |
| 429 | 8/11/23 22:28 | 0 |
| 431 | 8/12/23 9:09 | 0 |
| 477 | 8/11/23 11:06 | 0 |
| 487 | 8/10/23 14:10 | 0 |
| 545 | 8/8/23 13:02 | 0 |
| 547 | 8/12/23 12:54 | 803 |
| 551 | 8/11/23 22:18 | 2 |
| 581 | 8/11/23 4:50 | 10 |
| 1037 | 8/10/23 15:21 | 6 |
| 1039 | 8/12/23 9:52 | 2 |
| 1041 | 8/8/23 12:21 | 0 |
| 1077 | 8/10/23 9:26 | 0 |
| 1079 | 8/11/23 15:03 | 12 |
| 1081 | 8/12/23 12:32 | 0 |
| 1133 | 8/10/23 14:57 | 0 |
| 1139 | 8/11/23 10:18 | 0 |
| 1143 | 8/11/23 14:17 | 0 |
| 1147 | 8/9/23 12:22 | 0 |
| 1149 | 8/8/23 11:37 | 0 |
| 1157 | 8/9/23 12:59 | 0 |
| 1171 | 8/10/23 15:38 | 34 |
| 1193 | 8/10/23 17:15 | 0 |
| 1195 | 8/10/23 9:39 | 0 |
| 1199 | 8/10/23 17:14 | 0 |
| 1207 | 8/12/23 9:11 | 0 |
| 1211 | 8/11/23 3:43 | 0 |
| 1213 | 8/12/23 8:58 | 0 |
| 1219 | 8/10/23 17:11 | 4 |
| 1245 | 8/12/23 9:35 | 82 |
| 1247 | 8/12/23 9:45 | 0 |
| 1249 | 8/10/23 9:02 | 0 |
| 1257 | 8/11/23 13:13 | 18 |
| 1273 | 8/11/23 23:25 | 0 |
| 1275 | 8/12/23 12:44 | 34 |
| 1277 | 8/12/23 13:00 | 9 |
| 1279 | 8/10/23 12:39 | 0 |
| 1283 | 8/11/23 19:38 | 0 |
| 1287 | 8/12/23 12:12 | 6 |
| 1289 | 8/12/23 9:05 | 0 |
| 1291 | 8/12/23 12:11 | 0 |
| 1303 | 8/10/23 6:44 | 0 |
| 1307 | 8/11/23 23:01 | 105 |
| 1317 | 8/10/23 13:32 | 0 |
| 1319 | 8/12/23 8:57 | 0 |
| 1325 | 8/12/23 8:58 | 0 |
| 1327 | 8/11/23 12:46 | 25 |
| 1331 | 8/12/23 12:50 | 11 |
| 1353 | 8/11/23 21:41 | 0 |
| 1357 | 8/10/23 9:02 | 0 |
| 1369 | 8/11/23 12:42 | 21 |
| 1401 | 8/11/23 12:58 | 14 |
| 1409 | 8/11/23 16:09 | 248 |
| 1411 | 8/11/23 10:03 | 0 |
| 1421 | 8/10/23 9:51 | 0 |
| 1423 | 8/11/23 14:53 | 53 |
| 1429 | 8/10/23 9:15 | 0 |
| 1431 | 8/9/23 11:29 | 0 |
| 1443 | 8/10/23 17:31 | 0 |
| 1483 | 8/8/23 11:13 | 0 |
| 1485 | 8/11/23 12:44 | 2 |
| 1487 | 8/12/23 12:59 | 0 |
| 1501 | 8/12/23 9:43 | 2 |
| 1517 | 8/11/23 19:46 | 0 |
| 1519 | 8/12/23 6:48 | 0 |
| 1531 | 8/10/23 8:17 | 2 |
| 1537 | 8/11/23 22:24 | 0 |
| 1539 | 8/11/23 16:54 | 0 |
| 1551 | 8/9/23 19:52 | 1 |
| 1577 | 8/8/23 12:32 | 0 |
| 1597 | 8/10/23 12:48 | 0 |
| 1607 | 8/12/23 11:51 | 655 |
| 1609 | 8/12/23 12:38 | 58 |
| 1611 | 8/10/23 22:02 | 0 |
| 1649 | 8/12/23 9:51 | 0 |
| 1653 | 8/12/23 12:51 | 0 |
| 1661 | 8/11/23 6:57 | 0 |
| 1669 | 8/10/23 17:54 | 2 |
| 1673 | 8/8/23 20:15 | 0 |
| 1677 | 8/12/23 11:43 | 113 |
| 1683 | 8/11/23 20:47 | 5 |
| 1697 | 8/9/23 6:50 | 0 |
| 1705 | 8/10/23 22:54 | 0 |
| 1771 | 8/10/23 9:34 | 0 |
| 1865 | 8/8/23 20:54 | 0 |
| 1871 | 7/28/23 15:49 | 0 |
| 1951 | 8/10/23 12:27 | 0 |
| 1993 | 8/12/23 13:01 | 0 |
| 2047 | 7/28/23 15:26 | 0 |
| 2057 | 8/9/23 14:26 | 0 |
| 2059 | 8/12/23 12:57 | 0 |
| 2093 | 8/11/23 16:42 | 0 |
| 2105 | 8/11/23 9:29 | 0 |
| 2107 | 8/11/23 11:46 | 0 |
| 2149 | 8/10/23 22:29 | 0 |
| 2195 | 8/12/23 11:14 | 1079 |
| 2197 | 8/12/23 12:54 | 1027 |
| 2209 | 8/11/23 20:35 | 0 |
| 2211 | 8/9/23 14:24 | 0 |
| 2213 | 8/9/23 14:25 | 0 |
| 2233 | 8/10/23 22:54 | 0 |
| 2411 | 8/10/23 12:15 | 0 |
| 2413 | 8/9/23 12:28 | 10 |
| 2443 | 8/8/23 19:24 | 1 |
| 2515 | 8/9/23 4:18 | 0 |
| 2517 | 8/11/23 16:04 | 0 |
| 2519 | 8/10/23 9:29 | 0 |
| 2689 | 8/10/23 13:56 | 0 |
| 2693 | 7/28/23 16:47 | 0 |
| 2695 | 8/10/23 13:56 | 0 |
| 2699 | 8/9/23 17:05 | 0 |
| 2725 | 8/10/23 12:53 | 0 |
| 2727 | 8/11/23 16:05 | 0 |
| 2733 | 8/11/23 16:31 | 0 |
| 2737 | 8/11/23 14:49 | 1 |
| 2739 | 8/11/23 14:45 | 0 |
| 2741 | 8/11/23 13:14 | 3 |
| 2819 | 8/12/23 11:37 | 202 |
| 2839 | 8/9/23 12:07 | 0 |
| 3765 | 8/12/23 13:01 | 700 |
| 3767 | 8/12/23 13:01 | 1105 |
| 3805 | 8/9/23 18:20 | 0 |
| 3809 | 8/10/23 16:56 | 0 |
| 3815 | 8/12/23 11:50 | 3 |
| 3821 | 8/8/23 12:34 | 0 |
| 3823 | 8/9/23 8:45 | 0 |
| 3829 | 8/9/23 8:45 | 0 |
| 3831 | 8/9/23 8:45 | 0 |
| 3833 | 8/9/23 8:46 | 0 |
| 3835 | 8/9/23 8:46 | 0 |
| 3837 | 8/9/23 8:46 | 0 |
| 3839 | 8/10/23 20:21 | 0 |
| 3843 | 8/9/23 8:46 | 0 |
| 3855 | 8/12/23 5:08 | 6 |
| 3857 | 8/12/23 12:31 | 2 |
| 3861 | 8/10/23 11:20 | 0 |
| 3875 | 8/10/23 13:43 | 0 |
| 3877 | 8/9/23 16:53 | 0 |
| 3879 | 8/12/23 12:46 | 1 |
| 3911 | 8/10/23 9:23 | 0 |
| 3915 | 8/12/23 11:39 | 9 |
| 3919 | 8/12/23 12:49 | 1 |
| 3941 | 8/12/23 10:57 | 0 |
| 3943 | 8/9/23 11:30 | 0 |
| 3945 | 8/12/23 0:05 | 68 |
| 3949 | 8/11/23 10:11 | 0 |
| 3951 | 6/7/23 9:56 | 89 |
| 3969 | 8/12/23 10:46 | 0 |
| 6001 | 8/11/23 10:11 | 36 |
| 6003 | 8/11/23 9:15 | 0 |
| 6004 | 6/7/23 8:17 | 0 |
| 6006 | 8/11/23 15:41 | 76 |
| 6007 | 8/11/23 8:07 | 0 |
| 6010 | 8/8/23 12:22 | 0 |
| 6012 | 8/8/23 12:22 | 0 |
| 6013 | 8/11/23 8:07 | 0 |
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