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moto ✅
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Hello all,

I like to monitor commuter trains (the Metra UP-North line). I know they use AAR channel 62, which is simplex, but I've noticed they are repeater antennas on the posts next to the metal boxes. Is there a channel to talk to train dispatch? Or is it for Metra Police?

Thanks!
 

Awesomeman92

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UP doesn't use repeaters on the road channels in the Chicago area, although some of the yards do. Without a picture it's hard to tell what you're looking at, but it's possible you're talking about the folded dipoles that PTC uses. They're at virtually every signal bungalow, if not every one, but only carry data and not voice. The only railroads in the Chicago area that use a repeater on road is the South Shore Line and I believe the Metra Electric. Amtrak MOW uses one downtown and so does CPKC mechanical in Bensenville, just to name a couple others, but they aren't used for road. Usually these repeaters are pretty low power too.

Even if UP wanted to put a repeater on 62, it would require some complicated planning and tuning. 62 is the road channel for the south end of the Milwaukee Sub (quite busy) and the west end of the Geneva Sub (VERY busy) as well, meaning any repeater sites would either need to be tuned carefully for each line to eliminate interference from the others (highly directional antennas) or use separate PL tones/inputs for each line and expect crews to remember which set goes with which line, which isn't going to happen. Without that planning, it would basically be a free for all where no one would be able to get a word in edgewise, not to mention times when the VHF band comes alive in the spring and fall and ducting becomes a huge problem. It's possible, sure, but not worth the hassle or cost to install more equipment. The dispatcher can switch towers remotely so there's no need for everything to be on all of them all the time. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 

Awesomeman92

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Yep, 99% of the time that's a PTC antenna, although not every folded dipole you see is. Perfect example is in Rochelle. The BNSF signal bungalow to the left has one that spits out ARES data on VHF. The bigger tower to the right is likely UP's (although I don't know this for certain) PTC. It also has what looks like a wireless network antenna on top pointed back towards Global 3. And a special shoutout to the pole leaning on the other that BNSF just left there when they took out the code line poles.

Sorry if the picture doesn't show it well, I had to drop the quality way down to get the file small enough to upload here.
 

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