Somerset County 700 P25 Expansion and Changes

[lynchy135]

You can ignore that, Unitrunker doesn't seem to be working too well. Sorry for the stir up.

 

[rr60]

This thread was started in August 2020. A new March 15, 2022 FCC filing adds many more reasons for delays utilizing the 700/800 frequencies allocated to Somerset County.

It appears after reading this, Fire and EMS relegated to 500 MHZ only will have the pleasure of another Tropo season w DTV television repacked stations on TVCH19.

500 TRS airtime capacity issues remain during major incidents or weather events with radio messages and emails “return to your legacy systems”.

Rumor is Middlesex is headed to the 500 TRS shortly in addition to existing Dunellen.

Way to go Morris.

https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsEntry/attachments/attachmentViewRD.jsp;ATTACHMENTS=wwvzvBpJ1vkz2Dx50n5v2vS3FHvLdfBrz5BCxpF23FcGJDZpkm3z!521828792!-90166965?applType=search&fileKey=2045474092&attachmentKey=21442587&attachmentInd=applAttach

 

[richee2000]

This thread was started in August 2020. A new March 15, 2022 FCC filing adds many more reasons for delays utilizing the 700/800 frequencies allocated to Somerset County.

It appears after reading this, Fire and EMS relegated to 500 MHZ only will have the pleasure of another Tropo season w DTV television repacked stations on TVCH19.

500 TRS airtime capacity issues remain during major incidents or weather events with radio messages and emails “return to your legacy systems”.

Rumor is Middlesex is headed to the 500 TRS shortly in addition to existing Dunellen.

Way to go Morris.

https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsEntry/attachments/attachmentViewRD.jsp;ATTACHMENTS=wwvzvBpJ1vkz2Dx50n5v2vS3FHvLdfBrz5BCxpF23FcGJDZpkm3z!521828792!-90166965?applType=search&fileKey=2045474092&attachmentKey=21442587&attachmentInd=applAttach

Interesting. I thought Middlesex County P25 had a site in Middlesex Boro, and signal was 100% in buildings. Middlesex PD is Full Time E . Wonder what will happen if they move to Somerst P25

 

[mdsxfire]

This thread was started in August 2020. A new March 15, 2022 FCC filing adds many more reasons for delays utilizing the 700/800 frequencies allocated to Somerset County.

It appears after reading this, Fire and EMS relegated to 500 MHZ only will have the pleasure of another Tropo season w DTV television repacked stations on TVCH19.

500 TRS airtime capacity issues remain during major incidents or weather events with radio messages and emails “return to your legacy systems”.

Rumor is Middlesex is headed to the 500 TRS shortly in addition to existing Dunellen.

Way to go Morris.

https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsEntry/attachments/attachmentViewRD.jsp;ATTACHMENTS=wwvzvBpJ1vkz2Dx50n5v2vS3FHvLdfBrz5BCxpF23FcGJDZpkm3z!521828792!-90166965?applType=search&fileKey=2045474092&attachmentKey=21442587&attachmentInd=applAttach

Not “technically” going to the 500 TRS since 95% of our radios are 700/800 only, details are still far from confirmed and i would guess at least 6-12 months before this becomes a reality. There are multiple concerns all around that are being worked out and nothing is officially official so mum is the word for now, besides what the usual rumor mill pumps out

 

[mdsxfire]

Interesting. I thought Middlesex County P25 had a site in Middlesex Boro, and signal was 100% in buildings. Middlesex PD is Full Time E . Wonder what will happen if they move to Somerst P25

yes there is a county P25 site almost smack middle of town and have not had any dead spots so far in 3 years in my usage. PD radios are %100 700/800 only so i don’t believe they are going to the 500TRS either, as for whatever “workarounds” are used not sure how they would handle the “E” since none of the somerset PD dispatches are “E”

 

[rr60]

Not “technically” going to the 500 TRS since 95% of our radios are 700/800 only, details are still far from confirmed and i would guess at least 6-12 months before this becomes a reality. There are multiple concerns all around that are being worked out and nothing is officially official so mum is the word for now, besides what the usual rumor mill

Automatic aid on all fire calls is increasing in some areas. This is driving some Middlesex County municipalities onto the Somerset TRS. Middlesex Borough is in the mix.
If not directly on the system, perhaps a interop TG or patch is being worked on.

On “multiple concerns”. Once 700/800 frequencies are deployed, will the entire Somerset 500 MHZ Cell be maintained or turned off? Timeframe? Will sites that have only 500MHZ, like Rock Ave Greenbrook then carry 700/800? @mdsxfire BOLO

 

[mdsxfire]

Automatic aid on all fire calls is increasing in some areas. This is driving some Middlesex County municipalities onto the Somerset TRS. Middlesex Borough is in the mix.
If not directly on the system, perhaps a interop TG or patch is being worked on.

On “multiple concerns”. Once 700/800 frequencies are deployed, will the entire Somerset 500 MHZ Cell be maintained or turned off? Timeframe? Will sites that have only 500MHZ, like Rock Ave Greenbrook then carry 700/800? @mdsxfire BOLO

u are getting much warmer lol
as for the future of somersets 500 i don’t know seems like they are going to use every bit of the next 3 years to get the 700 fully built out
they could sub out the 500 system to the towns DPW/schools and other non priority/first responder agencies since the system is so established
slightly off but on topic i heard a small rumor dunellen may switch to the middlesex county system and see how somerset could work it out or look to change dispatch…..again

 

[railtrailbiker]

u are getting much warmer lol
as for the future of somersets 500 i don’t know seems like they are going to use every bit of the next 3 years to get the 700 fully built out
they could sub out the 500 system to the towns DPW/schools and other non priority/first responder agencies since the system is so established
slightly off but on topic i heard a small rumor dunellen may switch to the middlesex county system and see how somerset could work it out or look to change dispatch…..again

Bergen County reportedly has a plan to add all new/migrate all existing public safety users to their 700 MHz trunked system, and retain the T-Band trunked system for use by county and municipal departments not public safety related.

 

[mdsxfire]

Bergen County reportedly has a plan to add all new/migrate all existing public safety users to their 700 MHz trunked system, and retain the T-Band trunked system for use by county and municipal departments not public safety related.

i would think that’s good use of their system as well, it’s already established and working except for the TV19 days, but most of the time those depts get a countywide+ system they can use

 

[rr60]

This weeks (9/11/23) annual FCC notice. Reporting 5 new 700 channels on the air by 2023 and new sites by 2025. Incredible 10 years has passed since the first 700 MHZ rollout. The label maker must be getting warmed up. We will we then see the Fire/EMS transition begin?

https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsEntry/attachments/attachmentViewRD.jsp;ATTACHMENTS=1zKOOlppIDbh05gxxctjByDuJ4VaZKwTrkfG2OtJ1dBO__ksnrEg!-415575850!-1507790802?applType=search&fileKey=725539238&attachmentKey=21836934&attachmentInd=applAttach

 

[rr60]

I am seeing changes.

Police have been on Site 4 (700) only and Fire EMS Site 3 (500) only.

Of course this denies best coverage availability (at times) but was done for
a variety of reasons, the most common being talk path availability. When
a TG uses both 3/4 this obviously uses more resources.

No longer! I have been seeing Montgomery and North Plainfield PD and Sheriff register on Site 3 and appear simultaneously on both sites. Something new, something old.

Intentional or unintentional?

 

[richee2000]

I am seeing changes.

Police have been on Site 4 (700) only and Fire EMS Site 3 (500) only.

Of course this denies best coverage availability (at times) but was done for
a variety of reasons, the most common being talk path availability. When
a TG uses both 3/4 this obviously uses more resources.

No longer! I have been seeing Montgomery and North Plainfield PD and Sheriff register on Site 3 and appear simultaneously on both sites. Something new, something old.

Intentional or unintentional?

capacity issues? reception issues? hmmmmm

 

[rr60]

It is all a secret, including new radio shop encrypted TG’s. Updates to follow.

 

[FT752]

There was an announcement about cutover that occurred via the announcement groups. Unknown what that entailed beyond the LE traffic passing over Site 3.

 

[richee2000]

There was an announcement about cutover that occurred via the announcement groups. Unknown what that entailed beyond the LE traffic passing over Site 3.

Interesting

 

[rr60]

I have been able to make a list. Going to do one update on the appropriate thread, Site 4 Channel expansion. It has begun, along with other housekeeping items.
Waiting for the end of the day.

 

[rr60]

Police are corralled back in Site 4 sandbox and Fire/EMS back on Site 3. They are separated again. I believe what occurred was a system update. This likely defaulted to factory setting and then was corrected. Updating other thread.

 

[rr60]

Looks like we are getting closer. A system update occurred along with quite a few house keeping items including a site trunking test.

No new channels quite yet but 772.23125 previously FDMA ACC had TDMA slots added. The new set up has these as preferred first in use.

Seeing new TG’s all radio shop UID related for now and encrypted. My guess as follows. TG 3731,3737 Motorola UID 1899xxx REMU Motorola Somerset InterOp.

TG 3801,3802,3803,3804 Encrypted REMU ID’s only, for now.

Side note: Site 3 long standing CC was moved off DTV plagued 500.8875 finally.
The CC now is 476.0625, we shall see if it rolls. I see far fewer TV15 stations during band openings since the repack than TV19.

Hearing that some older subscribers are not working. Likely don’t have 476.0625 in the programming as CC. BOLO.

 

[GTR8000]

I don't think we need two concurrent threads discussion the changes related to the same system, so I've asked the mods to merge this thread into your existing and still active other Somerset thread.

 

[ion_op]

Recently, the 700Mhz control channels are weaker on my 325p2 here in Green Brook. Did this recent update have anything to do with it? The scanner is now often trying to find a control channel.