Roseville Galleria Mall Swat call-up

[avtarsingh]

i called the alex jones show today and he said the galleria was an "inside job "



Galleria Sprinklers Were Turned Off In Standoff - cbs13.com
Roseville city officials admitted Tuesday that the fire extinguishing sprinklers were turned off during the standoff that preceded last week's devastating fire.

i know ... cause i heard it on the radio..... cue donna summer to sing ...

 

[kma371]

ya guys got it out of your system yet? Can we go back to talking about radio?

 

[gmclam]

Roseville Galleria Incident

Galleria Sprinklers Were Turned Off In Standoff - cbs13.com
Roseville city officials admitted Tuesday that the fire extinguishing sprinklers were turned off during the standoff that preceded last week's devastating fire.

i know ... cause i heard it on the radio..... cue donna summer to sing ...

Any of us that were really listening to this event unfold, like I did, heard it too. There was over 1 inch of water on the 2nd floor, and the sprinklers going. The fire threat did not seem to be there and the #1 task in everyone's play book was to get that backpack with the robot.

It is easy to arm chair quarterback this one for sure. I was wondering about the tactics when I heard them. But then I was listening to as many scanner channels at once as my brain could process (they seemed to be using them all), and hearing both fire and PD. Things change way too quickly in real time and the commanders must act quick too.

I remember when fire and PD had plenty of workers in the building and I heard the call for everyone to get out. This could have turned into a tragedy like 9/11 with loss of life, but didn't. I don't think anyone thought the fire was going to flare up and eventually take out the roof. Fortunately there wasn't something in that backpack to add fuel to the situation (more than it did). I think this event will make good fodder for future urban training.

 

[ssd]

So the rpd lt had a srrcs apx7000. Or do they have some? And the rpd lt had his. I seen him with it as we was talking to cbs 13.. and I who did the rpd comm linked with. I was just on the tac ch. For most of the time till they lost the bomb robot in the fire?

 

[crucialcolin]

When SRRCS moved from SmartNet to Zone there were all kinds of issues then as well. It sucks that we keep running into these major snafus with radio upgrades. Have they expedited the reprogramming of radios with Roseville's system, or is it the finger-crossed method?

hrm I always thought Both SRCS and Roseville used the same Motorola type 2 system. Just learned something new It seems like the radio problems have gotten better recently as there have been past incidents in town were communication issues were a lot worse or even came to screeching halt. Maybe a lot more of the radios have been reprogrammed by now. I seem to recall one night about two months or so back where all hell broke loose at once with a multitude of fights(good old unpredictable drunks) that broke out near the bars downtown where roseville pd needed help from both placer and some rocklin units. They were completely unable to communicate with each other and dispatchers were frantically trying to find a channel on some other system they could use that everyone had in their radios. I they wound up borrowing a tac or some other obscure channel from SSD just so they could get everyone onto the same page and clear out the area.

Oh I can tell you i saw the Folsom Vehicle out there. However this was just after night fall so I'm not sure exactly when they first showed up. There was another one near it that looked possibly like a fire command center but I couldn't tell whose it was

 

[crucialcolin]

It is easy to arm chair quarterback this one for sure. I was wondering about the tactics when I heard them. But then I was listening to as many scanner channels at once as my brain could process (they seemed to be using them all), and hearing both fire and PD. Things change way too quickly in real time and the commanders must act quick too..

haha brain overload. I only have one scanner atm and I was trying to get everything all at once from fire and law enforcement are saying on a multitude of channels. I'm sure i missed like at least 80% of the stuff myself. I don't think having a multitude of scanners hold on a specific channel would have been much better though with how large this incident was.


So true now that after this has been over with for awhile and looking from the bigger overall picture I'm now of the opinion you cant really fault anyone. Especially with how chaotic it was. The saying **** happens comes to mind Any possible mistake that day happen from either law enforcement of Fire would be the decision to turn off the sprinklers. If someone from RPD did order then turned off then yes it was a mistake but law enforcement like everyone else is only human. We all make mistakes sometimes. Why would they be any different. Plus its not the end of the world at least everyone was kept safe most importantly.

Also I can safely say all the past big incidents that have happened in town have been handled flawlessly by Roseville's Public safety personal. So one poss minor miss out of thousands is pretty good odds

 

[crucialcolin]

The sad part about this is if it comes out being true that the order was given to turn off the sprinkler systems the city will be liable thus the insurances and Westfield themselves are very likely to sue the city over this. The total cost can very easily be well into the multimillion's at a min which I suspect the city doesn't have. In the end the Taxpayer will wind up paying for it by means of tax increases. The only people who will benefit of course will be the lawyers.

Btw Westfield is already known for having a huge and very aggressive lawyer team that's a major internal component of their corporation. So I wouldn't put it past them. Heck if they really wanted to they could probably walk from the mall altogether.

 

[karldotcom]

The City of Roseville ordered the water turned off? hahahaha. That's rich!

 

[crucialcolin]

The City of Roseville ordered the water turned off? hahahaha. That's rich!

Well technicaly roseville fd if truely ordered from roseville pd but of course they are both entitys of the city

 

[clanusb]

Rolncode3, Not sure on the details of the injury other than what i previously posted.
The SRRCS command van was there (the red and white giant). and they also had a small white fully enclosed cargo trailer that had racks of radios and a mast on it. I had never seen that one before. didnt see Folsom's van out there, just SRRCS's.

As i said before the sac radios had been programmed the night before to get thrown into service the next day. The guy said that they had missed a check box when programming the radio to work on roseville's system. What happened b/c of the missed box was the following: the apx radios were able to hear all coms on the TG's. When you went to push the ppt, you would get the TPT, but no audio and then the repeater would drop.

To the others: Roseville officers have a hodgepodge of mts's xts's and some had the new apx7000 radios.

 

[avtarsingh]

anybody seen a price tag on those apx7000 ? they look very expensive !!!

roseville and sac system basically the same "types" of systems

sac system is now a smart zone which allows more zones than a standard smartnet system also allows you digital audio

i dont know if roseville upgraded to smartzone controllers when they rebanded or not... if they did they can use digital voice p25 in the future.. delta ? or somebody does roseville system i dont know any of those people

once roseville rebanded - it would require every single user on sac system to get reprogrammed (those who need or might need to talk to them)

i would "assume" while sac is getting rebanded/reprogrammed that rosevilles rebanded system is also in that new codeplug

IF my assumption is correct.. then slowly as radios get reprogrammed - more and more units will have capability to talk to roseville again

but these are bureaucracies and that would be the sensible thing to do - so it probably wont get done hehe

george costanza ....seinfeld.. episode 86 THE OPPOSITE a must see for anybody that works around govt agencies

"its how business gets done in most agencies"

 

[ssd]

U can use p25 digital on a smartnet system the city of Davis is a smartnet p25 system. it's a smartnet cuz it has only 1 site at the police department..

 

[avtarsingh]

mmic posted this in 2006 and he says it better than i was going to say it

"Looking at the system, even though they are using a simulcast system wtih multiple sites, they are using P-25 CAI digital transmissions on much of the system. Because they wanted to do P-25 CAI digital on the system, they needed to make the system a SmartZone system because a SmartNet controller does not have enough "horsepower" to support digital transmissions and consoles at the same time. The consoles get connected to the AEB, so the 6809 or MTC-3600 controllers can then control the system and digital transmissions. When it comes to SmartNet systems, either you can have digital or consoles - but not both."

 

[WayneH]

a SmartNet controller does not have enough "horsepower" to support digital transmissions and consoles at the same time.

The "horsepower" he refers to is the number of available ports to attach equipment to. And the quoted statement is valid when Simulcast is used. Single site system will support consoles and digital.

 

[Hooligan]

Local Radio Interoperability Solved With High-Tech Trailers

 

[scannerboy02]

Anyone know if PCSO, RPD or any other agencies in Placer County are part of the CommLink?

 

[Sac916]

Anyone know if PCSO, RPD or any other agencies in Placer County are part of the CommLink?

Roseville PD has access to CommLink, CLERS and the landline based "HotLine"