SDS100/SDS200: Sds100 audio problems and solution

tadpole207

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Hello my unit in SDS100. I have to use a powered external speaker to listen to it since the loudness does not make it loud enough to hear.

I need a powered earpiece as well, to be able to increase the volume to the earpiece and not just an external speaker. Does anyone make a solution for this?

Is there a setting that I am missing? I can hear it when no speakers or earpiece when ambient sound allows it. I often need to take it mobile but need discretion. The earpiece I am using, since it’s using the radios power, even cranked up max, I can hardly hear it in busy surroundings.


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Use a stereo plug and use either left or right channel for a mono connection. Either the left or right have a limited frequency range and the other channel are full range but then requires more power from the scanner to produce as loud sounds as the other frequency limited channel.

As mentioned it seems that Uniden have done a mistake in the design and channels are out of phase to each other that might make it sound at a lesser volume when both channels are connected together. If you use a stereo earphone or headset you can easily check which earpeice that sounds the best.

You can buy a stereo extension cable with a 3,5mm plug at one end and a jack at the other and cut the cable and then connect the jacks left and right channels together and then use either left or right channel from the scanner, whatever sounds the best.

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It’s my understanding Uniden has “dummied down” the earphone jack volume deliberately as a way of protecting your hearing, their way of eliminating lawsuits for causing damaged hearing because the owner forgot to turn down the volume when using an earbud. Previous handhelds such as the BCD396 had a simple workaround. Since the earphone jack was using a different ground value than the rest of the radio to reduce max volume, a piece of jumper wire, flattened out and wrapped around the plug’s ground, allowing it to still make contact on the jack’s end and stay in place, with the other end attached to the antenna’s ground connection in the same manner (flatten it) negated the different volume levels and gave the earphone jack the same level of volume the internal speaker enjoyed. I believe they simply added a resistor (as a stopgap measure) but in later handhelds incorporated it into the design programming. If you are handy with working on the internal components of the scanner a jumper from the internal speaker to the earphone jack may override the reduction in volume at the jack but I have no conclusive knowledge this would work, or if it would damage the scanner. Proceed at your own risk. (Those with better knowledge can advise on how detrimental this idea may be-PLEASE post here if that is the case, as stated, it’s a question I can’t give firsthand knowledge on and with the price of a SDS100, NOT something I would attempt. I too have experienced this volume reduction and use an amplified speaker, powered by a lithium battery, all carried in a small bag with a shoulder strap. Of course this will probably void any warranty so proceed with caution.

The SDS100 always had a power consumption problem with the added power hungry components added to combat simulcast, and as such, the run time of the original smaller li-ion battery pack was replaced with a larger pack and other power saving features, I suspect one of which was to lower the max volume in the audio output section of the radio, trying to squeeze as much power out of the battery for a longer run time before a battery recharge was necessary.
 

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It’s my understanding Uniden has “dummied down” the earphone jack volume deliberately as a way of protecting your hearing,
Not on the SDS100 as I can use a 2 ohm speaker connected to its earphone jack.
lower the max volume in the audio output section of the radio, trying to squeeze as much power out of the battery for a longer run time before a battery recharge was necessary.
The audio amplifier are not any big power hog compared to the SDR receiver chip. I think it was a 50mA difference between no volume and full volume with squelch open listening to noise and the scanner then takes a total of 750mA.

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Both your earpiece and speaker have mono plugs. The SDS100 has a stereo jack, but the channels are out of phase, thus they cancel each other out on a mono set.
So I contacted Uniden, they said it's mono. I have read everywhere else online basically the same exact thing that you said so I've tried non-powered speakers.

I purchased this unit in speaker that's powered for the truck : https://a.co/d/cTpGRCl

I'm wondering if there's 20 W that's nonpowered might work: https://a.co/d/fc1VBj8

And I purchased an armature headset, which I hope since it has a small battery in it will power it

Should I try the nonpowered 20 W speaker for $34 or should I just keep the powered $64 one when I get it?
 

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So I contacted Uniden, they said it's mono. I have read everywhere else online basically the same exact thing that you said so I've tried non-powered speakers.

I purchased this unit in speaker that's powered for the truck : Amazon.com: Uniden (BC23A) Bearcat 15-Watt Amplified External Communications Speaker. Durable Rugged Design, Perfect for Amplifying Uniden Scanners, CB Radios, and Other Communications Receivers. , Black : Electronics

I'm wondering if there's 20 W that's nonpowered might work: https://a.co/d/fc1VBj8

And I purchased an armature headset, which I hope since it has a small battery in it will power it

Should I try the nonpowered 20 W speaker for $34 or should I just keep the powered $64 one when I get it?
Try both
 

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I used the BC23A powered speaker from Uniden with my SDS100 for several years in a 2003 Peterbilt before I retired. It plugs into the earphone port on top of the radio. It was what Uniden said that I should use in order to avoid damaging the output of the radio. I found it to be plenty loud in the noisy truck. No problem hearing it at all. I never bothered using an earphone with the radio.
James
 

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Years ago (I have to check); I posted how I added an extra jack fastened to the bnc connector with a wire tie. I drilled a small hole below the func/menu buttons for a piece of speaker wire that was soldered to the inside speaker prongs to come out and ran the wire alongside the radio to the 3.5mm jack. I can use my lapel speaker or any other speaker and get full volume out without messing with powered speakers. The internal jack can still be used with an earpiece for discrete listening and the bottom speaker will be muted.
I used some hot glue to keep the speaker wire in place at several intervals alongside the scanner.
 

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i know my post sounded a little strange, but i was informed that if i used the wrong type of connector for the radio i was going to fry the board. I didnt want to take a chance on that because this thing is already so touchy....

earpiece with armature speaker works. havent received the external speaker yet.
 

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i know my post sounded a little strange, but i was informed that if i used the wrong type of connector for the radio i was going to fry the board. I didnt want to take a chance on that because this thing is already so touchy....

earpiece with armature speaker works. havent received the external speaker yet.

Always use a stereo plug into the scanner's headphone jack. The headphone jack on the scanner is definitely a stereo jack, but the same audio output is sent to both channels of the stereo jack (probably what Uniden meant by mono). If your headphones or speaker has a mono plug, use a stereo to mono adaptor before connecting them to the scanner.

These quotes are from the late Uniden Product Manager (UPMan).

Headphone jacks are stereo on all our scanners. EXT SP jacks are mono.

I'll add for others who happen onto this thread that it is important that you not plug a mono plug into the jack, as it would short out 1/2 of the headphone circuit. Also, the headphone can only drive headphones or low-level inputs (like the line-in on your car). It cannot drive an external speaker unless it is an amplified speaker.
 

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That speaker amplifier in the scanner are both temperature and current limited so are impossible to fry. And it needs to be as if you use a mono plug you will shorten one channel to ground.

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thanks everyone. Is this earpiece o to use without adapter?

Audio
Impedance32 Ohm
Noise ControlSound Isolation
Frequency Range20 Hz to 20,000 Hz
Audio Driver TypeBalanced Armature Driver


Also, where would a good place to start learning about sound connectivity with digital devices? I'd like to understand the science of why and how simple things like stereo feeds through mono channels can fry components.
 
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thanks everyone. Is this earpiece o to use without adapter?

Audio
Impedance32 Ohm
Noise ControlSound Isolation
Frequency Range20 Hz to 20,000 Hz
Audio Driver TypeBalanced Armature Driver


Also, where would a good place to start learning about sound connectivity with digital devices? I'd like to understand the science of why and how simple things like stereo feeds through mono channels can fry components.

The earpiece you linked to shows a mono plug (a tip contact and 1 ring contact)...

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you would need a stereo to mono adaptor to use that with your scanner's headphone jack.

This is a stereo plug (a tip contact and 2 ring contacts)

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one other quick question: would using a bluetooth adapter on the scanner work to just use the car speakers?
 
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