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On the provincial edacs system TGID: 714 is commissionaires services.

They used to broadcast on a vhf frequency but I'm thinking they've been moved to this system now.

No sign of p25 on the North East Avalon yet, still drops off at Whitbourne.
 
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Also been seeing random chatter on a TGID: 18.

Haven't been able to discern exactly what it's use is yet.
 

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I'll be on the island starting September 7 for the Targa rally. I'm radio operator for start team C, which will be doing the ceremonial start plus roughly one-fifth of the stages all week long (there are 5 stage operations teams).

After the rally I plan to tour around the island for a couple extra weeks - not leaving til the 29th (my family shows up on the 22nd to join me).

You'll be able to follow me with the APRS link in my signature too :)
 
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Jay or Chris do either of you have any more info on this:

Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Frequency License Type Tone Alpha Tag Description Mode Tag
159.12000 BM RCMPConc.Bay Conception Bay dispatch -- Conception Bay/St. John's

No such thing exists. RCMP are all on the edacs/analog.

Wondering if someone is ignoring the trunking and just adding an analog find from the edacs system.
 

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I think that's what they've done there. I'm on Targa duty right now so I didn't have time to stop in CBS on my way through (currently in Gander). After this week is over I'll have time to investigate stuff.
 
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If that's one of the EDACS system frequencies let me know, I'll purge it.


Without checking, I'm 99.99% certain 159.12 is the edacs trunk freq for the hawk hills site. The sites and frequencies change from time to time nd there's a bit of overlap so what is in the DB is a bit wonky.
 

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Found a "new" trunk today down in Marystown region. The TERRA NOVA FPSO (Floating Production Storage and Offloading vessel) is berthed in Cow Head right now and its Mot II trunk system is chugging away. Everything I've obtained except the talkgroups (which I'll look at before I submit) are in the DB now.
 
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Found a "new" trunk today down in Marystown region. The TERRA NOVA FPSO (Floating Production Storage and Offloading vessel) is berthed in Cow Head right now and its Mot II trunk system is chugging away. Everything I've obtained except the talkgroups (which I'll look at before I submit) are in the DB now.

Marystown?

Cow Head?

You talking about the burin or the west coast?

Good find though. Check my post in the p25 st. john's thread about the activity on that new p25? Really odd to have a system just for a police taxi service.
 

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Burin. Yeah, I saw the post you made in the P25 thread. I think the system may be a transportable one for installation in various places temporarily. I'm not sure why they are still shuttling people around St J's this week. We'll see what happens as time passes.
 
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Burin. Yeah, I saw the post you made in the P25 thread. I think the system may be a transportable one for installation in various places temporarily. I'm not sure why they are still shuttling people around St J's this week. We'll see what happens as time passes.

Seems this system is gone again now. Nothing on those frequencies.

other news: just finally heard voice comms on 420.2875, which I think is metrobus. Never ever heard them before though.
 

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Hey folks,

I found a ton of SCAT sites on the Avalon and Burin and submitted them. Now I'm elsewhere doing the P25 system, and I have a pretty good system set up to figure them out.

I will be submitting a lot in the next while including changes to some existing data. Please don't get offended if I request a change to something that's set up the way you are used to it - I'm just making a more appropriate definition. For example - the talkgroup identified as "Bay St Georges" is actually for everything from Stephenville to Port Aux Basques, for some reason.
 
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:) Looking forward to all of your updates.

The lack of any hint of p25 in town makes me believe RNC and thus RCMP on the Avalon will never be going p25. They've had the p7100 radios for over a year at least and it's been almost two years since p25 hit the towers stopping at Clarenville/Whitbourne.

Can't believe they're sticking with AEGIS Edacs.
 

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I heard RNC in Corner Brook still on conventional VHF in the clear, so I'd suggest they're not in on the P25 system at all.

I've "only" driven to Port Aux Basques with very little side-trips - that's planned for the trip back - and already I have a ton of info to add. I'm in PaB and the closest site I can find yet is Red Rocks (005-001). PRO96COM is helping nicely. There's another site somewhere nearby (004-001) according to neighbor data, but I ran out of day before I found it.

I have data for sites 4 (I'll just use the RFSS in this post, to make it easier), 5 (Red Rocks), 6 (St Andrews), 7 (Coal Brook), 8 and 9 (no idea where yet - only found neighbor data), 10 (Corner Brook), 11 (Deer Lake), 14 (Birchy Lake), 26 (see below), 30 (Springdale), 31 (Norris Arm I think), 32 (Appleton-Glenwood), 33 (Gander), 34 (Lewisporte), 35 (Carmanville), 36 (Musgrave Harbor), 37 (New-Wes-Valley), 38 (Terra Nova Park), 39 (Glovertown), 41 (Clarenville), 42 (not sure), 43 (maybe Harbor Breton), 44 (Stephenville), 45 (St Fintan's), 46 (Come by Chance), 48 (Eastport), 49 (Port Blandford), 50, 51.

Regarding 026-001 - I picked it up on my way up the Burin. It is really weird in that it is broadcasting six neighbors - three of which are site 026-001 as well! (36 is similar, advertising another 36 as its neighbor) I'm wondering if 26 is a "site" that actually has multiple sites along the 360 down the center of the province. I'm not sure if I'll have time to drive that route (it'd be nice if there was a ferry that took cars down in Harbor Breton), but if I do, I'll give it a shot.

Still assembling my data. Side trips on my way back around the province are in order, as well as a trip up the Northern Peninsula (I'm expecting that is probably where sites 15 thru 27 are). I'll try to post some of it as I get it dealt with.

For what it's worth, it appears the NAC for a site's channels is the hex value of that site. So if you have a P25 channel broadcasting 1F, that frequency belongs to site 31. (Note - this is not a standard practice for all P25 systems - just this one.)

I also found talkgroup 601 between Corner Brook and PaB. There were a number of units chattering on the channel, including Highway Patrol (if C cars are indeed HP here, and I think they would be). I heard a dispatcher ('97') at least once, doing a unit contact check. It didn't sound like a detachment channel (sounded more like they were doing a follow of a subject), but I could be wrong. Also worth mentioning is the fact that one of the members said at one point "Do you want to go back to the conventional channel?" when the comms were breaking up. That could mean a "conventional channel" in the same terms RR uses, i.e. a normal non-trunked frequency, or it could mean going back to the detachment talkgroup. Don't know yet.
 
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Yeah. Corner Brook RNC are still VHF, in the clear.

Are you sure Stephenville is on site 44, wouldn't make sense as sville is out by deer lake, cornerbrook.

I've seen tg 601 light up once or twice here in town, but nothing solid enough to pin down it's usage.

Good info on the rest of that stuff though. Looking forward to seeing the data you pull from the NorthPen.
 

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Yes, for some reason, 44 and 45 are down in the SW corner of the province.

I'm hanging around PaB today - I needed a break from driving. I'll get moving tomorrow on the north drive. Today I went along the south coast toward Rose Blanche and I found the site where 004-001 should be, but it's broadcasting dead air on its control channel frequency instead of a P25 trunk channel. I'm going to try to submit it anyway and see if the admins will take it.

No idea where site 3 is. I guess it could be in the villages further east from Rose Blanche accessible by ferry. Further to that, there's no indication that 1 and 2 even exist let alone are located down here. I had a thought this morning - Alberta's new radio system is having two mobile sites based on trailer-mounted satellite/radio tower configurations involved. I wonder if 1 and 2 might be something similar for NL.

Still working on my loads of HomePatrol logs. I parse them through a spreadsheet after I trim out some of the junk like date/time and errors, and get a half-decent decode out of it. I had some trouble with PRO96COM and my netbook this morning (not sure who was the culprit - both got some refreshments and updates before it started working again), so I have very little "new" data to work with, so I'll spend the time cleaning up the stuff from previous days. Found a couple more sites in adjacent data already, 52 to be specific and some mid-20s ones as well.
 

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I've just got my scanner setup pretty well. I'm getting the St. John's Regional Fire, Eastern Health, etc..

A lot of times I get loud static or some other noise, notice it a lot on SJRFD 3, but I do get voice properly on it sometimes. The rest of the channels seem OK.

Is there a setting I can change to fix this? Does anyone else have the problem?
 

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You're probably getting interference from other stuff in town like paging transmitters, etc.

Normally, you'd be able to combat this by setting a Continuous Tone Coded Squelch System (CTCSS) tone. Unfortunately I don't think SJRFD's channels have tones on them, so there's not much you can do.

You could try enabling "attenuator" on that channel (not sure what scanner you have - some allow attenuation on a per-channel basis, but some only allow it on the whole radio for every channel).
 

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And now to the P25 system - hello from St Anthony! Long drive today.

I got 8 and 9 on my way back up the TCH from Port Aux Basques. I forget if I mentioned last night but since both 3 and 8 have only 44 and 45 as neighbors, I'm figuring they are in between Stephenville and St Fintan's. I'm thinking 8 might be to the east, just as a stab in the dark, and 3 to the west near Cape St George.

I got 9 weakly coming in to Corner Brook.

I checked the Bonne Bay area on a hunch and found site 13. One of its neighbors was site 12, but I couldn't locate it.

As I suspected, sites 19 thru 25 are up the northern peninsula.

19 was strongest near Daniel's Harbour.
20 was strong at River of Ponds.
21 was ridiculously strong and covers the northern half of the peninsula about 100 km around St Barbe.
22 is supposed to be a neighbor of 25 but I haven't found it yet. Maybe up L'Anse Aux Meadows way? I might look there tomorrow.
23 is supposed to be a neighbor of 21/24/25 which makes me think it might be Main Brook. I'll be checking that tomorrow too.
24 is St Anthony.
25 is St Anthony Airport - 50km away from the town, it is far enough out to require its own site.

Only one talkgroup for the whole N.P. it seems - the already-known 548.

I'll be submitting the data later on.
 
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