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RichardKramer

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I have no problems monitoring Philly's simulcast systems with my 436HP...
I drive thru the City every August for vac to AC with a 436 in the mobile and a Larsen tri-band mag mnt on the roof with no trouble hearing outside of the City for several miles either way. You just have to adjust the settings just right for good ops rx.

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I drive thru the City every August for vac to AC with a 436 in the mobile and a Larsen tri-band mag mnt on the roof with no trouble hearing outside of the City for several miles either way. You just have to adjust the settings just right for good ops rx.

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No. If you don't have an SDS radio to compare, you have no way to know what you're missing. I've done simulcast comparison tests between the 436 and SDS100 in a vehicle with both connected to the same antenna, and it's common for the SDS100 to pick up traffic while the 436 is silent.
 

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I have no problems monitoring Philly's simulcast systems with my 436HP...
Location is everything when monitoring digital simulcast systems with radios not specifically designed to receive them. My 436 was horrible with our state's P25P2 simulcast, particularly when mobile. Sometimes a user doesn't even know they are missing transmissions until they place an optimized radio side by side.
 

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My 436hp sounded great then I moved and I had to keep on moving around the house to find the sweet spot . Then when I found the sweet spot I was fine . But that sweet spot is always the wrong spot . I did get a Yagi Base Antenna and it works great on my bcd536hp and my home patrol you just have to get it in the right direction . I have that in my game room . The bcd436hp is not a great scanner for simulcasting .You can be 100 feet from the tower it can be great . You can be 3 miles form the tower it could be great . But I live 15 miles from the tower it did not work great . The police radios don't even work great hear . Thy are work on getting a new tower up hear because the police radios single is so bad .
 

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No. If you don't have an SDS radio to compare, you have no way to know what you're missing. I've done simulcast comparison tests between the 436 and SDS100 in a vehicle with both connected to the same antenna, and it's common for the SDS100 to pick up traffic while the 436 is silent.
I didn't have anything to compare to the 436 in Philly, but the comms were non-stop while driving thru. I do, however, carry a 396XT while monitoring Berks Co. PH2 simulcast system which is rxng the PH2 relays on VHF and haven't missed any comms on the 436 as per the 396XT. Maybe the mod I did to the radio has improved the rx as I installed a speaker jack by the bnc adapter to get full audio out the speaker mic and mobile speakers I use. I noticed when I had my 396XT on in the house I was rxng the Allentown wx freq loud and clear, but on the 436 I had to open the squelch and could barely hear them. I switched antennas and no improvement. I figured there was internal noise blocking the signal since as soon as I hooked up to an external antenna the 436 rxd as good as if not better than the 396XT. I started experimenting with capacitors attached to the bnc and the speaker jack grounds that I installed thinking it may "bleed off" some of the internal rfi. A .01 mfd attached brought in the wx freq on the 436 just as good as on the 369XT, but after several weeks of hard use on the 436 a leg broke off the cap and I lost my good rx with the duck. I had some resistors with larger legs, so I tried several of them and found a 35 ohm one did the same as the cap, wx came in lima charlie as well as all the other freqs I listened to on the RS 800 duck. My second 436 I purchased had the same rx issue until I added a speaker jack and resistor between the two jacks and wow, what an improvement that made.

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I didn't have anything to compare to the 436 in Philly, but the comms were non-stop while driving thru.
Then you haven't actually tested anything. Going from one side of a Wal-Mart parking lot to the other can make the difference between perfect simulcast reception and silence with conventional receivers.

Older revisions of the 436 generate RFI from a chip near the battery compartment due to C1 being missing. Installing a .01µF capacitor in the C1 slot eliminates the RFI. Installing capacitors or resistors elsewhere is a kludge that doesn't eliminate the RFI at its source. Newer 436s have C1 installed, and don't have the self-interference issue when using a ducky.
 

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Then you haven't actually tested anything. Going from one side of a Wal-Mart parking lot to the other can make the difference between perfect simulcast reception and silence with conventional receivers.

Older revisions of the 436 generate RFI from a chip near the battery compartment due to C1 being missing. Installing a .01µF capacitor in the C1 slot eliminates the RFI. Installing capacitors or resistors elsewhere is a kludge that doesn't eliminate the RFI at its source. Newer 436s have C1 installed, and don't have the self-interference issue when using a ducky.
Then you didn't understand my post. I travel through much of Berks with both the 396xt and 436 whilst having the VHF relay freqs being monitored by the 396XT and have not missed ANY comms on the 436 on Berks simulcast system.

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Then you didn't understand my post. I travel through much of Berks with both the 396xt and 436 whilst having the VHF relay freqs being monitored by the 396XT and have not missed ANY comms on the 436 on Berks simulcast system.

That's very atypical when scanning simulcast mobile with conventional receivers. The VHF freqs listed for Berks are multicasts of specific talkgroups, and don't carry all system traffic. So you're still not really doing a valid test even there.

Traveling around Frederick VA, Franklin PA, and Washington MD, the 436 and 536 are consistently inconsistent receiving the simulcast systems in those counties (Winchester city system in Frederick VA).
 
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