Scanning In Flight

[eorange]

LOL, Dude, have you not figured out yet the RECEIVERS are not allowed? :roll: :roll:

lol Yes, yes, I know all that. But - if you don't ask, you don't get. Well, I asked & didn't get anyway. Nowadays I know better than to ask.

Erik
KA3FYU

 

[Voyager]

Are you back to the "It is not a RADIO" Argument? :roll: :roll: :roll:

No, I'm on the "Not all airlines prohibit scanners or receivers or radios" argument.

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Joe M.

 

[N_Jay]

No, I'm on the "Not all airlines prohibit scanners or receivers or radios" argument.

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Joe M.

I was basing the comment on your comment;
"If it allows consumer electronics (except during takeoff and landing), your scanner is a piece of consumer electronics."

Implying that it was not covered by the NO RADIOS restriction.

Still waiting to see what airline. (heck I might want to fly them just to do some midair listening)

 

[Voyager]

I was basing the comment on your comment;
"If it allows consumer electronics (except during takeoff and landing), your scanner is a piece of consumer electronics."

Implying that it was not covered by the NO RADIOS restriction.

Still waiting to see what airline. (heck I might want to fly them just to do some midair listening)

As I said, I won't mention the name, but it's not a major airline. They have no rules on radios other than transmitters. Sometimes the smaller ones are more passanger friendly.

Something else to note: Sometimes I like a good debate, and this topic is prime real estate for such activity. Rarely, I will even take the side other than my own feelings just to get a better understanding of an issue. In no circumstances would I operate a scanner during takeoff or landing or if it were specifically prohibited.

The laptop issue is a hot button with me due to the obvious contradictory rules with respect to incidental transmitters such as receivers and laptops. Of the two, laptops clearly pose the greater risk of harmful interference (I mean harmful interference in the FCC's "legal definition" of the term). Also, words do have meanings, and that's why at times I bring up the legal definition of a word rather than the common usage. They are frequently two different meanings.

Case in point: Great catch, left fielder! That has two completely different meanings. If he caught the ball, it was likely a compliment. If he didn't, it was likely criticism. Same words, but two completely different meanings. Ain't words fun?

Joe M.

 

[BaLa]

The laptop issue is a hot button with me due to the obvious contradictory rules with respect to incidental transmitters such as receivers and laptops. Of the two, laptops clearly pose the greater risk of harmful interference (I mean harmful interference in the FCC's "legal definition" of the term). Also, words do have meanings, and that's why at times I bring up the legal definition of a word rather than the common usage. They are frequently two different meanings.

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Your flight attendant will tell you when you may use approved portable electronic devices in-flight. Devices with transmitting capabilities may only be used if the transmit capability is turned off and can be verified by a flight attendant (example: combination cellphone/PDA devices or laptop computers with wireless capabilities).

 

[MarkEagleUSA]

Case in point: Great catch, left fielder! That has two completely different meanings. If he caught the ball, it was likely a compliment. If he didn't, it was likely criticism. Same words, but two completely different meanings. Ain't words fun?

Great post, Joe!

 

[Voyager]

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The only way to disable ALL emissions from a laptop is to turn it off. I'm not talking about intentional radiations such as 802.11 - I'm talking about RF emissions from the computer itself. Try a search on a portable scanner near a laptop with no 802.11 capabilities. You will hear all the trash eminating from the laptop itself.

A scanner by comparison does emit birdies, but it is nothing like the scope of emissions from a laptop.

Joe M.

 

[BaLa]

The only way to disable ALL emissions from a laptop is to turn it off. I'm not talking about intentional radiations such as 802.11 - I'm talking about RF emissions from the computer itself. Try a search on a portable scanner near a laptop with no 802.11 capabilities. You will hear all the trash eminating from the laptop itself.

A scanner by comparison does emit birdies, but it is nothing like the scope of emissions from a laptop.

Joe M.

I thought you were only referring to Wireless stuff (802.11 (a,b,g))
Can add 'n' to that list pretty soon too.

 

[N_Jay]

Great post, Joe!

Actually its not a great post. :evil: :evil:

The words do in fact mean the same thing.
In the second case the phrase is being used sarcastically.

Great does not mean bad, and catch does not mean drop.

Radio means radio! Some are trying to say that "radio" means only "AM/FM Broadcast radio", and not all radios.

But, I guess this is what we get from our modern education system. :roll:

 

[N_Jay]

A scanner by comparison does emit birdies, but it is nothing like the scope of emissions from a laptop.

Joe M.

Yes, PCs generate a lot of RF Hash, but BIRDIES are internal.

 

[MarkEagleUSA]

Radio means radio!

In the context of this thread I disagree...

Some are trying to say that "radio" means only "AM/FM Broadcast radio", and not all radios.

..."Radio" means whatever the particular airline decides it means.

I guess this is what we get from our modern education system.

Education has nothing to do with what an airline wants to define a "radio" as.

 

[flyingwolf]

As the airline has no documantation declaring what a "radio"is then we can only go off of the technical definition of it.

 

[N_Jay]

. . . .
Education has nothing to do with what an airline wants to define a "radio" as.

I was referring to the post that INCORRECTLY indicated the that the meaning of words changed and then use a sarcastic expression as the example.

That explanation might hold up in third grade, but even Jr. High English would have (should have) taught better.

 

[N_Jay]

As the airline has no documantation declaring what a "radio"is then we can only go off of the technical definition of it.

You could argue for the technical definition, a common dictionary definition, or at the loosest a "Reasonable Person's" definition, but the arguing for a carefully constructed definition that does not include scanners is UNREASONABLE!

 

[Voyager]

Actually its not a great post. :evil: :evil:

The words do in fact mean the same thing.
In the second case the phrase is being used sarcastically.

Technically, I may have to give you that one.

You are one bad dude! (absolutely no sarcasm in there)

Did I compliment you or put you down?
And was that a more technically correct example? (nod yes)

Joe M.

 

[jred184]

Ok, I have read this entire thread and can see it is getting to be drawn out. The original question needs to be answered by the airline itself. That's it. End of discussion.

Dramatic example:

If you want to smoke in someone's house, you don't ask a friend if he thinks it is ok, you ask the owner of the house.



JRed

 

[DaveNF2G]

Better example for commercial airlines:

If you want to smoke in someone's apartment and the landlord says that smoking is prohibited, then you don't ask a friend if it's OK, and if the tenant says it's OK, then he's wrong, too!

 

[toydriver_det]

This is one funny thread.
Forget all legal reasons. if you want to see who wins all the time just watch the TV reality show Airline. They kick people off flights for being rude, drunk, stinky and all kinds of other reasons. It does not matter what kind of legal eagle you think you are, you will do what the airline people tell you to do or you will get kicked off or worse. Period.
Toydriver

 

[Dubbin]

This is one funny thread.
Forget all legal reasons. if you want to see who wins all the time just watch the TV reality show Airline. They kick people off flights for being rude, drunk, stinky and all kinds of other reasons. It does not matter what kind of legal eagle you think you are, you will do what the airline people tell you to do or you will get kicked off or worse. Period.
Toydriver

LOL I watched that show once. Man some of those people get upset. My favorite one was this drunk dude that got kicked off the plane and was handing out money. I bet he woke up after that and said WTF where is all my money

 

[mkewman]

has anyone on the forums actually attempted midair listening?